AMD fanboys,time to admit.

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001
Why do fanboys exist? AMD and Intel are just capitalist organizations trying to make a buck off of anybody they can. I don't see why one would have hardcore allegiance to either. Whoever offers the best value gets my business.

Exactly..none of these companies give a shite about any of us personally....If they could screw us in price they would...We benefit by having both of these companies driving each other to be better while lowerig prices...

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: fliguy84
Ok, ok we know Conroe beats Athlon's panties off. So can these kinds of threads stop?

Heh, oh you know it's time for Intel fanboy revenge now and they need to keep rubbing Conroe into all the AMD fanboy's face considering how long they have been forced to live with being behind AMD in gaming. It's time to let off major steam no surprise there.

Fine, then we should make a single "Intel finally tops AMD for games--fanbois let off steam here!!" thread and let everyone post there. It would be a heck of a lot easier and a heck of a lot less annoying than having to disregard all the Conroe threads when you're looking for other info.

Doens't work if AMD fanboys don't enter the thread.

 

[JC]

Originally posted by: eoniverse
Yup. Conroe is King.

For now.

So how long did it finally take this time for Intel to pass tiny (relatively) AMD?

I choose to support AMD because if there was no AMD:

1. Conroe would cost $3000.00
2. Intel would not have develped Conroe for another 10 years.
3. Every Intel cpu revision would have a new socket and require a new MB purchase.
4. Intel would have only released the P3 800mhz by now.
5. And the P3 800mhz would only cost $2000.00

Hopefully AMD will have an answer. I can easily wait a year with my 3800x2. I'll decide what to do then.

^ Truer words.


Don't forget, Intel fans, to congratulate AMD for forcing Intel to get off their complacent asses and make processors like Conroe and Woodcrest. You can bet your bottom dollar that Intel would still be doling out a couple speed bumps a year, charging whatever they feel like, and still telling us how much kind of processors we should have.

Perhaps the younger folks here don't remember when a Pentium 133 cost over $500....and the P2-300 was introduced at $1980 :shocked: Partially due to the competition from AMD, Intel's prices are much more competitive now.

 

[theeedude]

The damage (to Intel) is done. AMD opened a lot of doors with Athlon 64, while Intel was in NetBurst land, and if it wasn't for Intel's Israel team, they would still be there.
The point is that Intel now has to compete with AMD at a lot of businesses that were Intel only before Athlon 64. And yes, Conroe is going to give Intel the performance lead for the next year or two, so AMD will have less pricing power. But it did take full advantage of Intel's strategic mistakes up till now, both in terms of P4 design, but even more importantly, Itanium. It effectively destroyed Intel's hopes for a project it invested many billions in.

 

[imported_segagenesis]

Don't forget, Intel fans, to congratulate AMD for forcing Intel to get off their complacent asses and make processors like Conroe and Woodcrest. You can bet your bottom dollar that Intel would still be doling out a couple speed bumps a year, charging whatever they feel like, and still telling us how much kind of processors we should have.

Perhaps the younger folks here don't remember when a Pentium 133 cost over $500....and the P2-300 was introduced at $1980 Partially due to the competition from AMD, Intel's prices are much more competitive now.

I third this. I guess it gets buried in my DailyTech posts when I mention this but I do remember when the 386 and 486 was at least $1000 just for the CPU, it was only after AMD released the Am386-DX40 as a result of its lawsuit with Intel did Intel's prices drop, and they dropped dramatically. eoniverse made a good point with the delay between releases also because I also remember at one time it was a year and a half between new Intel processor releases or changes. I'm talking about just a minor mhz bump, not the time between 386 and the 486.

Granted the times of when you had Texas Instruments, IBM, Cyrix in additon to AMD trying to get a piece of the market times were confusing... but still never ever hope that Intel becomes the only choice for desktop processor.

I would consider myself to be an AMD fanboy at home since most of the stuff I've bought over the past 5 years has been AMD but at the same time the company I work for I do the purchase orders for new computers coming in... my corporate side is pure Intel. Thats hundereds of Intel boxes too.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001
Why do fanboys exist? AMD and Intel are just capitalist organizations trying to make a buck off of anybody they can. I don't see why one would have hardcore allegiance to either. Whoever offers the best value gets my business.

Exactly..none of these companies give a shite about any of us personally....If they could screw us in price they would...We benefit by having both of these companies driving each other to be better while lowerig prices...

Exactly. People who post threads like this obviously haven't grown up. If Intel was a monopoly, we'd still have $750 motherboards and $1000 POS CPUs. I remember paying $750 for an Intel mobo and the same again for an Intel 386-33 - this was just before AMD started cloning their chips.

 

[mhahnheuser]

Just because A64 isn't the quickest at all things today, doesn't make it a bad proc. The poor old neburst got its fair share of bad press and had Intel a little hot under the collar. Great to see we have a much more robust compeditor for the A64, 'cause I don't ever want to have to pay such a premium to get hold of a top of the line proc again. My biggest hope for Conroe is that a BIOS update might let it run on some older 1066 FSB mobo's and if it can do that i'll kiss Intel's a......?

