im sorry when was the last time u were happy going "CPU Temp 65C idle... mah.. its normal..."
Not sure if serious... The rumored cpus will run STOCK at 4.8/5Ghz. I think that the linked HSF will have no problem cooling these CPUs. Bigger problem will be cooling the VRMs.AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
thats only good if ur gonna keep the cpu @ STOCK! :thumbsup:
You're way off there. My temps are in the low 60C range with all cores loaded.
If 220W is such a big problem to cool,then why bother about being interested in water cooling,unless you are more worried about fancy coloured tubes and liquids??
People were water cooling overclocked overclocked GTX480 Tri-SLI setups,so if its a problem cooling a 220W TDP CPU,whether its at stock or overclock,it seems a pretty crap setup.
It seems pointless then to invest in custom loop for a CPU then. You might as well not bother with anything above a K series Core i5 and then use an air cooler,a few efficient GTX660/HD7850 cards and stop dicking around with a custom loop then,if it so much hassle.
no im asking you if your temps were at those ranges would you honestly be happy? because cpu cooling and gpu cooling have different target areas.
i dont think u guys are really aware of how much 220W is.
You guys have been spoiled backwards forwards silly since Sandy that i honestly think you guys are forgetting how much 220W is.
220W is about as much heat as a Q6600 displaced overclocked at 3.6ghz.
Keep note... im saying 3.6ghz @ roughly 1.45vcore.. because thats about where i remember it being when i did alot of thermal tests.
Now think back really hard on what type of heat sinks we used when we were trying to keep that Q6600 in check.
Because 220W means this chip @ STOCK is putting close to the same amount of heat as that Q6600 @ 3.6ghz.
Also u guys have heard me say this many times lately.
Today's hotzone in watercooling is no longer at the CPU.
Its the GPU sector now where water really shows its merit.
Its more benifical to watercool GPU's more so then CPU's now.
Ive seen benchmarks and reports of Quad - Titans under waterblocks not breaking 45C under 100% load bitcoining.
im sorry when was the last time u were happy going "CPU Temp 65C idle... mah.. its normal..."
220W is definitely watercooling worthy. Water starts outperforming air reasonably well around 150W and will take you all the way up to about 300W on today's custom blocks. I haven't seen anything beyond that on water, typically once you get above 250W you switch to phase cooling of liquid nitrogen. 220W is a lot in such a small space, its hotter than a nuclear reactor per cm squared, its a lot of energy to dissipate and will take 2-3 120mm fans on some reasonable radiators.
And what is the max voltage and max temperature for that TDP to be valid? Since you are referencing AMD specs, please provide your answer in the form of AMD specs.
A spec TDP without the accompanying spec max allowed operating temperature is a TDP value that is completely lacking definition. Might as well say the TDP is "unicorns and beer" at that point, it makes just as much sense.
At any rate, looking forward to the links to the specs for my FX-8350, thanks.
220W is definitely watercooling worthy. Water starts outperforming air reasonably well around 150W and will take you all the way up to about 300W on today's custom blocks.
Yeah why is everyone throwing a hissy fit over that number, all we know right now is that there's speculation of a 4.5 ~ 5 GHz FX model being launched by AMD, if early richland numbers are any indication then such high clock speeds could well be achieved within the 200W TDP power envelope not to mention the magic of RCM is still gonna be thereIt's all dependent on pricing. If it's above $300 I can't see how it's going to be worth it. If it is priced $220 then suddenly the 4570K might look overpriced. I doubt AMD can get so many good 5 GHz dies at that cost though.
Richland looks to have made some big power improvements and obviously that will be the same for the FX. It's just possible that we'll be pleasantly surprised.
220W is about as much heat as a Q6600 displaced overclocked at 3.6ghz.
Keep note... im saying 3.6ghz @ roughly 1.45vcore.. because thats about where i remember it being when i did alot of thermal tests.
Now think back really hard on what type of heat sinks we used when we were trying to keep that Q6600 in check.
Because 220W means this chip @ STOCK is putting close to the same amount of heat as that Q6600 @ 3.6ghz.
no im asking you if your temps were at those ranges would you honestly be happy? because cpu cooling and gpu cooling have different target areas.
Why would that info be disclosed to you? Are you a heatsink manufacturer or a final user?
Now seriously, you snipped the 97% of my post without any comment. I am curious: what is your reaction to the "100W delta" myth vanishing in the same review site you cited often in the past?
An advice: don't take their new 75W delta as final, there is still room for improvement in their methodology/measurements...
Why would that info be disclosed to you? Are you a heatsink manufacturer or a final user?
The Stilt said:Had a better look at the Gigabyte sheet.
It says "AMD next generation FX".
Vishera is no next gen, it is almost two years old already
I assume Gigabyte refers to "TJ", which still should pop into AM3r2.
The sheet is for Rev 3.0 990FXA-UD7 which has some changes to the VRM.
Yet it appears to be a multiplied analog VRM.
Intel tells me what the max operating temp is for my 3770k.
And AMD used to tell us the max temps for their chips, only they don't now...their lack of details coincides precisely with the timing of them having issues selling chips that conform to their own TDP spec.
If you know what makes semiconductors consume power then you would know why the TJmax value matters when creating a TDP spec in the first place.
If you are just a troll then none of this will sink in and you'll just keep spinning words like you usually do
@ sushiwarrior
Just LOL man, you made my evening. That was awesome post
Also from XS Stilt (who knows about unreleased products more than 99.99999% of people ) :
You're way off there. My temps are in the low 60C range with all cores loaded.