AMD goes fermi

[Grooveriding]

So is this how to concede an argument? Don't admit to be wrong, but instead attack the reasons of points the other person is making by going after what you believe is their motives in a derogatory fashion? Is this not a personal attack?

No dude. There is no point responding to trash like that. It just derails off into oblivion. Then he'll go to something else, then something else after that. It all boils down to the consistency of a pure whine over something positive to do with AMD.

One tangent to another tangent to another tangent and nothing relevant to the actual topic.

It's verbal diarrhea. Free flowing refuse of no use.


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[Lonbjerg]

So this post:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1662199

Bought here: http://www.plaisio.gr/

Did 1125core/1575memory, the maximum possible in AMD overdrive, no voltage able to be added yet. Same overclocking results many of the reviewers cards did, but this is a retail card. Notably at this speed the card is about as fast as a GTX 590 or 6990, a monster.

I'm looking forward to whatever nv releases eventually too, but I'm a realist and have seen all the current rumours. Enjoy the 4+ month wait and let's talk about it when it's actually here, and not an unannounced and unconfirmed product.

Initially reading the first OP I thought this was just a discussion thread, now seeing some more of your posts should of just called the thread 'Come in and here and bitch about the 7970 nvidia fanboys'

And this post:

Someone bought it, it's easy for you to accuse them of being a liar because it showed you as being completely wrong, and you can toss out accusations like that with no repercussions as you are discussing someone on another forum. Shameful.

Please link me to your equally tear ridden, angst filled and whiny post about the 480/470 paper launch. That must of equally outraged you I guess.

Sad. When you look at the thread on [h] it's nothing but people excited about a new launch and asking how the card does. Over here it's four or five whiners coating their sour grapes about AMD having the best card out currently with irrelevant nonsense.

Combiend with this post makes no sense.

More of the same ramblings from Lonbjerg, angry over yet another successful AMD launch.

I'll will ask you again:
Can YOU or I buy a 7970 today?

Failure to reply the question and instead post more personal attacks/red herrings I will take as you do know the answer...but refuse to answer.

 

[Grooveriding]

So this post:




And this post:



Combiend with this post makes no sense.



I'll will ask you again:
Can YOU or I buy a 7970 today?

Failure to reply the question and instead post more personal attacks/red herrings I will take as you do know the answer...but refuse to answer.

Someone was able to buy one. Could you or I ? Maybe, if we tried like the person who managed to purchase one, we very well could.

We have concrete evidence of someone who did buy one, so that completely crushes the assertion that you can't buy one. Use your brain.

Prove otherwise.

 

[NIGELG]

The card is not available to the general public until the 9th January,2012.

Never the less this thread does have the usual Nvidia whiners/trolls/nitpickers crying down the AMD 7970.That's how I see it.

Does anyone know when the 7950 1.5 GB reviews will be out?This might be a good card for 1080P gaming.

 

[tviceman]

Someone was able to buy one. Could you or I ? Maybe, if we tried like the person who managed to purchase one, we very well could.

We have concrete evidence of someone who did buy one, so that completely crushes the assertion that you can't buy one. Use your brain.

Prove otherwise.

I think both sides of this argument are basically slitting throats over semantics. The card is not officially for sale yet. The cards do not legally go on sale until Jan. 9th, but a few people have circumvented the system to obtain one. The overwhelmingly extreme majority of the potential buyers for this card do not have an opportunity to purchase it until Jan. 9th.

 

[NIGELG]

And why does this matter anyway?AMD themselves said the 9th January.

 

[tviceman]

The card is not available to the general public until the 9th January,2012.

Never the less this thread does have the usual Nvidia whiners/trolls/nitpickers crying down the AMD 7970.That's how I see it.

Does anyone know when the 7950 1.5 GB reviews will be out?This might be a good card for 1080P gaming.

I'm too lazy to look back at other threads to see it's release date. Does it release on the same day? If so then reviews on it should come out at the same time.

