AMD FX-8770 and 9000 - 220W TDP, 5 GHz

[Erenhardt]

I wouldn't put 140W specced CPU in such a board if I were in your shoes .

Why not use CPU that is on supported CPUs list?

 

[Magic Carpet]

I remember the amount of cooling I needed to keep my overclocked Phenom 965 at reasonable temps on a hot summer day, and that was only 125w.

I'd rather get something passively cooled today (such as IB).

 

[SlowSpyder]

Some people is already running 8350 @ 5GHz on air. Therefore no problem here with current mobos. Maybe a series of Centurion-certified mobos could be released with those chips .

First of all, please say me where you did read the word stable in my post. Next, say me why you are focusing on that whereas avoiding the main part of my post, which was about mobos.

Ok... so you're using unstable just-get-into-Windows overclocks to try and prove that motherboards will be fine with this type of power draw? I'm not saying that there are not motherboards that can run these chips, but your post is rather misleading.


I really hope they release these at a reasonable price. I'm pretty sure I'm going AM3+ for my next build.

 

[guskline]

So people have to buy the same board again?

I'm unsure what this revision does. I have 2 Asus Sabertooth 990FX mbs, both rev 1 and 2. Now they have a Rev 2 Gen 3. The Asus mbs tend to handle the higher voltage. It appears that the revised Gigabyte mb will most likely handle the same. Perhaps AMD is going to push the PileDriver as far as it can go using higher voltage. I'm not sure the market is open for that. Moreover, if the costs go up substantially for the mb and high end 8770/9000 you will approach the cost of the Intel 2011 platform. Then AMD will have to compete with a 6 core 12 thread chip.

 

[R0H1T]

I'm unsure what this revision does. I have 2 Asus Sabertooth 990FX mbs, both rev 1 and 2. Now they have a Rev 2 Gen 3. The Asus mbs tend to handle the higher voltage. It appears that the revised Gigabyte mb will most likely handle the same. Perhaps AMD is going to push the PileDriver as far as it can go using higher voltage. I'm not sure the market is open for that. Moreover, if the costs go up substantially for the mb and high end 8770/9000 you will approach the cost of the Intel 2011 platform. Then AMD will have to compete with a 6 core 12 thread chip.

I'd say that's going over the top, comparable to top of the line IVB/Haswell CPU+mobo surely would be more realistic IMO but then again it'll be the novelty factor, like with the Titan, that'll sell these chips if nothing else !

 

[Rvenger]

If you don't care about power consumption, then this chip will be fast and compete with the i7 but will come at a very large price of power compared to Intel. It's a good thing to see that AMD still wants to provide products for the enthusiast. They are trying.

 

[galego]

Asrock, MSI and IDC dont agree with you there. So sorry to dissapoint you.

Example:

Nope, the FX-8350 has a TDP of 125W.

Your 'example' is a copy from a supposed email sent from the "MSI Service & Support Division" to some poster disappointed by a MSI mobo. The guy who wrote the email confounds TDP with power consumption. TDP is not the peak power consumed. Measuring a peak of 140 W does not imply the TDP is 140. MSI would focus on its traditional problems with under-engineering its mobos.

The FX-8350 draws from the wall about 40-80W more than the i7-3770k under full load. The difference depends on exact mobo, BIOS config, kind of load... A 60W delta is typical and consistent with the official TDP delta of 51W. Again: TDP is not the maximum power.

IDC has been corrected before:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34869403&postcount=132

In that same thread I wrote:

the original 96 W between the i7-3770k and the FX-8350 are reduced to 68-83 W.

Well TR has repeated the review with some of the suggestions I made in that thread and now they are measuring 75W of difference. Still a bit high, but far from the unrealistic 100W that you read often here in the forums

 

[galego]

http://wccftech.com/gigabyte-confirms-upcoming-5ghz-amd-fx-processors-computex-2013/

 

[Imouto]

Man, I wonder when ShintaiDK will get tired of being always wrong about his predictions.

 

[mrmt]

Well TR has repeated the review with some of the suggestions I made in that thread and now they are measuring 75W of difference. Still a bit high, but far from the unrealistic 100W that you read often here in the forums

Why cherry picking? it's still 100W once the iGPU comes into play.

 

[NTMBK]

Man, I wonder when ShintaiDK will get tired of being always wrong about his predictions.

Aww, there's only been a few. PS4 being an APU, XBox One being an APU, 5GHz Piledriver... I'm only calling it a pattern when there's no LGA Broadwell.

 

[Idontcare]

Nope, the FX-8350 has a TDP of 125W.

And what is the max voltage and max temperature for that TDP to be valid? Since you are referencing AMD specs, please provide your answer in the form of AMD specs.

A spec TDP without the accompanying spec max allowed operating temperature is a TDP value that is completely lacking definition. Might as well say the TDP is "unicorns and beer" at that point, it makes just as much sense.

At any rate, looking forward to the links to the specs for my FX-8350, thanks.

 

[aigomorla]

AMD - our 220W Chip is better in every way then the intel Extreme Edition.
Its Extreme Overclock at 5ghz... its Extremely power hungry at 220W, recomended u use a EXTREME PSU, and its going to run extremely hot, requiring a EXTREME Cooler.

Everything about it is EXTREME!!!
You cant even use our CPU unless your system is EXTREME!!
Now how Overpowered is our chip!!!!

