AMD FX-8770 and 9000 - 220W TDP, 5 GHz

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guskline

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sushiwarrior: Have you actually owned and tested a 8350? I know IDC has and I know I have. I'll admit my testing equipment, Kill-O-Watt is crude versus IDC's more sophisticated testing equipment. However, both his test and mine show a reall jump in wattage and heat output of the 8350 as you ramp up the vcore and multiplier. Naturally the 8150 was worse. What I'm interested in are the actual "tweeks" AMD engineers made to the PileDriver core from a 8350 to a 9590. It appears obvious that TDP was not a consideration going from 125 for the 8350 to 220 for the 9590.
 

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sushiwarrior: Have you actually owned and tested a 8350? I know IDC has and I know I have. I'll admit my testing equipment, Kill-O-Watt is crude versus IDC's more sophisticated testing equipment. However, both his test and mine show a reall jump in wattage and heat output of the 8350 as you ramp up the vcore and multiplier. Naturally the 8150 was worse. What I'm interested in are the actual "tweeks" AMD engineers made to the PileDriver core from a 8350 to a 9590. It appears obvious that TDP was not a consideration going from 125 for the 8350 to 220 for the 9590.

Have I tested power numbers? No, I don't own anything advanced enough to be able to make any claims about power draw. It takes more than a wall socket measurement.

As I posted with the 8350 OC power draw, it does take a giant increase in power, and I absolutely don't doubt that. Like I said, 100w more power (which is almost double).

I don't think there are any silicon tweaks, just "soft" tweaks to the FP unit.
 

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There are no "soft fp" tweaks. This is pre-OCed 8T Pilderiver. Performance and power went up as we would have if we would manually OC 8350 to 4.7/5Ghz setting.
 

guskline

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Have I tested power numbers? No, I don't own anything advanced enough to be able to make any claims about power draw. It takes more than a wall socket measurement.

As I posted with the 8350 OC power draw, it does take a giant increase in power, and I absolutely don't doubt that. Like I said, 100w more power (which is almost double).

I don't think there are any silicon tweaks, just "soft" tweaks to the FP unit.
I agree about the wall socket measurement being crude. It is however worth paying the $$ to watch the wattage jump, for example, when running prime 95 or IntelBurn test or OCCT. For the $800 cpu price of the 9590 I could buy a 3930k and a decent mb and really be set!
 

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I can't believe nobody has commented that the model number is over 9000!!1! Whatever the performance of these chips, AMD has squarely won the spec sheet war. Octo-core, 5ghz.

I think the model number is interesting honestly -- people are going to get confused when/(if?) the steamroller FX chips come out as 8xxx and are faster (hopefully) than these. Perhaps this is the beginning of a new 'Extreme' line from AMD?
 

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Sometimes I think there should be cases with double insulation, which would act like big heatsink on its exterior side and prevent the dissipated heat to return inside the case and cause reheating components. With some bracket which alongside having a regular fan, would connect the CPU to the case walls via heatpipes to the case walls so more heat could be dissipated from the CPU and GPU, however I'm not sure if the case would be safe to touch due to high amounts of heat being transfered on its outer construction.

That is a neat idea :thumbsup: and others have had such an idea as well (no surprise, the wheel got invented many times over too) but it never caught on for some reason

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article75-page2.html

Doesn't the 8150 already draw that much, or more, when heavily overclocked? Seems like the better boards are already capable of it, just need to slap a sticker on them and make it official.

I agree with you that the boards already exist which can support upwards of 300W power-consumption if needed (well in excess of a 220W TDP processor).

But they aren't warranted or guaranteed to support it for long-term sustained usage. You know the mobo guys are going to add a premium to their mobos if they have to put themselves on the hook for warranties for dead mobos.

You have to give them credit, they are trying.

I wonder how well these models will OC, or whether they are already at their limit. Imagine if these things can reliably get into the low 5ghz range...

Assuming they can maintain the clockspeeds they are with Piledriver for Steamroller, they might actually catch up in performance after all... (though likely not perf/watt, at least on the high end).

I can't imagine these things having any OC'ing headroom left on the table, but AMD says otherwise in their official news release:
AMD said:
The new 5 GHz FX-9590 and 4.7 GHz FX-9370 feature the "Piledriver" architecture, are unlocked for easy overclocking and pave the way for enthusiasts to enjoy higher CPU speeds and related performance gains1.

This is true. What they're doing is completely nuts (in a bad way) and I can't believe we're going this route, but at least they're not sitting around accepting their fate.

In any case, since it's OEM-only I'd expect we'll see boutique builders pick this one up. The Falcon NWs and Origins of the world who can hook it up to massive air coolers and water cooling loops.

220W CPUs... I like powerful CPUs, but this is getting absurd.