 

[SirPauly]

I think both sides of this argument are basically slitting throats over semantics. The card is not officially for sale yet. The cards do not legally go on sale until Jan. 9th, but a few people have circumvented the system to obtain one. The overwhelmingly extreme majority of the potential buyers for this card do not have an opportunity to purchase it until Jan. 9th.

It doesn't bother me and actually two weeks allows time for consumers to digest the information more. I like the older process of previews, allow some time to digest -- offer product -- why does it have to be offer data and launch the same day?

I suppose it may offer a perception point on execution though - look at us -- we offer PR only when our product is in volume, muhahaha, Rather have the potential of data and information first to reflect and digest the data and to see if the product fits my needs.

Both ways have their advantages and both wrong or correct -- depending on tolerances.

 

[SirPauly]

The card is not available to the general public until the 9th January,2012.

Never the less this thread does have the usual Nvidia whiners/trolls/nitpickers crying down the AMD 7970.That's how I see it.

Does anyone know when the 7950 1.5 GB reviews will be out?This might be a good card for 1080P gaming.

I like that word nit-pick!

 

[NIGELG]

I like that word nit-pick!

Lol.....but the whiners/trolls/baiters and their respondents can cause this thread to be shut down just like the first 7970 Thread was shut down.

So....are you going to upgrade to a 7XXX series card:sneaky:?

 

[blastingcap]

I'm too lazy to look back at other threads to see it's release date. Does it release on the same day? If so then reviews on it should come out at the same time.

I heard a rumor that the 7950 is available Jan. 9 as well, but it was just a rumor.

It doesn't bother me and actually two weeks allows time for consumers to digest the information more. I like the older process of previews, allow some time to digest -- offer product -- why does it have to be offer data and launch the same day?

I suppose it may offer a perception point on execution though - look at us -- we offer PR only when our product is in volume, muhahaha, Rather have the potential of data and information first to reflect and digest the data and to see if the product fits my needs.

Both ways have their advantages and both wrong or correct -- depending on tolerances.

I agree that 1-2 weeks is okay. A month or more is too long, but that is imho.

Lol.....but the whiners/trolls/baiters and their respondents can cause this thread to be shut down just like the first 7970 Thread was shut down.

The flaming has gotten to the point where I think some people on here have financial interest at stake with either AMD or NVDA. If that's NOT the case, then all this flaming is even sadder--because then it's a bunch of presumably grown men arguing about which of their latest toys is better. Grow up and stop the flaming, guys, it's just a video card. If you want to argue over GPUs at least argue over supercomputing or pro graphics or something that affects the lives of non-gamers as well as gamers.

 

[piesquared]

I heard a rumor that the 7950 is available Jan. 9 as well, but it was just a rumor.



I agree that 1-2 weeks is okay. A month or more is too long, but that is imho.



The flaming has gotten to the point where I think some people on here have financial interest at stake with either AMD or NVDA. If that's NOT the case, then all this flaming is even sadder--because then it's a bunch of presumably grown men arguing about which of their latest toys is better. Grow up and stop the flaming, guys, it's just a video card. If you want to argue over GPUs at least argue over supercomputing or pro graphics or something that affects the lives of non-gamers as well as gamers.

I'd say that there are clearly many with stock interests posting on many forums. Its not just NV v AMD though, the same **** happens in CPU sections. The overlying theme is for AMD to fail. Who benefits from that? AMD short sellers of course, and the forum posts are consistent across many sites. Pretty sad really that these shills attempt to mould the opinion of a product for their own gain and the real enthusiasts get manipulated so bad in the process.


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[dust]

I heard a rumor that the 7950 is available Jan. 9 as well, but it was just a rumor.



I agree that 1-2 weeks is okay. A month or more is too long, but that is imho.



The flaming has gotten to the point where I think some people on here have financial interest at stake with either AMD or NVDA. If that's NOT the case, then all this flaming is even sadder--because then it's a bunch of presumably grown men arguing about which of their latest toys is better. Grow up and stop the flaming, guys, it's just a video card. If you want to argue over GPUs at least argue over supercomputing or pro graphics or something that affects the lives of non-gamers as well as gamers.

