AMD Gaming Evolved Roadmap

[sontin]

I don't know why you keep saying Tomb Raider. There are no features, that I am aware of, that don't run on both company's hardware.

Tomb Raider was not really playable with all effects on nVidia based systems. It was a lock out of people. A lot of them needed to wait 2 weeks to play through the game.

AMD knew that and used the unplayable version of the game to highlight their cards:
http://blogs.amd.com/play/2013/03/05/tomb-raider-tressfx/

So, i really want to see why people should "realize the importance of this".

Tomb Raider is a "true" GE title. And it shows that AMD tries to sabotage the gaming experience on nVidia plattform.

Same with DA2 and Dirt Showdown. Maybe I've missed something and you can fill me in?

Both games had performance and stability problems with nVidia hardware. And both were GE titles.

 

[3DVagabond]

Tomb Raider was not really playable with all effects on nVidia based systems. It was a lock out of people. A lot of them needed to wait 2 weeks to play through the game.

AMD knew that and used the unplayable version of the game to highlight their cards:
http://blogs.amd.com/play/2013/03/05/tomb-raider-tressfx/

So, i really want to see why people should "realize the importance of this".

Tomb Raider is a "true" GE title. And it shows that AMD tries to sabotage the gaming experience on nVidia plattform.

Both games had performance and stability problems with nVidia hardware. And both were GE titles.

What features were locked out or were vender specific? None! Correct? Are you insinuating AMD had code purposely written so it would run like crap on nVidia hardware? Get real. How in the hell would they manage that? Did they have features put in that will highlight their hardware's capability? Sure they did, but that's not at all the same thing. Look at the benches I posted. None of them show a performance advantage for AMD.

 

[sontin]

What features were locked out or were vender specific? None! Correct?

If a game is crashing with all effects (especially Tessellation and TressFX) then it's a "lock out". If you can't see this...

Are you insinuating AMD had code purposely written so it would run like crap on nVidia hardware? Get real. How in the hell would they manage that?

Hm: Optimize the code only for AMD hardware and don't send nVidia the release code to optimize their driver and give feedback for changes would be a great start. :hmm:

Did they have features put in that will highlight their hardware's capability? Sure they did, but that's not at all the same thing.

Right now, Tomb Raider runs better on nVidia than on AMD hardware. 2 months ago it was quite the opposite.
So, which feature in Tomb Raider "highlight their hardware's capability"?

Look at the benches I posted. None of them show a performance advantage for AMD.

Because they are fake GE titles. Buyout products. AMD paid money to get the sponsoring rights. All of these developers worked together with nVidia to optimize these titles for their hardware.

"Real" GE titles like Tomb Raider running much more worse on nVidia than on AMD hardware because developers ignore nVidia cards.

 

[3DVagabond]

If a game is crashing with all effects (especially Tessellation and TressFX) then it's a "lock out". If you can't see this...

Hm: Optimize the code only for AMD hardware and don't send nVidia the release code to optimize their driver and give feedback for changes would be a great start. :hmm:

Right now, Tomb Raider runs better on nVidia than on AMD hardware. 2 months ago it was quite the opposite.
So, which feature in Tomb Raider "highlight their hardware's capability"?



Because they are fake GE titles. Buyout products. AMD paid money to get the sponsoring rights. All of these developers worked together with nVidia to optimize these titles for their hardware.

"Real" GE titles like Tomb Raider running much more worse on nVidia than on AMD hardware because developers ignore nVidia cards.

You need to get real. There were no lockouts or vender specific features. You are throwing up all kinds of smoke to avoid admitting that. Fake GE titles?

The features that highlight AMD's hardware are in the GE titles that do run better on AMD hardware. The lighting in Dirt 2, for example. I never specified Tomb Raider. You want to keep bringing up Tomb raider because it needed a patch and driver updates after release for nVidia hardware. Like nothing like that ever happens?

When a game runs like crap on AMD hardware it's because AMD has lousy drivers. Or lousy hardware. When a game runs bad on nVidia hardware it's a conspiracy. Take your tinfoil hat off, go play the GE titles on your nVidia hardware, and enjoy the full feature set of every game.

