AMD FX-6300 6 Core Black Edition Processor

[ShintaiDK]

But even back then we had this:
6 core phenom II 20% faster than 4 core Phenom II.
20% fps increase for 50% more cores is quite impressive.
2011 game we are talking here.

X6 1100T turbos up to 3.7Ghz with 3 cores (T stands for turbo you know.). While the X4 955 is just a plain 3.2Ghz chip.

Platform and core stepping was also changed.

I thought you knew your AMD CPUs better. But again, it was also before AMD betted the house on the complete failure uarch.

Not sure if you noticed it, but the 930 despite of HT and 8 threads doesnt perform any different to the i5 760.

 

[eton975]

DX12 doesnt change game logic. That part will be as CPU intensive as always.

And using prescripted benchmark with essentially no CPU usage outside the rendering doesnt change that.

FX series is a hopeless buy today.

Those are actual games running. Not a benchmark. AMD does well in these new games. Case closed. The numbers show this. Intel does not perform THAT much better in these games according to the numbers.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Those are actual games running. Not a benchmark. AMD does well in these new games. Case closed. The numbers show this. Intel does not perform THAT much better in these games according to the numbers.

What are the actual games running? The thief prescripted benchmarks? AMD does great in what, 2 games it sponsored? And one depends on multiplayer to make it happen.

 

[eton975]

What are the actual games running? The thief prescripted benchmarks? AMD does great in what, 2 games it sponsored? And one depends on multiplayer to make it happen.

Oh ****, looked at your comment again and saw you posted before the guy that posted the 3 games at the bottom. The Cry3/WatchDogs/BF4 benches seem legit, tho, after checking the GameGPU website.

 

[ShintaiDK]

From the last sentence.
FX spread its wings when game logic is spread across all cores. Then it is hold only on the leash of DX11 rendering overhead. DX12 Should release the leash and fx should run full tilt across all cores without bottlenecking on a rendering thread.

Stating it is hopeless, is the same as sying dx12 will not deliver, or game engine developers will back-paddle and make their engines single-threaded again.

Lets fast forward to engine patches and 2015. What happens....

BOOOM! Where is that FX series again? Expensive 140W/220W FX CPUs being beaten by a cheap 53W i3. And an 4 year old Sandy Bridge quad is still out of reach for AMD. You know, the one sold before the FX8150 that the trusty buyers still wait on to perform. Oh and did I mention the 2500K was cheaper?

 

[Phynaz]

Same people making the same posts as every other thread.

 

[eton975]

Seriously, why don't we see how many sales there have been in total for, say, the top 40 games? Then, we look at framerate numbers for each game with different CPUs. Then, we weight the score for Intel vs. AMD processors by both how many sales each game that one or the other has performed better on, AND by how badly one lost to the other.

e.g. say the i5 4460 gets 100fps vs 50 fps for the 8350 on ARMA 3, and both get 50fps on BF4.

Say ARMA 3 sold 100,000 copies while BF4 sold 1.5 million or something.

So the AMD CPU gets a score of 0.5 (ARMA3) + 7.5 (BF4) while Intel gets a score of 1.0 + 7.5.

 

[AtenRa]

Lets fast forward to engine patches and 2015. What happens....

BOOOM! Where is that FX series again? Expensive 140W/220W FX CPUs being beaten by a cheap 53W i3. And an 4 year old Sandy Bridge quad is still out of reach for AMD. You know, the one sold before the FX8150 that the trusty buyers still wait on to perform. Oh and did I mention the 2500K was cheaper?

You do know that BF Hardline has Mantle and the context of the discussion is Mantle/DX-12 gaming and not DX-11.

 

[AtenRa]

Same people making the same posts as every other thread.

Really, how this post can help the OP ??

 

[Erenhardt]

Lets fast forward to engine patches and 2015. What happens....

BOOOM! Where is that FX series again? Expensive 140W/220W FX CPUs being beaten by a cheap 53W i3. And an 4 year old Sandy Bridge quad is still out of reach for AMD. You know, the one sold before the FX8150 that the trusty buyers still wait on to perform. Oh and did I mention the 2500K was cheaper?

You delve so far in your bias that you missed something important I was trying to show you.

fx6300 vs fx4300
from graph i posted (BF4):88 vs 67 = +31% improvement
from your graph (hardline): 92 vs 88 = +5% improvement

Great patchwork...

Also, way to miss the point and cherry pick comparing high performance work station CPU to budget small 2 core cpu in a workload that is tied to single core performance. All that in fx6300 thread...

 

[ShintaiDK]

You do know that BF Hardline has Mantle and the context of the discussion is Mantle/DX-12 gaming and not DX-11.

You really think that changes anything?

