AMD Fury X Reviews

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mindbomb

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I read the toms review, and I'm confused as to why the gaming power usage is so much lower than the compute one. It implies that all the games are poorly optimized or cpu limited.

But it struck me that an interesting thing I think you could do with that radiator is put strips of beef or kale in front of the exhaust to create jerky or kale chips.
 

ShintaiDK

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You cannot have an AIR cooler to fit in such a small pcb and dissipate 275W TDP, unless it would be 2x times as thick as triple-slot coolers.

Ofcourse you can. Coolers going beyond the PCB isnt new. What do you think the non X will be?
 

.vodka

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But that will be because of HBM, not the GPU itself right?

Improved powertune plays a part on this according to Tom's

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x,4196-7.html


It turns out that PowerTune takes big strides toward improved resolution and gradation! In spite of us running up against the limits of our logging technology, yielding curves that don’t look as nice anymore in spite of high-cut filtering, the bottom line is undeniable: PowerTune is now able to react to parameter changes in intervals of 10 microseconds or less. The following chart shows what happens over a time period of just 100 microseconds.



AMD’s engineers deserve some praise; these results look like they come from a card based on Nvidia's Maxwell architecture. Now we want to know how our observations are reflected in the individual load scenarios. Theoretically speaking, the power consumption at idle should be markedly lower, whereas the stress test might, unfortunately, trigger a massive increase. That is unless AMD set a conservative limit just like Nvidia did, since nothing can be predicted, and thus saved, under continuous full load. We’ll answer all of these questions in detail below.

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Probably there's a fancy new controller driving this, that could be the reason why there's no overvolting support yet.

Quite useful information here.

I read the toms review, and I'm confused as to why the gaming power usage is so much lower than the compute one. It implies that all the games are poorly optimized or cpu limited.


Maxwell behaves the same. Put a 980/980Ti through compute tasks and power consumption rises noticeably vs a gaming load. Their power management has a lot to do with that fact, and Fury has a similar behavior now.

Lots of good technology in Fury... going forward if applied to a new lineup, it could be awesome.
 

monstercameron

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I read the toms review, and I'm confused as to why the gaming power usage is so much lower than the compute one. It implies that all the games are poorly optimized or cpu limited.

But it struck me that an interesting thing I think you could do with that radiator is put strips of beef or kale in front of the exhaust to create jerky or kale chips.



IMHO, just think about asynch shader and scheduling, current dx11 gaming is closer to the left side of the image and compute is more like the right. The load is much higher in compute and gaming.
 

krumme

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The Gigabyte 980Ti gets close to or over 300W while gaming, for example. Toms shows the Fury X at under 230W iirc during gaming. and lower than a stock 980ti. I don't see why it HAS To be much worse while overclocked. Really depends on the voltage needed.

According to Tomshardware this card is more efficient than or about as efficient as a 980Ti
Thg power consumptions measurements is the most interesting assessments since fcat introduction. Have been for the last year.

Beeing interesting to follow.

When the 970 launched i saw this- is it like 165w consumtion figures ?- and thought it was a great replacement for one of my computers with passive ps and only 300w and only a 6 pin. Was riding a oc 7850 fine.
Then i found out most cards was 6 and 8 pin. Lol.
When i read thg power figures i understanded why it was so.
 

Jaydip

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It was nice when Ryan was just the GPU guy. He now has way more responsibility as the EIC and the timeliness of GPU launch reviews has suffered in accordance with Anand's departure.

The AT review is the one I look forward to reading the most and it's the only one I don't get to read today.

I was looking forward to read it too but give him some time he is sick sadly Did Jared leave AT? that guy is fairly competent at doing gpu reviews for notebooks.
 

bryanW1995

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That [H] review is pure shill.

Witcher 3 with HairWorks, check.
FC4 with Enhanced Godrays, check.
Dying Light, check. (ok fine, but when their list of games is tiny, including a few NV biased titles determines the conclusion)

AMD would actually need Fury X to be 50% faster to compete when its crippled so badly.

