AMD Freesync Monitors & Reviews Thread

[Gikaseixas]

Ofcourse its nothing to do with Freesync

So why post it here at all? It's not related to Freesync, create another thread.

 

[dacostafilipe]

Ofcourse its nothing to do with Freesync. But when you compare prices, for example to the swift. You also expect the same display quality.

It's a setting you can change on the display.

Please inform yourself.

 

[Grooveriding]

Hopefully nvidia smartens up and supports this. The current list of gsync monitors is sparse and they all use garbage panels. Providing support to adaptive sync, which we know works with nvidia as seen on the leaked driver that allowed gsync to work without the module , will really open up the selection of screens you can go with.

Right now it's the crappy swift and a couple other terrible TN screens in gsync land and that is it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It's a setting you can change on the display.

Please inform yourself.

The monitors are tested in default mode. If its fixable on the LG and BenQ, then please show it. Rather than your arrogant comment.

There is nothing in the review saying it can easily be fixed.

So why post it here at all? It's not related to Freesync, create another thread.

Because people compare the 2 prices with one another. And conclude from that what is cheaper. If thats the case, the 2 should also be similar quality.

 

[Phynaz]

Seems the penalty is substantial if you cant handle the minimum FPS range.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Displa...chnical-Discussion/Gaming-Experience-FreeSync-

They really need to get down to 20-30hz.

Monitor issue, not a Freesync issue.

 

[xthetenth]

I can't wait till LG comes out with a 3440x1440 freesync ultrawide. I think that's going to be my home monitor for a long time. I'm happy to see the premium already seems small.

 

[sontin]

AMD admitted that there is a problem:

For its part, AMD says that ghosting is an issue it is hoping to lessen on FreeSync monitors by helping partners pick the right components (Tcon, scalars, etc.) and to drive a “fast evolution” in this area.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Displa...hnical-Discussion/Gaming-Experience-FreeSync-

 

[xthetenth]

Does that mean there's a problem with FreeSync or that there's a problem with some part selections and they're going to work with partners to keep that from happening? It could be read either way.

 

[dacostafilipe]

The monitors are tested in default mode.

The BenQ has the more aggressive overdrive option disabled per default. You can't read this in the review, but in the multiple owner thread that already exist around the web.

You should try to read into technology and less blindly trusting reviews.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Seems the penalty is substantial if you cant handle the minimum FPS range.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Displa...chnical-Discussion/Gaming-Experience-FreeSync-

They really need to get down to 20-30hz.

ouch

what happened to the 9-240Hz range?

I know the ultra wide LGs are being reported with a range of 48-75, but the standard 1440p options say 40-144

I thought G-Sync's 30Hz minimum was pretty bad

Hopefully nvidia smartens up and supports this. The current list of gsync monitors is sparse and they all use garbage panels. Providing support to adaptive sync, which we know works with nvidia as seen on the leaked driver that allowed gsync to work without the module , will really open up the selection of screens you can go with.

Right now it's the crappy swift and a couple other terrible TN screens in gsync land and that is it.

until we can get our hands on the Acer, the Swift has the best panel on the market for motion clarity

just because you're too slow to benefit from it doesn't mean there aren't others who aren't

 

[ShintaiDK]

The BenQ has the more aggressive overdrive option disabled per default. You can't read this in the review, but in the multiple owner thread that already exist around the web.

You should try to read into technology and less blindly trusting reviews.

So AMDs comment on the issue is a lie? Or is it just you being better knowing?

It’s impossible now to know if that is the cause for the difference seen above. But with the ROG Swift and BenQ XL2730Z sharing the same 144 Hz TN panel specifications, there is obviously something different about the integration. It could be panel technology, it could be VRR technology or it could be settings in the monitor itself. We will be diving more into the issue as we spend more time with different FreeSync models.
For its part, AMD says that ghosting is an issue it is hoping to lessen on FreeSync monitors by helping partners pick the right components (Tcon, scalars, etc.) and to drive a “fast evolution” in this area.

 

[Subyman]

Does that mean there's a problem with FreeSync or that there's a problem with some part selections and they're going to work with partners to keep that from happening? It could be read either way.

From the wording it seems a parts selection, not FreeSync. I'm wondering if nvidia had stricter regulations on what the manufacturers could include with a gsync labeled monitor. Curious to see more reviews.

 

[wand3r3r]

So AMDs comment on the issue is a lie? Or is it just you being better knowing?

Are you reading the words? It's a problem with hardware selection, not freesync itself.

 

[Despoiler]

AMD admitted that there is a problem:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Displa...hnical-Discussion/Gaming-Experience-FreeSync-

Yes and if you read two paragraphs above you'd know that it's not AMD's F-Sync implementation nor A-Sync that is the issue. The TCON will get a firmware update to fix the issue.

The question now is: why is this happening and does it have anything to do with G-Sync or FreeSync? NVIDIA has stated on a few occasions that there is more that goes into a VRR monitor than simply integrated vBlank extensions and have pointed to instances like this as an example as to why. Modern monitors are often tuned to a specific refresh rate – 144 Hz, 120 Hz, 60 Hz, etc. – and the power delivery to pixels is built to reduce ghosting and image defects. But in a situation where the refresh rate can literally be ANY rate, as we get with VRR displays, the LCD will very often be in these non-tuned refresh rates. NVIDIA claims its G-Sync module is tuned for each display to prevent ghosting by change the amount of voltage going to pixels at different refresh rates, allowing pixels to untwist and retwist at different rates.