 

[wand3r3r]

.. amd ... nvidia ..

Desperate much?

 

[sontin]

You need to get real. There were no lockouts or vender specific features. You are throwing up all kinds of smoke to avoid admitting that. Fake GE titles?

Hm, so you say that Tomb Raider run flawless on nVidia hardware from the beginning?

The features that highlight AMD's hardware are in the GE titles that do run better on AMD hardware. The lighting in Dirt 2, for example.

It's Dirt:Showdown. And you don't know it runs better because of the hardware or the politic between the developer and AMD.

I never specified Tomb Raider. You want to keep bringing up Tomb raider because it needed a patch and driver updates after release for nVidia hardware. Like nothing like that ever happens?

And what is if there is no patch from the developer? Nothing that will fix the problems on nVidia hardware?

Maybe you should reread again what you wrote:

The best thing about these being Gaming Evolved titles, IMO, is that they will run well on everyone's hardware. No lockouts. No vender specific features. I wish people would realize the importance of this.

We saw how "well" Tomb Raider run on "nVidia's hardware".

Take your tinfoil hat off, go play the GE titles on your nVidia hardware, and enjoy the full feature set of every game.

Like Tomb Raider? :awe:

 

[Rvenger]

Thanks for ruining a good thread Sontin. All the GE titles I had ran great on Nvidia hardware. AMD had issues in Far Cry 3 (Still does) and Crysis 3. You are really grasping at straws and throwing this whole discussion into a flame fest. I suggest you stop.

 

[chimaxi83]

Thanks for ruining a good thread Sontin. All the GE titles I had ran great on Nvidia hardware. AMD had issues in Far Cry 3 (Still does) and Crysis 3. You are really grasping at straws and throwing this whole discussion into a flame fest. I suggest you stop.

It's anyone surprised? Bashing anything AMD is literally the only reason he's here.

 

[raghu78]

Thanks for ruining a good thread Sontin. All the GE titles I had ran great on Nvidia hardware. AMD had issues in Far Cry 3 (Still does) and Crysis 3. You are really grasping at straws and throwing this whole discussion into a flame fest. I suggest you stop.

there is only one way out of it. people should stop responding to his posts. even better would be to put him on ignore.

 

[Gikaseixas]

If a game is crashing with all effects (especially Tessellation and TressFX) then it's a "lock out". If you can't see this...

Please stop right there. That's just a game that Nvidia was late in optimizing the drivers for it. It happens a lot on both sides but once the company releases drivers updates you usually see fixes and performance improvements.
It wasn't AMD's fault.

 

[Tweak155]

Not a fan of the line-up myself, but it still outdoes NVidia's offerings. Only slightly interested in a few titles.

Problem is - no mega awesome games are coming up. These are pretty much it.

I think I'd be all over a HL3 myself too lol.

 

[sontin]

Please stop right there. That's just a game that Nvidia was late in optimizing the drivers for it.

Nope. They optimized the driver for the code they got in advance of the release. The release code was much different and not worked with their driver. Crystal Dynamics released a game which was not ready for nVidia hardware.

It wasn't AMD's fault.

It's never AMD fault. I know. :awe:

 

[blackened23]

It's anyone surprised? Bashing anything AMD is literally the only reason he's here.

https://www.google.com/#output=sear...09,d.eWU&fp=d78f862414922e23&biw=1657&bih=903

Not just here, either: 24,400 results.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Half Life 3

Thats funny because as you might recall, HL2 was bundled with 9800 PRO back in the day
Im sure AMD wont let that one escape

 

[TY-1]

It will be interesting to see what/if Nvidia does to counter these bundles, since the bundles plus Radeon Cards' lower price point seem to be beating out the GTX 600 series. Perhaps Nvidia will do a bundle with Assassin's Creed Black Flag since they did a bundle with AC3 previously? Then again, it seems that Ubisoft is bundling more with AMD than Nvidia at the moment so maybe not.

As for people talking about Half-Life 3 possibly getting bundled, I don't think it would be included with either Nvidia or AMD cards. If Half-Life 3 ever comes out it would probably get bundled with Valve's Steambox. Since the Steambox is meant to go up against consoles one of the biggest obstacles to overcome is not necessarily performance but rather market presence. If Valve releases the Steambox with Half-Life 3 included, along with other Valve titles, gamers will go out and buy the Steambox and give Valve the market presence they need to compete against Sony and Microsoft in the "console wars".