You get a lot of :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: for this post, hopefully some of them will poke these sinners in the eye

 

[taltamir]

Taltamir, I'm having trouble following what it is, exactly, that you are upset with here but AMD does not sell 7970's. AMD sells the GPU, their AIB's are the 7970 sellers (and even then you are likely not buying from the AIB but rather from a reseller like Newegg or tigerdirect).

I believe AMD if they say they have launched their GPU, but that doesn't mean the AIB's have launched their video cards or that the resellers have them listed for sale.

There is a whole supply chain here to manage. AMD's part is done, its launched, but that doesn't mean everyone else in the supply chain has their part done.

Regardless, why you mad bro? Whats with all the angst "AMD lied!" going on here? Were you counting on buying one sometime between the "launch" date and the reseller availability date? I don't get the frustration you are exuding in your post

I am not angsting here, I just call a paper launch when I see it...
And for the record, yes I do call out nVidia when they do paper launches; I loathe paper launches no matter who does them.

As for why I brought it up, it was merely a reply to the argument that "today, you are better off buying a 7970 than <insert card here>" which is not true because today you cannot buy a 7970, unless you find a store that got early stock and convince an employee to break the rules by selling to you early. When stock is available, then the 7970 will be a better buy, unless prices are slashed by competitors, and until the next gen competitors arrive. then things might change or 7970 might remain the better buy. But its all in the future.

The way this thread went is just making me sad; especially the fact that nobody at all seems willing to discuss the actual architectures...
Any chance we can lock it in favor of a new one called "Academic Discussion of the Architectural similarities between Fermi and GNC"? Because this is something I would like to discuss and this ain't gonna happen here.

 

[GaiaHunter]

The way this thread went is just making me sad; especially the fact that nobody at all seems willing to discuss the actual architectures...
Any chance we can lock it in favor of a new one called "Academic Discussion of the Architectural similarities between Fermi and GNC"? Because this is something I would like to discuss and this ain't gonna happen here.

Your premise is that GCN is like Fermi architecture and this kind of architecture isn't as good for gaming but better for computing.

Fermi problem was never that it was slow for gaming though.

What these architectures do is sacrifice some power efficiency and an hypothetical larger performance increase for the same die space (if the architecture actually scales).

Can you point any significant evidence that GCN shaders are less powerful that 5870/6970 shaders?

Are Fermi shaders any less powerful than GT200 and G80 shaders?

The fact is we entered a time where performance gives less IQ.

A few years ago IQ improved much faster, higher performance allowed you to play at higher resolutions, etc.

Starting from 0 allows changes and improvements to feel much more pronounced.

But we seem to have reached a point where there needs to be some innovation breakthrough or the only chance to keep improving performance/IQ is to dilute the R&D costs by performing other tasks with these expensive pieces of hardware.

 

[Vesku]

 

[SirPauly]

What are you basing your performance metrics on?

 

[Vesku]

Rounding of percents taken from:

 

[Idontcare]

I am not angsting here, I just call a paper launch when I see it...
And for the record, yes I do call out nVidia when they do paper launches; I loathe paper launches no matter who does them.

As for why I brought it up, it was merely a reply to the argument that "today, you are better off buying a 7970 than <insert card here>" which is not true because today you cannot buy a 7970, unless you find a store that got early stock and convince an employee to break the rules by selling to you early. When stock is available, then the 7970 will be a better buy, unless prices are slashed by competitors, and until the next gen competitors arrive. then things might change or 7970 might remain the better buy. But its all in the future.

The way this thread went is just making me sad; especially the fact that nobody at all seems willing to discuss the actual architectures...
Any chance we can lock it in favor of a new one called "Academic Discussion of the Architectural similarities between Fermi and GNC"? Because this is something I would like to discuss and this ain't gonna happen here.

Absolutely, a cerebral discussion on the "Differences and Similarities in Microarchitecture and Design Philosophies of Fermi and Tahiti" would be a wonderful addition to the forum. Feel free to open one.

Closing this thread per the OP's request.

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