AMD Fury X Reviews

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SolMiester

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I'm failing to see how your post addresses what I said?

Anyone too concerned with GM200 running 20°C hotter and 10db louder than Fury? It used to be important when nVidia dominated those parameters. Not so much any more.

You know, there is no prize when late to the party!....They wont get market share reacting like sheep!
 

Keysplayr

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I'm failing to see how your post addresses what I said?

Anyone too concerned with GM200 running 20°C hotter and 10db louder than Fury? It used to be important when nVidia dominated those parameters. Not so much any more.

I don't see anyone too concerned with GM200 running 20°C hotter and 10db louder than Fury. It ceased being important when Hawaii was launched. We can go back to those launch threads if you like.
 

Azix

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Amd does have the fastest gpu. Purely in terms of raw power. It's significantly ahead in overall tflops unless Maxwell can also use something like aces. The problem Will be getting that power out
 

ShintaiDK

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Amd does have the fastest gpu. Purely in terms of raw power. It's significantly ahead in overall tflops unless Maxwell can also use something like aces. The problem Will be getting that power out

If gflops/tflops was a sole indicator of performance. Then Intel IGPs would perform quite differently.

And no, AMD doesnt have the fastest GPU. Thats GM200.
 

iiiankiii

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I don't see anyone too concerned with GM200 running 20°C hotter and 10db louder than Fury. It ceased being important when Hawaii was launched. We can go back to those launch threads if you like.

It is a concern. I don't really care that it's hotter or it's a bit louder. Although, +10db means it's 10x more intense but the stock reference cooler isn't really that loud at stock settings. The problem is the heat throttling the GTX980TI. That directly affects performance. of course, you can just crank up the fan speed; but at that point, it becomes way too loud. It really is just a matter of the reference cooler holding back a MASSIVE amount of performance of the GM200 cards.

Fortunately, there are AIB with better cooling solution. Those AIB cooling solutions really allowed GM200 to really spread its wing. Make no mistake, GM200 is much better than Fiji. But don't try to pretend the reference cooler isn't holding it back.
 

Keysplayr

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It is a concern. I don't really care that it's hotter or it's a bit louder. Although, +10db means it's 10x more intense but the stock reference cooler isn't really that loud at stock settings. The problem is the heat throttling the GTX980TI. That directly affects performance. of course, you can just crank up the fan speed; but at that point, it becomes way too loud. It really is just a matter of the reference cooler holding back a MASSIVE amount of performance of the GM200 cards.

Fortunately, there are AIB with better cooling solution. Those AIB cooling solutions really allowed GM200 to really spread its wing. Make no mistake, GM200 is much better than Fiji. But don't try to pretend the reference cooler isn't holding it back.

If 1300MHz overclocks indicate a MASSIVE amount of performance being held back in GM200 GPUs, I can't imagine what you think it is supposed to be? Of course aftermarket coolers will allow higher clocks. The reference cooler however is quite good.
 
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krumme

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Let's say drivers need to be optimized further to reveal fury x's true performance. Realistically, how much performance gain could we expect from the fury x through driver optimization and dx12?
Dont know. Tonga is old enough to have matured - what is missing is hbm. Its new land.
But anyway not enough to not lower prices as first impression last
Look how good 390x did. Its not always fair. Lol.
 

Azix

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If gflops/tflops was a sole indicator of performance. Then Intel IGPs would perform quite differently.

And no, AMD doesnt have the fastest GPU. Thats GM200.

actually, no. Fury X is the fastest if you consider all its capabilities. If you look at gameworks games and a few others only, then currently 980ti wins. All things considered though, Fury X is worlds faster than those two.

With the way things are going (PC becoming more like consoles) and how console teraflops are much closer to actual performance, I think that will eventually mean fastest in everything.
 

ShintaiDK

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actually, no. Fury X is the fastest if you consider all its capabilities. If you look at gameworks games and a few others only, then currently 980ti wins. All things considered though, Fury X is worlds faster than those two.

With the way things are going (PC becoming more like consoles) and how console teraflops are much closer to actual performance, I think that will eventually mean fastest in everything.

No...

The train has departed and Fury X didnt deliver the hype. Time to move on.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1496?vs=1513
 

Glo.

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For DirectX 11 and lower than 4K resolution, I think better options are Titan X and GTX 980 Ti. As for 4K and compute the choice is not so obvious. However. I think when DX12, and the rest of low-level APIs will arrive we will see quite a change in advantage of AMD.


And we cannot forget the maturing Drivers, which also will improve the performance of the GPUs.
 

Headfoot

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For DirectX 11 and lower than 4K resolution, I think better options are Titan X and GTX 980 Ti. As for 4K and compute the choice is not so obvious. However. I think when DX12, and the rest of low-level APIs will arrive we will see quite a change in advantage of AMD.


And we cannot forget the maturing Drivers, which also will improve the performance of the GPUs.

Titan X is not a better option, are you kidding? $1000 for a few percent more performance???
 

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Tell me why Dying Light is justified as being popular that a lot of people play it:

http://steamcharts.com/top

Witcher 3, yes no problem its an awesome game with lots of players and indeed deserving of "GOTY". But why run it with HairWorks enabled? Heck, did [H] even realize AMD users can force tessellation to 16x and get the SAME image quality but at significant performance improvements?