If anything, Mantle and DX12 only makes it worse for AMD.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Really, how this post can help the OP ??

Where is the op by the way? Another drive by?

 

[frozentundra123456]

You really think that changes anything?

If anything, Mantle and DX12 only makes it worse for AMD.

Bottom line on the FX6300 is that it was at one time a pretty viable low/mid range gaming processor. It is getting long in the tooth now though, even compared to some of AMDs own more efficient 8 core chips.

If you buy into the moar cores theory, the more efficient and cheaper FX8xxx cores coming out are squeezing it from that end, and if you value single thread performance, the vastly superior ipc and more effective use of hyperthreading on haswell i3 squeeze it from that end.

So I think you have to find it significantly below 100.00 to make it a reasonable choice.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I am pretty sure the Op said he already has a AM3+ mobo and is looking to replace his x4 955 or 965 so why are we bringing up Intel on a AMD post? He was wanting a FX6300 which there is nothing wrong with it,specially if that's all he can afford or he is getting it for a killer good price.I personally think he should go FX8320e for a few bucks more but hey who am I?That's just my personal opinion.There is no reason he needs to buy a whole new setup consisting on Intel parts when what he has is just fine.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I am pretty sure the Op said he already has a AM3+ mobo and is looking to replace his x4 955 or 965 so why are we bringing up Intel on a AMD post? He was wanting a FX6300 which there is nothing wrong with it,specially if that's all he can afford or he is getting it for a killer good price.I personally think he should go FX8320e for a few bucks more but hey who am I?That's just my personal opinion.There is no reason he needs to buy a whole new setup consisting on Intel parts when what he has is just fine.

Are you sure the OP said he/she had an AM3+ board?

 

[ShintaiDK]

I am pretty sure the Op said he already has a AM3+ mobo and is looking to replace his x4 955 or 965 so why are we bringing up Intel on a AMD post? He was wanting a FX6300 which there is nothing wrong with it,specially if that's all he can afford or he is getting it for a killer good price.I personally think he should go FX8320e for a few bucks more but hey who am I?That's just my personal opinion.There is no reason he needs to buy a whole new setup consisting on Intel parts when what he has is just fine.

I am pretty sure he didnt.

Also look on these posts:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37360544&highlight=#post37360544
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37306707&highlight=#post37306707
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37360327&highlight=#post37360327

 

[Justinbaileyman]

If he's replacing a 965 then yes I am pretty darn sure.. He's not running it on a LGA2011!!

 

[ShintaiDK]

If he's replacing a 965 then yes I am pretty darn sure.. He's not running it on a LGA2011!!

Where are you seeing the OP owning a 965?

 

[cytg111]

Hint of the day, game logic contains alot of serial code due to its nature.

Always some excuse in the future that will save the failed FX. Last time it was the consoles. 8 AMD cores and GCN would kill of nVidia and Intel.

You know damn well that mantle/dx12 narrows the gap between a strong and a not so strong CPU in games, going full retard peddling around it like you are doing now is embarrasing, even for you, please stop.
What is it you gain from this? - You need it to get off or something?

 

[B-Riz]

You know damn well that mantle/dx12 narrows the gap between a strong and a not so strong CPU in games, going full retard peddling around it like you are doing now is embarrasing, even for you, please stop.
What is it you gain from this? - You need it to get off or something?

:thumbsup:

LOL, I would tots buy an 8370e and OC it (to run along side the 4790k in waiting) if 16 gig o memory was not still so darn expensive...

 

[Phynaz]

Really, how this post can help the OP ??

How does your crusade help the OP??

 

[AtenRa]

How does your crusade help the OP??

At least I have provided some graphs to showcase how the FX6300 performs with Mantle, what is your contribution to the thread ??

 

[lord_emperor]

Lets fast forward to engine patches and 2015. What happens....

BOOOM! Where is that FX series again?

At the bottom of the chart producing acceptable framerates for under $100.

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't know that I'd invest in an FX chip and an AM3+ board right now, though.

 

[frozentundra123456]

You know damn well that mantle/dx12 narrows the gap between a strong and a not so strong CPU in games, going full retard peddling around it like you are doing now is embarrasing, even for you, please stop.
What is it you gain from this? - You need it to get off or something?

I guess you could get information about the what 5 to 10 games that support mantle. Where is that data on DX12 that shows it narrows the gap? Shintai is right, actually. It is always something just over the horizon that will make AMD the go to gaming processor. Remember the thread about the eurogamer article when the latest consoles came out, about how "future proof" the FX would be? Well, it is so future proof that is is being EOLd for Zen apparently. DX 12 should in fact help slower, less efficient processors, but we have no specific information yet. So we dont "know damn well" anything.