 

[ShintaiDK]

ouch

what happened to the 9-240Hz range?

I know the ultra wide LGs are being reported with a range of 48-75, but the standard 1440p options say 40-144

I thought G-Sync's 30Hz minimum was pretty bad

Marketing happend. 24(or lower) should really be the minimum. 30fps was bleh. 40 is uff! And 48 is just plain bad.

The entire point of the 2 technologies is to allow the FPS dips. But if for example 48FPS is your minimum before everything goes to hell. Then I wouldnt buy it. You be better of with a regular monitor.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Are you reading the words? It's a problem with hardware selection, not freesync itself.

Nobody claimed it was an issue with Freesync.

But if you buy a BenQ XL2730Z and think you get the same as a Swift, just with Freesync for a lower price. Then you are wrong.

 

[Stuka87]

So AMDs comment on the issue is a lie? Or is it just you being better knowing?

Freesync = software

AMD is specifically referring to HARDWARE. Read the text you put in bold. It is extremely clear theya re referencing hardware. This is up to the display maker and is out of the hands of AMD.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

They really need to get down to 20-30hz.

Scratch that, the BenQ is 40hz minimum.

Not sure if there's any point in going below 30hz. Even with freesync/gsync, one should rather look towards lowering the IQ to get the frame rate above 30 before being concerned with ghosting.

Edit: I guess there's a case to be made for potential dips in framerate. That's the point where going as low as sub 20hz would make sense.

 

[Grooveriding]

just because you're too slow to benefit from it doesn't mean there aren't others who aren't

Haha, you're always so touchy about this screen. I remember another thread where you were up in arms over remarks on its poor quality. It's just a bad TN like they all are.

Fortunately we have freesync and IPS options. I would guess the same screens should find their way into a few gsync panels as well. No reason they won't work with gsync as we've learned that gsync doesn't even require the module to function and was just a way to squeeze a couple hundred out of everyone who bought a gsync screen.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I believe the BenQ XL2730Z goes down to 30hz.

Not sure if there's any point in going below 30hz. Even with freesync/gsync, one should rather look towards lowering the IQ to get the frame rate above 30 before being concerned with ghosting.

Edit: I guess there's a case to be made for potential dips in framerate. That's the point where going as low as sub 20hz would make sense.

Its listed as 40 for the BenQ.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9097/the-amd-freesync-review/2

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Its listed as 40 for the BenQ.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9097/the-amd-freesync-review/2

Yeah, sorry, I was going by second hand info.

 

[Dribble]

From the wording it seems a parts selection, not FreeSync. I'm wondering if nvidia had stricter regulations on what the manufacturers could include with a gsync labeled monitor. Curious to see more reviews.

I suspect it's because all the 144hz gsync monitors are 3d vision monitors which have very strict ghosting requirements for 3d to work well.

I suppose that puts a restriction on nvidia - by just implementing freesync they might loose 3d vision as all those 144hz monitors might not be spec'ed well enough to support that. Nvidia might want to keep the quality locked down so they can continue to support/sell 3d vision hence that might stop them supporting variable sync using freesync monitors.

 

[Hitman928]

ouch

what happened to the 9-240Hz range?

Marketing happend. 24(or lower) should really be the minimum. 30fps was bleh. 40 is uff! And 48 is just plain bad.

The full range is what AMD can do from the gpu end, not what every monitor will be able to do. In fact, the 9-240 Hz is broken up into different ranges as well though I don't remember them off hand. I think the reviews have shown that freesync works and works as well as anyone expected. The rest is the limitations of the actual displays being built that support A-sync. Part of having an open standard is less control over the quality of all products that can use the tech. You'll see all types of panels that will vary greatly with price and performance. Find the best performing one in your price range and go with that, just like buying monitors without variable refresh rate.

 

[raghu78]

The takeaway from reviews is get the monitor which has the lowest min dynamic refresh frequency. Right now Acer XG270HU and Benq XL2730Z (1440p monitors) have the same 40 Hz for their lower limit. There are some technical difficulties in lowering that limit according to pcper.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Displa...hnical-Discussion/Gaming-Experience-FreeSync-

So anyway I expect Freesync monitors to evolve as the montior scalers themselves improve over time . As for now Fressync provides the same experience as Gsync in the Variable Refresh Range or Dynamic Refresh Range and above the VRR/DRR(if you turn VSYNC on). Its below the VRR (0 - 40 Hz) where Gsync has the advantage and provides the better experience.

But if you have a very powerful card like the upcoming R9 390X with a 40 - 144Hz TN 1440p monitor you should be able to avoid going below the 40Hz mark and have a very good gaming experience. :thumbsup:

 

[Dribble]

But if you have a very powerful card like the upcoming R9 390X with a 40 - 144Hz TN 1440p monitor you should be able to avoid going below the 40Hz mark and have a very good gaming experience. :thumbsup:

If you can keep your fps high you don't need freesync in the first place. We just need some better quality freesync monitors - i.e. identical to the gsync ones for refresh rate and ghosting and everything else but at a lower price. Then everyone wins as nvidia will be forced to drop the price of the gsync monitors, and AMD users can buy a quality monitor too.