AMD Freesync Monitors & Reviews Thread

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maniacalpha1-1

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The BenQ is also available at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...4014451&cm_re=freesync-_-24-014-451-_-Product. Fair amount of reviews and none mentioning ghosting as a con. PCPer and the polish site do use a white to black transition so probably worst case scenario.

Ah thanks- I knew this one was up for sale, but even though I hadn't seen a specific ghosting mention for it, I thought I saw somewhere it was the same panel as some of the others - guess I was wrong.
 

digitaldurandal

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If you have a decent monitor with okay calibration, you should be able to see the overdrive artifact on the ROG Swift in the above image.

Had the windmill demo taken place on a blue-ish background, you would have seen the overdrive artifact show as a noisy shadow behind the windmill blade.

What, no way, I was told in this thread that overdrive does not cause reverse ghosting..

The Swift does show better than the other two monitors but I believe the other two are not TN panels.

Still waiting for a 34 inch 3440x1440 TN 120hz+ TN freesync preferrably curved. Who is going to take my money?
 

SoulWager

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What, no way, I was told in this thread that overdrive does not cause reverse ghosting..

The Swift does show better than the other two monitors but I believe the other two are not TN panels.

Still waiting for a 34 inch 3440x1440 TN 120hz+ TN freesync preferrably curved. Who is going to take my money?

Overdrive can cause reverse ghosting if the overdrive setting overcorrects at all.

The BENQ is a TN panel.
 

Kenmitch

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The BenQ is also available at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...4014451&cm_re=freesync-_-24-014-451-_-Product. Fair amount of reviews and none mentioning ghosting as a con. PCPer and the polish site do use a white to black transition so probably worst case scenario.

While immersed in a game I'd think it wouldn't even be noticeable at all on the BenQ. The LG looks really bad in the windmill example. I'd also tend to believe the worst example frame/image is shown on both of them.
 

3DVagabond

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We need better pricing. $600+ for a 27" TN is still too much. Hopefully when AMD gets the proper drivers out and the other models are released prices will come down (and performance should improve as well). I think early adopters are going to suffer a bit here. Give it a few weeks.
 

Phynaz

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Prices will fall until adaptive vsync is eventually free. It's the nice thing about commodity features.
 

3DVagabond

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Prices will fall until adaptive vsync is eventually free. It's the nice thing about commodity features.

Yes. I also imagine that the scalers are costing a bit of a premium right now. Once the non 1.2a compliant scalers are gone the price should come down.
 

SoulWager

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Prices will fall until adaptive vsync is eventually free. It's the nice thing about commodity features.

Adaptive vsync is not adaptive sync. Very similar sounding, but adaptive v-sync is just normal v-sync that turns off when framerate gets too low.
 

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UPDATE: New Anantech Review and they addressed the "Ghosting" issues:

Source:
Anandtech LG 34UM67 Review

In the review you will see that in the Windmill Demo that the LG 34UM67 shows ghosting, but in the F1 2014 Racing game there was little or no ghosting. While the ASUS ROG Swift showed visual artifacts such as "inverse" ghosting.

Similarly, the use of an IPS panel can be good and bad. The good news is that you get the wide viewing angles associated with IPS – and really, for a 34” display you’re going to want them! – but at the same time there’s a question of pixel response times, with most IPS panels rated at 5ms+ compared to TN panels rated at 1-2ms. LG specifies a response time of 14ms for the 34UM67, though they don’t mention whether that’s GtG or Tr/Tf. There’s also a setting in the OSD to improve response times, which we used to capture the following images with a 1/400s shutter speed. In the gallery below, we also compare the LG 34UM67 with the ASUS ROG Swift to show how the two panels handle the same content (from AMD’s FreeSync Demo).

My personal opinion is that LG's 14ms response time value may be incorrect, at least depending on the setting. The ASUS ROG Swift clearly has a faster response time in the above images and gallery, and if we compare best-case ghosting results, the “Normal” setting on the ASUS is very good while even the “High” setting on the LG still shows about two-thirds of the blades ghosting – I had some other images where the ghosting indicates the transition between frames occurs by the time around half of the display has been updated (~8ms). But the windmill in AMD's FreeSync demo is actually something of a best-case scenario if you happen to enable overdrive features.

LG 34UM67 in Windmill Demo with response time setting at "Middle":


ASUS Rog Swift with Overdrive setting at "Normal":



So it may seem like in PCPer's review, they had the Rog Swift's OD setting at normal because Anandtech was able to replicate it in their Windmill Demo


But results were different when actually playing a PC Game like a fast pace racing simulator game!

But the windmill in AMD's FreeSync demo is actually something of a best-case scenario if you happen to enable overdrive features. Let's look at what may be less ideal: F1 2014... Here the tables turn, with Normal Overdrive on the ASUS display causing some rather obvious artifacts, and if you enable Extreme Overdrive it can be very distracting. The LG display by comparison doesn't show any artifacting from increasing the Response Time setting, and at High it shows much less ghosting than in the windmill demo.