If any FPS needs to be included in tests, its still ARMA 3. That game is very popular for years and still crushes GPUs.



http://muropaketti.com/artikkelit/naytonohjaimet/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-fiji
 

Enigmoid

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Keep telling yourself that. It is still the all round fastest GPU ever made. Once that dual Fury reaches we're going to have another 295x2 type situation. That card still is at the top.

No its not. Especially when you consider all around.
 

Glo.

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Titan X is not a better option, are you kidding? $1000 for a few percent more performance???

Im not talking about power/cost ratio. Im talking about raw power in lower resolutions than 4K. Is the performance enough for anyone to pay that price tag is completely individual thing.
 

Enigmoid

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Why not? Its neck to neck in many gaming benchmarks but defecates on the maxwell cards in compute. All around fastest.

It falls behind at 1080p 144 Hz.

The ARMA 3 bench shows worse performance at 1440p, especially on the minimums (though a single min value isn't very useful).

Its competitive and faster in certain areas but its not faster in all areas, and especially in the more important areas (compute is less important).
 
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Until there's custom Fury that does 25% OC, then its moot. GM200 and currently custom 980Ti is KING.

Pointless to argue since AMD clearly failed to deliver especially with lack of vcore mod to abuse the water cooler.
 

blastingcap

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AMD doesn't seem very good at the marketing end of the business.

They try to make up for it by paying forum shills. Er, excuse me, social media evangelists.

Fury X isn't a bad card, but it should be priced in the $500-600 range because it's an inferior to the GTX 980 Ti for gaming. At 1080p, Fury X's minimum framerates are similar to a GTX 980, not the GTX 980 Ti.

Says Bit-Tech: "Typically, if a card was similar to a GTX 980 at 1080p, it would also be very similar at 4K. What we see here, however, is the Fury X performing close to a GTX 980 at 1080p, but virtually the same as a GTX 980 Ti at 4K – this is a significant jump." And: "If you're gaming at 1080p or 1440p, the GTX 980 Ti offers better value for money." http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2015/06/24/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-review/14

Anandtech GPU bench shows the same thing--that Fury X = GTX 980 non-Ti at 1080p: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1442?vs=1513

In some cases the GTX 980's minimum framerate at 1080p just destroys the Fury X, like 65.7 vs 48.2 for Shadow of Mordor at 1080p/Ultra.

GTA V's 99th percentile framerate scores at 1080p are actually 43.4 vs 40 in favor of the GTX 980.

But most of the time the minimum framerates at 1080p are so close to each other so as to be essentially tied. E.g., 71.3vs75.2 (Civ:BE), 88.2 vs 88.9 (DA:I).

At 2560x1600/1440 Fury X is substantially faster than the GTX 980 on average (there are exceptions like GTA V and Shadows of Mordor), but somewhat slower than the GTX 980 Ti so it becomes a case of looking at specific game titles to see if the difference is worth it to you.

At 4K, Fury X's minimum framerates do challenge the GTX 980 Ti, but a) how many people are on 4K? b) there have been reports of frametime issues in some games (drivers?), and c) 2GB VRAM and DVI/HDMI 2.0 and other things that might not viewed as important TODAY but may affect resale value down the road, d) Fury X doesn't come with bundled games, and e) GTX 980 Ti is likely to have more OC headroom--the air-cooled versions still edge out Fury X so imagine what water cooling would do.

Some might argue compute/DP but that's a non-issue for most gamers. The DP premium to gamers is worth $0. Serious DP users are going to want to go FirePro and Tesla. The OG Titan tried to blend the two markets but apparently it didn't work out because NV backtracked with the latest Titan. There's no reason to believe Fury X is going to get huge sales just because of DP, either.
 
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Azix

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Until there's custom Fury that does 25% OC, then its moot. GM200 and currently custom 980Ti is KING.

Pointless to argue since AMD clearly failed to deliver especially with lack of vcore mod to abuse the water cooler.

Nivida and AMD don't typical provide official means of modifying the voltage do they? Not on CCC anyway. I think it might be something to have expected that no third party apps would have support, just like GPUz wasnt even detecting the GPU correctly.

If it really is locked by AMD though thats another thing.
 

thilanliyan

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Fury X isn't a bad card, but it should be priced in the $500-600 range because it's an inferior to the GTX 980 Ti for gaming. At 1080p, Fury X's minimum framerates are similar to a GTX 980, not the GTX 980 Ti.


Would you really buy a Fury X to game at 1080p?
Might as well use a 290 or GTX970 for that res.
 

Enigmoid

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Some might argue compute/DP but that's a non-issue for most gamers. The DP premium to gamers is worth $0. Serious DP users are going to want to go FirePro and Tesla. The OG Titan tried to blend the two markets but apparently it didn't work out because NV backtracked with the latest Titan. There's no reason to believe Fury X is going to get huge sales just because of DP, either.

It is nice to see that AMD cut out DP. They did something right at least.

Note that DP (64 bit) values are twice as large as SP (32 bit values). Which means that if a program is changed to use nearly all doubles instead of floats (except for a small amount of control variables and other overhead variables) it will use basically twice the RAM meaning 4GB for DP is basically 2 GB for SP.

Not saying that DP is useless on this card but you would need a DP application that fits in 4GB for Fury to make sense.

Not to mention that DP performance is worse than the 390X.
 
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