 

[dandragonrage]

Originally posted by: acegazda
when Athlon came out (1999), everyone was saying "switch to AMD!"

fixed

I remember really anticipating the original Athlon back when I had a K6-2. The K6-2 was pretty crappy as I was into video encoding even back then, and a P3 killer was in the works. Sweet.

C2D will be the first Intel I've owned since the original Pentium, and IMO the first time Intel has really won since the Athlon came out. (I consider the Northwood about equal to the AMDs of the time, no clear winner)

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: dandragonrage

Originally posted by: acegazda
when Athlon came out (1999), everyone was saying "switch to AMD!"

fixed

I remember really anticipating the original Athlon back when I had a K6-2. The K6-2 was pretty crappy as I was into video encoding even back then, and a P3 killer was in the works. Sweet.

C2D will be the first Intel I've owned since the original Pentium, and IMO the first time Intel has really won since the Athlon came out. (I consider the Northwood about equal to the AMDs of the time, no clear winner)

That's not accurate the Northwood C 3.0GHZ revision beat out the Athlon XP 3200+, then the 3.2GHZ beat it even more.

 

[dandragonrage]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
That's not accurate the Northwood C 3.0GHZ revision beat out the Athlon XP 3200+, then the 3.2GHZ beat it even more.

Not enough to overcome the power/temp disadvantages of Netburst.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: dandragonrage

Originally posted by: coldpower27
That's not accurate the Northwood C 3.0GHZ revision beat out the Athlon XP 3200+, then the 3.2GHZ beat it even more.

Not enough to overcome the power/temp disadvantages of Netburst.

Northwood C weren't exactly that hot, they were decent given their performance level. it's Prescott that mainly had thermal issues.

 

[TrECeNTeRs]

You all are really dumb for giving a crap.. why do you idiots pay all the money over and over soon as new hardware is out... It reminds me of the dummies that lease a car.

Look how much money you would have had put up if you didnt buy all the new parts every time they come out. Probably enough to help put ure kids through college for some of you. Sure if you are rich do it cause you might as well you don't have anything else to look forward to.

For thoes that do it and probably can't keep food on the table half the time then I feel sorry for whoever depends on you.



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Also... All pentium and AMD do is swap places here and there. You actually think theres a steady rate of extra GHZ and GB's being discovered?????

You are foolish... They inch parts up inch by inch and squeese every dollor out of all of you consumers that can't wait for price drops and have to keep the best.

If you were not around AMD and Intel would be selling 200Ghz 40ghzFSB PC's with 400GB Ram Hard drives not needed...

For probably $700

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: TrECeNTeRs
You all are really dumb for giving a crap.. why do you idiots pay all the money over and over soon as new hardware is out... It reminds me of the dummies that lease a car.

Look how much money you would have had put up if you didnt buy all the new parts every time they come out. Probably enough to help put ure kids through college for some of you. Sure if you are rich do it cause you might as well you don't have anything else to look forward to.

For thoes that do it and probably can't keep food on the table half the time then I feel sorry for whoever depends on you.



EDIT


Also... All pentium and AMD do is swap places here and there. You actually think theres a steady rate of extra GHZ and GB's being discovered?????

You are foolish... They inch parts up inch by inch and squeese every dollor out of all of you consumers that can't wait for price drops and have to keep the best.

If you were not around AMD and Intel would be selling 200Ghz 40ghzFSB PC's with 400GB Ram Hard drives not needed...

For probably $700

LOL.

EDIT:
If these people weren't here you'd probably be playing games on a Pentium 2 with 2 GB hardrives and a Geforce 2. and paying 3000$ for it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TrECeNTeRs
You all are really dumb for giving a crap.. why do you idiots pay all the money over and over soon as new hardware is out... It reminds me of the dummies that lease a car.

Look how much money you would have had put up if you didnt buy all the new parts every time they come out. Probably enough to help put ure kids through college for some of you. Sure if you are rich do it cause you might as well you don't have anything else to look forward to.

For thoes that do it and probably can't keep food on the table half the time then I feel sorry for whoever depends on you.



EDIT


Also... All pentium and AMD do is swap places here and there. You actually think theres a steady rate of extra GHZ and GB's being discovered?????

You are foolish... They inch parts up inch by inch and squeese every dollor out of all of you consumers that can't wait for price drops and have to keep the best.

If you were not around AMD and Intel would be selling 200Ghz 40ghzFSB PC's with 400GB Ram Hard drives not needed...

You sound like you speak from experience. Having trouble keeping food on the table? And envious of those who do not have trouble doing this? Why don't you keep to your own affairs and the rest of us will share ours.