AMD won... Yup...


<---- trying to say that with a straight face but finding it very difficult.

 

[laputan machine]

AMD - our 220W Chip is better in every way then the intel Extreme Edition.
Its Extreme Overclock at 5ghz... its Extremely power hungry at 220W, recomended u use a EXTREME PSU, and its going to run extremely hot, requiring a EXTREME Cooler.

Everything about it is EXTREME!!!
You cant even use our CPU unless your system is EXTREME!!
Now how Overpowered is our chip!!!!

AMD won... Yup...


<---- trying to say that with a straight face but finding it very difficult.

All this vitrol to this cpu is getting kind of surprises me. To me this is obviously just meant for the enthusiasts who cares about ebragging rights, ie the overclockers and those who'd like to overclock but don't feel like learning how. Doubt anyone really thinks this is meant to be for good value, or even remotely so.
If you're into watercooling why would a 220w cpu be an issue? I also see all sorts of crazy sli and crossfire setups which completely dwarfs 220w.

 

[Torn Mind]

Well, I'm tempted to get one simply because of the historical landmarks it is supposed to reach. (5Ghz wall and >200W TDP)

 

[aigomorla]

If you're into watercooling why would a 220w cpu be an issue? I also see all sorts of crazy sli and crossfire setups which completely dwarfs 220w.

so tell me who spends 400 dollars on just COOLING for a AMD processor? :\
Cuz id tell them unless... they REALLY ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE AMD.... spend the extra 400 and go intel.

This cpu has one purpose only...
Its called a LN2 Pot... and 15 min of sub zero glory, until everyone in the room is light headed from all the nitrogen which boiled off.

 

[Imouto]

Aww, there's only been a few. PS4 being an APU, XBox One being an APU, 5GHz Piledriver... I'm only calling it a pattern when there's no LGA Broadwell.

This one is golden too:

And K models contain TSX.

 

[inf64]

so tell me who spends 400 dollars on just COOLING for a AMD processor? :\

400 bucks? This thing can cool CPUs up to 300W and it costs 75 dollars on newegg... And it's air cooler (big one at that).

 

[Sable]

Hey galego, what are you system specs?!

 

[SlowSpyder]

so tell me who spends 400 dollars on just COOLING for a AMD processor? :\
Cuz id tell them unless... they REALLY ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE AMD.... spend the extra 400 and go intel.

no pal...this cpu has one purpose only...
Its called a LN2 Pot... and 15 min of sub zero glory, until everyone in the room is talking high pitched from all the nitrogen which boiled off.

Yea, that's why every 7970/Titan comes with endless liquid nitrogen. Obviously you cannot cool a chip that uses much power without it.

 

[laputan machine]

so tell me who spends 400 dollars on just COOLING for a AMD processor? :\

Someone who wants to brag about having a 5ghz plus cpu, or\and that really loves amd. I'd never consider buying it, but I like that the option is there. Would be sweet if Intel made a short soldered cpu run with 5ghz stock Haswells or even Ivy bridges too(even if it'd be ridiculously expensive to buy).
I'm sure you could cool this thing for much less than 400 bucks anyways.

 

[aigomorla]

400 bucks? This thing can cool CPUs up to 300W and it costs 75 dollars on newegg... And it's air cooler (big one at that).

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

thats only good if ur gonna keep the cpu @ STOCK! :thumbsup:

also u never take the full heat load on said sink.
You always assume half the given value... because vendors always take value high.
Also heat sinks work wayyy more efficiently at higher values, which vendors always push...
In short... dont ever listen to a vendors full claims without seeing the actual data report.

So realistically that dual tower sink is golden for around 150W, and around 200W its pushing it without having monster static fans.

 

[Concillian]

Dude.... they can't name it the 9000... It has to be "OVER 9000!"

220W TDP... soo I guess we're getting back to having Delta screamers in our cases? If it's true, I think it's GREAT. If Intel's ignorance of the high end has created an opportunity for AMD, then I'm all for it, and everyone else should be too. AMD's only hope is to exploit any niche that Intel doesn't fill. It worked for them with x64 and K7... then Intel followed. It worked for them with Bobcat, "good enough" processors, and the race to the bottome... then Intel followed. Now they're going to push back into a race to the top... Who's the leader here, again?

Yes, I'm cherry picking examples, but taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture it is pretty interesting how things have played out the last 10 years or so.

 

[SlowSpyder]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

thats only good if ur gonna keep the cpu @ STOCK! :thumbsup:

also u never take the full heat load on said sink.
You always assume half the given value... because vendors always take value high.
Also heat sinks work wayyy more efficiently at higher values, which vendors always push...
In short... dont ever listen to a vendors full claims without seeing the actual data report.

So realistically that dual tower sink is golden for around 150W, and around 200W its pushing it without having monster static fans.

I'll bet you my Phenom can suck up north of 200 watts and my temps are fine. I'll get the Kill-a-Watt out tonight and start some CPU stress tests if you want... Its been a while, but I'm pretty sure my system sucked down the power last time I checked during stress testing.

 

[aigomorla]

Yea, that's why every 7970/Titan comes with endless liquid nitrogen. Obviously you cannot cool a chip that uses much power without it.

im sorry when was the last time u were happy going "CPU Temp 65C idle... mah.. its normal..."