I for one don't like the idea of a 220W (or more) processor...but I'd love for AMD to get the performance crown on a small-volume Halo part like this if only to light a fricken fire under Intel's ass and get them a little more motivated to find a way to get Haswell (or Broadwell) to something >4GHz stock without hitting 200W in the process.

Right now Intel is getting pathetically lethargic resting on its laurels. If it takes a 220W super-volted piledriver SKU to knock some sense into them then I'll take it. And if it doesn't, then I'll be looking forward to 28nm steamroller all the more.
 

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The question is, will they include water block with it? Because I assume you won't cool down 220W CPU(still running stock) using regular tower-type cooler. If not, than water will be mandatory for any OC anyway, that heat will be nasty than, but might be cheaper to heat the apartment in winter with it.
 
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Idontcare

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The question is, will they include water block with it? Because I assume you won't cool down 220W CPU(still running stock) using regular tower-type cooler. If not, than water will be mandatory for any OC anyway, that heat will be nasty than, but might be cheaper to heat the apartment in winter with it.

220W can easily be cooled with a high-end air tower like the NH-D14, or a low-end closed loop WC like the H100.

Not cheap though, gonna be a $100 (give or take) "stock" cooler.
 

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This is pre-OCed 8T Pilderiver. Performance and power went up as we would have if we would manually OC 8350 to 4.7/5Ghz setting.

Performance will be the same but power consumption would be minor. A 8350 @ stock has a given thermal and electrical tolerances. When OC to 4.7, you are suparsing the safety limit of the chip and can damage it.

This is not the case with a chip clocked at 4.7 @ stock. Either AMD is releasing a new line of production or (my bet) they will be pre-selecting from the ordinary FX-8 line those chips with extraordinary tolerances (above the average), which will be then setted at those high clocks. The power consumption and temps of one of those Centurion chips will be less than the consumption of an ordinary FX OC @ the same speed.
 

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Performance will be the same but power consumption would be minor. A 8350 @ stock has a given thermal and electrical tolerances. When OC to 4.7, you are suparsing the safety limit of the chip and can damage it.

This is not the case with a chip clocked at 4.7 @ stock. Either AMD is releasing a new line of production or (my bet) they will be pre-selecting from the ordinary FX-8 line those chips with extraordinary tolerances (above the average), which will be then setted at those high clocks. The power consumption and temps of one of those Centurion chips will be less than the consumption of an ordinary FX OC @ the same speed.
I assume they had to redesign them abit to push the headroom higher if offering 5GHz as a stock freq.
220W can easily be cooled with a high-end air tower like the NH-D14, or a low-end closed loop WC like the H100.

Not cheap though, gonna be a $100 (give or take) "stock" cooler.
thanks for explanation
 

Chiropteran

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I hope these become available outside of OEM systems. I'd love to have one just for the novelty of it. Might even be a collector's item some day, long after AMD is dead and gone, like the Voodoo 5 6000.
 

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from the Anandtech article:

We expect them to replace the existing FX-8350 and FX-8320 eventually,

most likely the FX-9590 will be close to the $200 mark.

Worst-case, I'd expect TDP to be 135W.


Um, what? Is this really replacing the current FX parts? That price and TDP seem like they need foundry improvements.
 

Ajay

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from the Anandtech article:

We expect them to replace the existing FX-8350 and FX-8320 eventually,

most likely the FX-9590 will be close to the $200 mark.

Worst-case, I'd expect TDP to be 135W.


Um, what? Is this really replacing the current FX parts? That price and TDP seem like they need foundry improvements.

Pretty freaking huge improvement @32 nm. Of course, that's part of what SOI was supposed to give them, maybe it's finally delivering. Still, I find it hard to imagine a 20% boost this far into production w/o something like a new stepping (AMD calls it something else, can't remember ATM). Of course, if 32nm really wasn't ready when the 8150 was introduced (basically using risk production) then I suppose it's possible - that's both good news and horrible news at the same time.
 

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220W can easily be cooled with a high-end air tower like the NH-D14, or a low-end closed loop WC like the H100.

Not cheap though, gonna be a $100 (give or take) "stock" cooler.

You have to admit the setup would be great for the winter months.
 

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Well, at least the average Joe gets something out of the extra megahertz. So, funny captions not really funny this time.

The average Joe also doesn't have the cooling tower required to deal with the extra heat that comes with a "5GHz" Piledriver...

 

ShintaiDK

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Considering current FX CPUs are more like 140W+ CPUs. I dont see this being any less, unless its just a made up number. Or maybe its just that TDP at -200C
 

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I am more worried about the temps, not the power. Thuban was one power-hungry chip but it ran cooler than its Intel counterparts at the time.
 
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