BTW, there are pros and cons to auto leasing instead of buying. I myself always buy because it fits me better. Others, yes there are other people out there different from you and me, feel a lease would better suit there lifestyle or financial situation. There are other entities on this earth besides you.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: dandragonrage

Originally posted by: coldpower27
That's not accurate the Northwood C 3.0GHZ revision beat out the Athlon XP 3200+, then the 3.2GHZ beat it even more.

Not enough to overcome the power/temp disadvantages of Netburst.

Northwood C weren't exactly that hot, they were decent given their performance level. it's Prescott that mainly had thermal issues.

In between the Pentium 3 Coppermine/Tualitan and Conroe, the Pentium 4 Northy's were very nice CPU's. I should have stayed with my Northy, but sold it to my friend on a whim to get a 1MB prescott. It ran just as good, but a bit warmer.

 

[TrECeNTeRs]

Lol @ keysplayr2003

Not selfish just making the point of all of the dumb people fussing over who makes a better cpu when you all are getting played for you're money. How you all don't realise how easy they make newer and faster stuff soon as they topped thier projected report of the number of sales to the dummys. I added a few extras to just name a few things to point out what the habbit buyen this high priced stuff can cause. If you argue about the minor stuff I said then its just you tryen to figure out a way to make me wrong on the main subject at hand.

 

[Regs]

Well I said it before and I said it again. AMD's goal was not to delivery the performance crown but to grow as a whole. If AMD would of used all available resources on a new architecture they would of went bankrupt at their rate. At least this is what I was told by a little birdie. If AMD didn't have the facilities to pump more processors into the market they would of been hurting with or without the performance crown. Like others have said though, the damage was all ready done. AMD will need to capitalize though in the upcoming years.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: TrECeNTeRs
You all are really dumb for giving a crap.. why do you idiots pay all the money over and over soon as new hardware is out... It reminds me of the dummies that lease a car.

Look how much money you would have had put up if you didnt buy all the new parts every time they come out. Probably enough to help put ure kids through college for some of you. Sure if you are rich do it cause you might as well you don't have anything else to look forward to.

For thoes that do it and probably can't keep food on the table half the time then I feel sorry for whoever depends on you.

For probably $700

LOL, I'm in college and I'm piss broke, but I have no trouble updating my computer to the latest stuff when it's released, AND keep food on the table. It's not hard. When you find the best deals out there for your hardware, and upgrade as often as I do, your resale value barely budges, and sometimes I even profit off my old parts I sell to fund these upgrades. Sometimes my upgrades are practically free. So I guess I'm an idiot then.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TrECeNTeRs
Lol @ keysplayr2003

Not selfish just making the point of all of the dumb people fussing over who makes a better cpu when you all are getting played for you're money. How you all don't realise how easy they make newer and faster stuff soon as they topped thier projected report of the number of sales to the dummys. I added a few extras to just name a few things to point out what the habbit buyen this high priced stuff can cause. If you argue about the minor stuff I said then its just you tryen to figure out a way to make me wrong on the main subject at hand.

Laugh if you feel the need, but you are the one looking a bit foolish here, thinking you can call everyone dumb because they constantly upgrade. Mind your business. By your logic, if someone is rich, they have nothing else to look forward to. That's some revolutionary thinking there compadre.

 

[carlosd]

Yes , everyone have to admit that conroe is King. Great CPU. But you have to remember that AMD competition is extremely important. The excelent new conroe was designed to beat the excelent 3 years old K8 CPUs which ruled for the last three years. If there were no AMD, we would be forced to buy 500USD intel crappy CPUs, and most of all would have crappy celerons (would celeron exist?). Now AMD have to beat conroe with another chip and then intel will have to beat AMD again...and will continue like that forever...this time is intel turn.... Now we can finally say that the crappiest CPUs ever (the netburst based) are officially dead.

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001
Why do fanboys exist? AMD and Intel are just capitalist organizations trying to make a buck off of anybody they can. I don't see why one would have hardcore allegiance to either. Whoever offers the best value gets my business.

Weak minds need something they can worship.

 

[eoniverse]

Weak minds need something they can worship.

Agreed. I would guess there are a lot of fanboys that put their self worth into the type of PC they have and when it's no longer the 'king' (in their mind) then they're no longer on top.

Conroe is a great chip. About time.

But the time for me when upgrading to save 25% of the 25 minutes it takes me to convert 1 hour mpeg to wmv is not the same as when it used to take several hours to convert and 25% then was a lot more meaningful.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: eoniverse
But the time for me when upgrading to save 25% of the 25 minutes it takes me to convert 1 hour mpeg to wmv is not the same as when it used to take several hours to convert and 25% then was a lot more meaningful.

Wait till you get on the HDV camcorder bandwagon!

 

[erikistired]

powerpc rules all.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: wolfman11
but also stating ancilary things like how poorly certain games load, stuttering, etc that represent the immaturity of the platform overall.

that's quite interesting