:thumbsup:This type of post might not violate any rules, and I am only posting this as a fellow member of this community and not as a mod, but this style of posting with super-big font is annoying as all hell. Why do it when all its going to accompish is the annoyance of anyone reading your post?
Surely there are more convincing, more productive ways to communicate your position?
Where is this Kepler of which you speak?
You mean some unreleased project that may or may not be faster than HD7970..if and when it finally arrives?
Perhaps waiting to see how awesome it is before stating how easily it will beat AMD's latest GPU would be advisable...
Huge performance? I don't consider that huge -- what is are the leaps like the 9700 pro or 8800 GTX over their respective generations.
Small die is some-what intact but on the rise but one thing that is not in debate is their pricing is on the rise.
It's a good chip and since there is huge and fantastic performance now for you, there is hope for you to garner an AMD platform.
But you always say that GPU'S have hit a wall and it's all about features....LOL.Don't know why you still expect these types of leaps between generations.Huge performance? I don't consider that huge -- what is are the leaps like the 9700 pro or 8800 GTX over their respective generations.
Small die is some-what intact but on the rise but one thing that is not in debate is their pricing is on the rise.
It's a good chip and since there is huge and fantastic performance now for you, there is hope for you to garner an AMD platform.
Get over it, the days of the 9700Pro and 8800GTX are over.
Same broken record from you. Where were you complaining about the gain of the 280 over the 8800GTX or the 480 over the 285. Same type of performance gain seen with 7970 over 6970.
Your argument continues to be empty, backed by no data and contradicted by data I provided.
Do you have anything else ?
A lot of us are thoroughly impressed with the new single GPU king being near or faster than the past generations dual-gpu cards when overclocked. The same could not be said of the 280 over the 9800GX2, the 5870 over the 4870X2 or the 480 over the 295.
So why are you complaining exactly ? A lot of us are looking at seeing these benchmarks and the corresponding impressive performance. Do you know something we don't ?
Or is there another reason you aren't mentioning that the 7970 does not please you ? Because your current reason you are giving is contradicted by plenty of the data out there.
But you always say that GPU'S have hit a wall and it's all about features....LOL.Don't know why you still expect these types of leaps between generations.
I don't care if this is normal.If AMD or Nvidia wants to price their top end single GPU'S at 500 PLUS bucks I don't care.I want them pushing each other hard.Isn't the 7970 ALMOST 50% FASTER than the 6970?My expectations are between 50-75 percent increase and to redefine the performance value of the price-point, especially with a new arch with a significant node change.
For example for 400 MSRP last generation, I expect 50-75 percent more performance for the new generation for the same 400 MSRP. Not for the MSRP to jump significantly with much less than a 50-75 percent gain in performance over their past architecture.
The question is why would you think this is normal?
A lot of us are thoroughly impressed with the new single GPU king being near or faster than the past generations dual-gpu cards when overclocked. The same could not be said of the 280 over the 9800GX2, the 5870 over the 4870X2 or the 480 over the 295.
I believe you should reconsider, GTX280 was close to 9800GX2 @ 1200/1600p when OverClocked and GTX280 was in par or better than GTX295 at default settings.
GTX280 review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2549/11
GTX480 review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/...tx-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-/9
Ah. So, the 7970 has brought the same gains seen in the past. Exactly my point. He's fabricating a falsehood to predicate his disappointment. Your own assessment shows the same thing I have been saying.
Just be nice to clear out the whining and sour grapes posts from the green team and just discuss the 7970 without the taint of sour grapes.
Demanding titles from Anandtech's Review = HD6990 vs. HD7970
Crysis 2 (1920x1200) = +32%
Crysis 2 (2560x1600) = +34%
Min. framerate = +44-48% (1920x1200/2560x1600)
Metro 2033 (1920x1200) = +31%
Metro 2033 (2560x1600) = +32%
Shogun 2 (1920x1200) = +25%
Shogun 2 (2560x1600) = +25%
Battlefield 3 (1920x1200) = +34%
Battlefield 3 (2560x1600) = +36%
You think HD7970 is going to gain 30-35% through driver improvements?
Aren't most of those games favored by NVIDIA GPUs?
HD7970 is fine, 30-40% average performance gains over previous gen HD6970, my problem is the price.
@Arkadrel
The problem is that HD7970 replaces HD6970 and not GTX580, HD6970 was NOT a $500 card.
It may seams logical to cost $550 now that it is the fastest card, but we should remember what card it replaces and at what price point.
BTW, AMD didn't change their small die strategy at all. If they did, I estimate that SI would be up to 30% larger, which is where Nvidia will be IMO.
AMD is charging what the market will bear, problem? I will use an oft repeated phrase when people like to describe Nvidia. AMD is not a charity. As a consumer, I'd love to be able to buy a 7970 for $150, but if I was setting prices at AMD, I would put it about where it is now. When Nvidia responds, you adjust accordingly.No, they didn't, just changed their pricing strategy by over 30 percent - very aggressive and predator like.
The 7970 replaced the 6970? Does that mean the 6970's are no longer available?
AMD is charging what the market will bear, problem? I will use an oft repeated phrase when people like to describe Nvidia. AMD is not a charity. As a consumer, I'd love to be able to buy a 7970 for $150, but if I was setting prices at AMD, I would put it about where it is now. When Nvidia responds, you adjust accordingly.