Then his GTA V result is out of line against almost every other site. As is the BF4 results.

Compare to other sites that use a lot of games, Fury X matches 980Ti at 1440p/4K. It takes a custom 980Ti to beat it (& those custom 980Ti beats Titan X too).

I am of the opinion that [H] is incompetent rather than shilling. However, if Fury X had delivered the goods as many here hoped for, then it wouldn't matter. If it had been neck and neck with titan X and 5-10% faster than 980ti then there would have been some reviewers raving about it and lots of positive messages. As it is, it's still decent but they should have priced it at $599 instead of $649 at least.

Of course, with such (rumored) limited availability, they can probably sell every one that they can make @ $649.
 

Erenhardt

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Fury is anywhere from a lot faster than 980ti to a lot slower than 980 ti. It seems amd has a long way to go with their drivers for this thing. Hopefully this will have a pipe-cleaner effect for their new generation of 14nm HBM based product stack, as well as improving the performance of fury later down the line.

Does anyone know if there is a professional cad based on fiji going to be released, with full DP capabilities unlocked. By the graphs posted ealier, even DP/16 in fury doesn't stop it from beating everything there is by a large margin.

Also, DX12 is gonna be fun times for Fury.
 

ShintaiDK

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Something future to fix all the problems never works out. Now both FX and Fury seems to wait for DX12.
 

.vodka

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Wait. Fury isn't anywhere near FX in terms of failing. I'd agree with that if we were in front of another 2900XT vs 8800GTX, but thankfully it didn't end up that bad. It's a nice product, just inconsistent. If it's good enough for what you do, then great. If not, at least there's now a choice to go up against TX/980Ti if you want.


As it is, it's actually competitive with GM200, if priced lower. Once the OC tools can overvolt, we'll see the rest of the picture.
 

bryanW1995

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For those crying foul about testing only a few games however popular they are... including RS who USED TO say that testing the heaviest hitters was more relevant (since the difference between 40 and 30 fps is way bigger than the difference between 120 and 100 fps)...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...682-amd-r9-fury-x-review-fiji-arrives-22.html

Fury X loses to 980 Ti at 1440p but can match the 980Ti at 4K (only 2% slower).

However OC vs OC I get the feeling Fury X gets spanked, and neither of them can really handle 4K with the heaviest hitters anyway. I'm still waiting for 14/16nm GPUs.

I guess you missed his huge post a few pages back in which he strongly recommends an OC 980ti based upon all of the information available?
 

cmdrdredd

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This is about what I expected. Match the 980ti which is a huge leap for AMD in terms of performance. Lose a bit here or there, match it here or there, but at least offer some competition in the high end. It's unfortunate that the frametimes suffer in a few games, if that's something you focus on.
 

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"Don't worry guys, firmware updates, new bioses and a windows update will make Bulldozer perform like it should!"

Getting the exact same vibes with this current future proofing DX12 discussion. People do realize that this card comes with a cutting-it-close 4GB frame buffer and is the last hurrah of 28nm right?

Fury X is pretty much the opposite of future proof. It's a stopgap card with limited memory. DX12 or not.
 

bryanW1995

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These are new and popular games people play. I'm sorry you have an issue with using games people are actually playing today.

Perhaps you should speak to the game developer for their use and choice of 3D features in their own games?

We will continue to use new game releases, popular game releases, and games people are actually playing on the PC. We are open minded and do not cherry pick our games based on who has sponsored a game. That thought never enters our mind in the decision to use a game. I don't care what 3d features are in it, as long as there are 3d features that push gaming forward on the PC.

I guess I'll ask you this question over here, Brent: Why do you review such a small number of games? If you reviewed 10 or 15 games then there would be no grounds for any "bias" accusations...plus, you would likely have reached a somewhat different conclusion.
 

monstercameron

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"Don't worry guys, firmware updates, new bioses and a windows update will make Bulldozer perform like it should!"

