After that wall of text, this sentence is the only accurate thing you said.
Kidding kidding, honestly way tldr.
But fully agree on the competition sentiment. If this card doesn't sell, we'll be looking at $1000+ high-end cards from here on out. No one wants that.
Look how bad it's gotten with Intel...we're what...four generations removed from Sandy Bridge now? And the leaked Skylake benchmarks show nearly ZERO performance improvement at the same clocks.
Think about that, truly awful. And that's what happens with no competition.
Link to those Skylake benchmarks? Or PM me.
@3DVagabond, yes we need competition but it helps tremendously when we have at least two competent companies to make that happen.
AMD is slowly and surely dying. (this is not doom and gloom. NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THIS ANYMORE), and it's been years upon years since they had any CPU threat for Intel, and now it seems this mantra is trickling over to the GPU side. We don't need AMD. We need something a whole lot better.
Maybe some bored billionaire will buy a toy to play with and turn out some good products capable of competing all around. Or make two companies or more out of it. Whatever.
You can't keep excusing and defending a company just because it's the underdog and we need the competition. It gets hilarious sometimes to read some of the "inside the bubble" comments.
Ok. To address some of your wall of text, I guess this will be one also.
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Again, we have all of the Fury detractors not mentioning at all that the Fury is a lot cooler and quieter than 980 ti. When roles were reversed though we had thread after thread, post after post, page after page of never ending complaining about the 290(X)."
First, Fury, and thus AMD, has earned it's detractors.
Next, of course Fury is cooler and quieter than 980Ti. It is WATER cooled. There is NO role reversal as 290X was air cooled just like it's competition. It is a no brainer that Fury would be quieter and cooler. The reason it is not mentioned is because it was totally and completely expected by everyone on the planet that knows about these things. Why would anyone be surprised that the 980Ti runs warmer and louder than a water cooled GPU?
Now, comparing a 980Ti and a launch 290X is the rub here. You see everything wrong with people not mentioning that the FuryX is quieter and cooler than 980Ti, but see everything right about comparing 980Ti to 290X when it comes to db and temps.
Can you not detect that you do this?
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390(X) beats 290(X) and even though we've had [H] downclock the 390X (wish they had O/C'd the 290X instead to see if it performed as well) and saw it performed similarly to the 290X and we've got people trying to claim AMD is manipulating performance by not offering the same drivers for the 200 series as the 300 series."
You insist things be done the opposite way they were done trying to create the illusion that the result would be better or beneficial to AMD/Fury.
290X and 390X are Hawaii. Different clocks. If they are clocked the same but perform differently, then of course its driver driven.
If they perform the same, that is expected. They are the same.
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When nVidia had better frame times again pages upon pages of why you should never buy an AMD card. They're lying and giving you false FPS readings. There's dropped frames and stuttering. Slower was actually better because it was smoother. Mantle comes along which gives you dramatically better minimums and improved frame times and the same people complaining before all of a sudden are declaring Mantle a flop because it only gives you ~10% better avg. FPS. The same people who were claiming slower and smoother was worth $100's more before."
I think H said it best. How a game "feels" powered by specific hardware is more telling than frametimes. Frametimes are good for showing runt frames and frames that are dropped, but it doesn't really show the smoothness of gameplay. The FCAT results can say one thing but while playing, you may feel the difference.
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Look at these dropped frames for the 970 in SLI. Heard anyone claim nVidia is lying? Anyone? Not just the ones who were calling AMD out, but anyone at all calling nVidia out as lying? If it was just typical fans ranting don't you think that AMD fans would have said the same thing?"
Dropped frames are never good. Smoothness of gameplay is premium though.
I'll stop quoting you there. You're outcry is that Nvidia gets nowhere near the backlash you think they deserve. You also believe that AMD deserves none.
But you won't see the flip side of the coin. Nvidia gets things done. AMD waits for others to get things done for them, like a dude in a forum who made the hairworks mod for better framerates on AMD GPUs. Did you detract from AMD when you heard this?
Enough double standards man. I know you like AMD through and through and that's fine, but please don't put praise where it shouldn't be.
I very much like and favor Nvidia's products and their company. i've come to know a lot of the people who work real hard and love what they do over there. They don't rely on others. They get it done. That is one of the main reasons I can't get behind AMD and it makes me wonder why anyone would. I hope you understand that.