Yes.
If a specific feature makes a card drop it should not be use at all, unless the benefit outweighs the cost. And this is just me but I bet most people would play most games without the said features and still enjoy them.
so you agree no Gameworks in AMD/Nvidia comparisons?
These are new and popular games people play. I'm sorry you have an issue with using games people are actually playing today.
Perhaps you should speak to the game developer for their use and choice of 3D features in their own games?
We will continue to use new game releases, popular game releases, and games people are actually playing on the PC. We are open minded and do not cherry pick our games based on who has sponsored a game. That thought never enters our mind in the decision to use a game. I don't care what 3d features are in it, as long as there are 3d features that push gaming forward on the PC.
These are new and popular games people play. I'm sorry you have an issue with using games people are actually playing today.
Perhaps you should speak to the game developer for their use and choice of 3D features in their own games?
We will continue to use new game releases, popular game releases, and games people are actually playing on the PC. We are open minded and do not cherry pick our games based on who has sponsored a game. That thought never enters our mind in the decision to use a game. I don't care what 3d features are in it, as long as there are 3d features that push gaming forward on the PC.
You can't just look at 1 review site for noise level testing. Look at 10-20 sites and what do you see? 980Ti is hot and loud. Nearly every 980Ti owner has admitted to the same on our very boards from personal user experience. You can mention coil whine against some Fury X samples, or pump noise, sure, but a reference 980Ti blower is not quiet. I hope for Pascal NV brings out AIO CLC as that would be a monster card. No more blower cards from me, probably ever.
Also, did you actually listen to the videos of the cards?
Even if we take Fury X out of the picture, who in their right mind would buy a reference blower 980Ti and give up 18-20% overclocking performance at quiet noise levels against after-market 980Ti cards? There are only 4 users who fit this: (1) Tri- or Quad-SLI users (2) Guys putting waterblocks on a reference 980Ti (3) Gamers who only game with headphones (or have bad hearing) (4) Users with the smallest cases there a blower is required but in that case Fury X is even better.
I bet he is not. This is probably a strategic move to cater to your readership and marketing $. Small sites like PCPer and HardOCP rely much more on marketing money and ad clicks than a large site like AT that reviews a much greater variety of products, not just PC parts. With 80% of NV's customers and NV having much more influence, the more GW titles he includes, the more he hypes up NV, the better it is for his site's membership and NV review perks, etc.
Hexus shows Fury X has 1/16th DP.
Depending on the computer workload though, Fury X can beat GM200.
Most of us don't care about DP though and it was just a minority of OG Titan owners that talked about it to justify why getting ripped off was worth it back then. :biggrin:
Compute:
Video performance with power use:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-06/...8/#diagramm-videos-abspielen-h265-lav-filters
Yeah, Fury is not the cat's ass.
People saying [H] is biased lol, they do a far better gpu review than AT and I am not even a member of [H]. [H] always tests 4-5 games thoroughly and it has been the case for a long time. [H] included Hitman,TR,FC3,BF3,BF4,DA2 in their benches earlier and I don't remember NV users crying about it, I think the consensus was to test the most gpu demanding games and come to a conclusion otherwise we should be testing candy crush.
No he isn't being /s, the guy went full-NV shilling a long time ago when his own forum members pointed out the stacking of GameWorks titles and he blames AMD for performing badly in NV sponsored titles. No blame at all for the devs or NV itself.
Soon their reviews will be Dying Light, Project Cars, FC4 with GW, Witcher 3 with GW and Batman with GW on.
Tell me how AMD is supposed to compete, they'll need Fury X +50% to match that crippling.
I agree with Russian. A custom 980TI is the way to go unless there are niche factors such as regional pricing or a SFF build.
Yes, we have used each of those games. Naturally, we update our gaming suite over time. Most games get at least a year on our gaming suite, sometimes even much longer. TR stayed on there for a very very long time, it was time to move it out, and new games in.
It is quite impossible for one man to play 20 games for each review. We can get through 5 most of the time, 6 if we have a little extra time. Keep in mind we actually play the game, use real-world performance. It takes many hours to find highest playable settings in each game, record fraps data, and also do apples-to-apples data which our readers demand, so we give them what they want. Each game is examined very thoroughly. We go for a quality over quantity approach. If you don't find use in quality, feel free to hit the X.
And you deserve a kudos for that, when I look at many gpu reviews they don't even mention the advanced settings they have enabled. You were also the guys first to say that sli felt smoother than cf without doing any fcat analysis, I don't want to see a game where these cards push 60 fps easily ( like the G3D review for instance, games are fine but what settings are they using for those games?) but rather want to see these a cards pushed to their limits.
For those crying foul about testing only a few games however popular they are... including RS who USED TO say that testing the heaviest hitters was more relevant (since the difference between 40 and 30 fps is way bigger than the difference between 120 and 100 fps)...
No he isn't being /s, the guy went full-NV shilling a long time ago when his own forum members pointed out the stacking of GameWorks titles and he blames AMD for performing badly in NV sponsored titles. No blame at all for the devs or NV itself.
Soon their reviews will be Dying Light, Project Cars, FC4 with GW, Witcher 3 with GW and Batman with GW on.
Tell me how AMD is supposed to compete, they'll need Fury X +50% to match that crippling.
No wonder these professionals haven't done any compute benchmarks, the fury is a beast! I guess they will do anything to downplay amd.
RussianSensation used to make this point all the time, that you only need to test the top 4-5 heaviest hitters because that's where you need help the most. As for lesser games, who cares if you get 80 fps vs 90 fps? It's like, during the Crysis 1 era, you could probably get away with testing literally one game--Crysis--and that would kinda tell you what you needed to know. Testing 5 games is gravy.
I think HardwareCanucks said it best: the Fury X is good on average but can be wildly inconsistent from game to game. Coupled with only 4GB VRAM and video output issues and no price difference, it seems like a bad buy vs the 980 Ti 6GB. And the difference will probably only grow when comparing OC vs OC, as the aftermarket 980 Ti OC cards are already starting to show.
Spot on m8 :thumbsup:
If you wouldn't recommend a GTX 680 2GB over a HD 7970 3GB at the same price, then why the hell recommend a Fury X 4GB over a 980 Ti 6GB at the same price?
Yes, we have used each of those games. Naturally, we update our gaming suite over time. Most games get at least a year on our gaming suite, sometimes even much longer. TR stayed on there for a very very long time, it was time to move it out, and new games in.
It is quite impossible for one man to play 20 games for each review. We can get through 5 most of the time, 6 if we have a little extra time. Keep in mind we actually play the game, use real-world performance. It takes many hours to find highest playable settings in each game, record fraps data, and also do apples-to-apples data which our readers demand, so we give them what they want. Each game is examined very thoroughly. We go for a quality over quantity approach. If you don't find use in quality, feel free to hit the X.
The thing is I can kind of see their point as far as game selection. It's not just that they're GameWorks titles, they're popular games that happen to implement GameWorks. If they were games no one had heard of or were looking forward to, I could see the point about cherry picking, but you can't honestly say that games like Dying Light, Witcher 3, and Batman are niche titles.
It's unfortunate that a lot of anticipated games are GameWorks titles, and I'm not saying that it's good for consumers that this is the case, but it's a reality of the market right now.
Who plays compute? Seriously, this is ridiculous. I don't play 3DMark, Furmark, Tessmark, Luxmark...let's get real for a change, shall we?
I was hoping for Fury to be a viable product as much as anyone. The sad truth is it is not. I can't imagine a scenario where this would be a smart buy in a world where the 980ti exists for the same price.