Getting the exact same vibes with this current future proofing DX12 discussion. People do realize that this card comes with a cutting-it-close 4GB frame buffer and is the last hurrah of 28nm right?

Fury X is pretty much the opposite of future proof. It's a stopgap card with limited memory. DX12 or not.

4gb is more than adequate for 4k and lower, and i'll agree, this is a beta product.
 

bryanW1995

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Your subjective playable settings are also pretty crap. I see the intention, but they can't be used for benchmarking and should not take up the most space.

I disagree here, their testing methodology is pretty awesome imho. They are certainly unique in their testing, and there is a lot of information they offer that other sites just don't offer. It's just unfortunate that the current list of games so strongly favors one brand over another.

Yes, we have used each of those games. Naturally, we update our gaming suite over time. Most games get at least a year on our gaming suite, sometimes even much longer. TR stayed on there for a very very long time, it was time to move it out, and new games in.

It is quite impossible for one man to play 20 games for each review. We can get through 5 most of the time, 6 if we have a little extra time. Keep in mind we actually play the game, use real-world performance. It takes many hours to find highest playable settings in each game, record fraps data, and also do apples-to-apples data which our readers demand, so we give them what they want. Each game is examined very thoroughly. We go for a quality over quantity approach. If you don't find use in quality, feel free to hit the X.

Ha, now I'm trapped in my own argument, kind of like you were with your comments about 1440p performance on fury x in dying light (just think what it will do at 4k if it's this bad at 1440p)...

I'm not sure of the right answer to this, but your current test bed is alienating ~ 1/4 of your target market. I'm not sure how much that will matter if AMD continues their downward slide though...maybe by the time 14/16 comes around AMD will be down to 10% market share.
 
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Elixer

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Awesome thanks a lot , only missing his conclusion at the moment :biggrin:

I can give you one...
Fury sets AMD on the road to recovery, virtually all performance and power metrics compared to its predecessor have been achieved.
Unfortunately for them, it isn't quite enough to give them the fastest single GPU crown in '15.
Fury cards are in very short supply as well, so, even if people wanted to give AMD their money, you will be hard pressed to find a reseller selling one at this time.

Now, does any AT reader know of a cure to GPUitus? I seem to have come down with a bad case of it...
 

wand3r3r

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Where are people getting the 980 TI mythical overclock numbers from?

According to hwbot (~250 submissions) it reaches 1294 MHz.
The way people keep repeating 1400-1500 MHz is strange if those numbers are true. Please correct me if they are incorrect.

The Titan X does OC very well at 1410 MHz. (2300 submissions!)

It seems like a perpetuated forum myth to me. I would venture a guess that the 980 TI is intentionally limited or binned with worse chips, therefore ensuring that the Titan X does indeed remain on top (even OC vs. OC).

Now my take on the Fury...

AMD deserves props for a few things:
Noise
Heat
AIO cooler. (A considerable expense/bonus for most people)
Power consumption. (Not my thing, but the forum seems infatuated with it)
Essentially matching the best.. (Might not much OC headroom but stock vs. stock is very close)
SFF. (Again an infatuation lately)
4k Crossfire looks hot (figuratively speaking, need FCAT)
HBM (partially created by them)
If you don't overclock and want reference (say multi card) I'd take it over the ti reference
Fury + Freesync monitors = win (pricewise)

Where it messed up/lacks:
Performance isn't high enough to decisively win anything (until 4k)
OC is very limited, at least without voltage. Let's see where this shakes out. It won't be thermally limited.
No HDMI 2 (doesn't matter to me, but I can see why it should have it)

And most importantly, price. A little less would have potentially made it an absolute must buy. Either way if it's such of a limited edition it will sell out regardless (apparently).

The Fury will be the card to watch. If it's 95% of the X then it'll be a lot easier decision. The nano will also be interesting, depending on pricing and exact performance.

Luckily I am not in the market at this very moment since I am too busy with other things for a while.
 
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