 

[smithkt]

https://www.google.com/#output=sear...09,d.eWU&fp=d78f862414922e23&biw=1657&bih=903

Not just here, either: 24,400 results.

raghu78 is right. Guys like this can only derail these threads because everyone else allows him to. Ignore. Stop responding. Problem solved.

 

[Will Robinson]

I wonder where he was when NVDA had oceans of hidden and unnecessary tessellation? Pleading for justice for AMD on forums everywhere?
Paybacks a bitch ain't it.

 

[Ibra]

I wonder where he was when NVDA had oceans of hidden and unnecessary tessellation? Pleading for justice for AMD on forums everywhere?
Paybacks a bitch ain't it.

Will you drop fake info, lunatic?

http://maldotex.blogspot.com/2011/09/tesselation-myth-in-crysis-2-el-mito-de.html

 

[blackened23]

I wonder where he was when NVDA had oceans of hidden and unnecessary tessellation? Pleading for justice for AMD on forums everywhere?
Paybacks a bitch ain't it.

Sigh. Can we have a constructive discussion? For once.

 

[tincart]

Hahaha funny to see Lost Planet 3 on that list after LP2 was a poster child for tessellation on Nvidia hardware.

Funny how all the talk about tessellation as the killer feature seems to have dried up. I wonder why that happened...

 

[tviceman]

You know, you nv douche bags are f###ing pathetic you know that? Let's see nv's game bundle plan so we can all have a go at that. You start by posting it.

Wow you need to chill the hell out. Just because he isn't looking forward to most of the games doesn't mean he thinks AMD's efforts aren't worthwhile. No one here is denying that AMD is creating bigger & better bundles lately than Nvidia.

 

[Lonyo]

It's actually a somewhat reasonable spread of games.
There are FPS, third person/platformer, racing/sim, RTS.

Most people have some preference for some genres, so it's doubtful everything will appeal to everyone, but by having a variety of genres it's more likely at least one title will appeal.

If they were all FPS games, even if they were the best 5/10 FPS games, it would be bad because it only be one genre of game.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

So, the gist of this thread is now, AMD has driver issues it's AMD's fault. Nvidia has driver issues it's AMD's fault....

The comic relief was totally worth reading all the garbage being posted lolololol.

I'm also of the opinion that Nvidia had issues with tomb raider at launch because AMD and Crystal Dynamics wanted to avoid any information leaking about TressFX. Nvidia got code that did not have TressFX, and that's where the problems arose. If I remember correctly the game ran perfectly fine on Nvidia cards as long as TressFX was off. Kudos to nvidia for fixing their drivers quickly.

Really big kudos for both AMD and Nvidia on the driver front lately. Nvidia consistently keeping up their driver quality, and AMD making big strides in improving their driver program. The only thing that could make being a PC gaming enthusiast better right now would be new hardware from both vendors.

 

[Tweak155]

It will be interesting to see what/if Nvidia does to counter these bundles, since the bundles plus Radeon Cards' lower price point seem to be beating out the GTX 600 series. Perhaps Nvidia will do a bundle with Assassin's Creed Black Flag since they did a bundle with AC3 previously? Then again, it seems that Ubisoft is bundling more with AMD than Nvidia at the moment so maybe not.

As for people talking about Half-Life 3 possibly getting bundled, I don't think it would be included with either Nvidia or AMD cards. If Half-Life 3 ever comes out it would probably get bundled with Valve's Steambox. Since the Steambox is meant to go up against consoles one of the biggest obstacles to overcome is not necessarily performance but rather market presence. If Valve releases the Steambox with Half-Life 3 included, along with other Valve titles, gamers will go out and buy the Steambox and give Valve the market presence they need to compete against Sony and Microsoft in the "console wars".

Doing that with the Steambox would definitely get me to buy it.

 

[Rvenger]

there is only one way out of it. people should stop responding to his posts. even better would be to put him on ignore.

Thank you