LG 34UM67 with Response Time set on High:




ASUS ROG Swift PG278Q with "Normal" Overdrive



F1 is a fast pace moving game and I can see why he chose that game to demonstrate visual artifacts such as ghosting. So for comparison - Visual Artifacts, Ghosting, and Pixel Overshoot (Inverse Ghosting) depends on the game. Both Freesync and G-sync monitors have settings where you can try to minimize the ghosting or visual artifacts.

I see this thread with people arguing over "Ghosting" as a major fail for Freesync monitors - but how many of us are going use Freesync or G-Sync monitors to run "Windmill Demos" instead of using them for PC Gaming?
 
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Last video: http://pclab.pl/art62755-4.html

Ghosting is not a problem when you stay at the maximum refresh rate because then the overdrive setting is working. With >85 FPS the LG monitor runs at 75hz...

So this comparison is useless...

/edit: I dont really understand why they put the Swift at 85Hz and not 144Hz with G-Sync. This isnt a fair comparision at all...
 
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Eymar

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What sontin said. Issue is when FPS in Freesync "zone" the monitor overdrive settings are not used. A nice comparison would be comparison of games (light and dark environments) at 30-60FPS using GSync and Freesync.
 

tential

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I tried to skim through a lot of this thread yet I'm lost. I thought freesync/gsyc synced up frames? Why are there issues with ghosting when I thought the whole reason this tech was coming out was to make games smooth?
 

Eymar

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Here's my attempt at an explanation:
Ghosting is a separate hardware issue (lcd tech) from smoothness due to fixed refresh rate issues(stutter\tearing) vs dynamic refresh rate modes G-Sync\FreeSync(no stutter or tearing).

To fix ghosting the following is applied:
1. For old school, fixed refresh implementation there is hardware in the monitor (scaler) that performs overdrive calculations based on current fixed refresh rate.

2. For dynamic refresh:
a. GSync module probably (I don't know for sure, but Nvidia says the module does) performs the above, just dynamically calculating the overdrive values based on how long previous image was displayed
b. FS - seems to not perform any overdrive calculations when in Freesync operating range so has more ghosting than previous two refresh rate modes (fixed, GSync).
 

tential

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Here's my attempt at an explanation:
Ghosting is a separate hardware issue (lcd tech) from smoothness due to fixed refresh rate issues(stutter\tearing) vs dynamic refresh rate modes G-Sync\FreeSync(no stutter or tearing).

To fix ghosting the following is applied:
1. For old school, fixed refresh implementation there is hardware in the monitor (scaler) that performs overdrive calculations based on current fixed refresh rate.

2. For dynamic refresh:
a. GSync module probably (I don't know for sure, but Nvidia says the module does) performs the above, just dynamically calculating the overdrive values based on how long previous image was displayed
b. FS - seems to not perform any overdrive calculations when in Freesync operating range so has more ghosting than previous two refresh rate modes (fixed, GSync).

Edit: Did some more reading oops.... ignore that.
I gotta read up more on ghosting, I am unfamiliar with panel tech as I haven't bought a panel in 8 years probably that wasn't an HDTV.

Is there ANY chance Freesync technology comes to HDTVs?
Guess I gotta see the pricing on the UE850. Doesn't seem like there is any good choice for a person who wants a super large panel and freesync. I hope someone asks AMD this in an interview sometime in the future. Or Nvidia. I don't get these refresh rates of 40hz+. Can't wait until a couple of years where both these techs get their initial bugs ironed out.
 
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Dribble

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UPDATE: New Anantech Review and they addressed the "Ghosting" issues:

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Not convinced in that review they understood or tested for overdrive being turned off when running at variable refresh. Was freesync even running in the F1 test? e.g. that F1 screenshot shows the fps to be 131, outside of the freesync range.

They also didn't test properly what happens under the min freesync range where you are meant to get much worse stutter because it just sits at the monitors min fps (i.e. 48hz). The gsync ones work better here because (a) they go down lower to 30hz, and (b) they run the monitor at multipliers (e.g. 120hz for 30hz). Apparently you get a very pronounced effect going under min freesync fps that's not there for gsync.
 

Flapdrol1337

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The pclab videos show there is less ghosting the higher the framerate gets. The windmill demo runs at 45-60 fps, so that's why there's a massive difference between that and the f1 game running at 130 fps.
 

Destiny

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Not convinced in that review they understood or tested for overdrive being turned off when running at variable refresh. Was freesync even running in the F1 test? e.g. that F1 screenshot shows the fps to be 131, outside of the freesync range.

They also didn't test properly what happens under the min freesync range where you are meant to get much worse stutter because it just sits at the monitors min fps (i.e. 48hz). The gsync ones work better here because (a) they go down lower to 30hz, and (b) they run the monitor at multipliers (e.g. 120hz for 30hz). Apparently you get a very pronounced effect going under min freesync fps that's not there for gsync.

The pclab videos show there is less ghosting the higher the framerate gets. The windmill demo runs at 45-60 fps, so that's why there's a massive difference between that and the f1 game running at 130 fps.

True... I think that is what happened.
 

DancingDirty7

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So AMD says that FreeSync for gaming will be on some new cards but all the other cards that AMD claims that will work for video playback and power-saving purposes is there any reviews on that? Anyone has tried FreeSync on HD7000 for video playback and power-saving purposes?

edit: made a thread about this, if you want to anwser or see if anyone else has anwsered go there http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2427501
 
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