AMD gone crazy

[StanTheMan]

Hey all....
just wanted to express my concern about AMD processor price...
We who lives in Australia do not enjoy the same benefit as our mates living in US.
New hardware enters our country maybe around 1 month or more, laging behind its launch date in US.
recently I was surprised when I see the price between AMD procesor and Intel.

AMD XP 2800 (2.25 Ghz) = AU$ 760
AMD XP 3000 (2.16 Ghz) = AU$ 1170
Intel P4 2.8Ghz = AU$ 740
Intel P4 3 Ghz = AU$ 1195

http://www.austin-computers.com.au/products.asp

geez... you see, intel is cheaper in 2.8Ghz part, and only slightly more expensive in 3 Ghz part.
but for AMD proc, its fake 3 ghz part are actually slower than its fake 2800 part.

I think it would be best if all shops could stand together and say, we don't want to fool our customer, and sell a slow processor with a hyperly inflated price. therefore we demand AMD to lower its fake 2.8 and 3 ghz procs

hehehe....

sigh...

is there still any advantage of buying AMD and not intel at the moment?
anyway, benchmark wise, Intel is faster??

opinion pls

 

[eklass]

read something... no seriously, go read any review/benchmark of intel vs amd anywhere on the net

one outperforms the other every other time in every third test...

in other words... they're more or less equal

edit: let me add, "IMO" as my fire extinguisher

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

If you have the money for an Athlon XP 3000, then get the 3.06ghz cpu since it has hyperthreading. I would personally go with Intel since they are a lot more stable.

 

[holdencommodore]

At the moment the 2800+ and 3000+ are still very rare in Australia, infact, that is the first retailer I've seen that has them advertised. Most likely, within a few weeks, when other retailers get ahold of them, the price will fall.

Cheers

 

[Ketchup]

AMD has always had chips that were more or less, just as fast as Intel's. But AMD didn't have the name Intel had, so they allurred their customers with lower prices. Now that AMD thinks it is every bit as good as Intel, they have raised their prices to match them. AMD does still offer their lower grade chips much cheaper than Intel, but AMD chips still depreciate a lot faster than Intel chips do.

I am not saying that AMD's chips aren't as good as Intel's, but there is something to be said for public opinion, and Intel is still the biggest chip-maker in the world.

 

[m1ke101]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
If you have the money for an Athlon XP 3000, then get the 3.06ghz cpu since it has hyperthreading. I would personally go with Intel since they are a lot more stable.

Whats that supposed to mean? amd cpu's aren't stable?

 

[Macro2]

RE:"I would personally go with Intel since they are a lot more stable."

You surely aren't talking about the CPUs...
Do you mean the companies themselves?

 

[Ice9]

Originally posted by: Macro2
RE:"I would personally go with Intel since they are a lot more stable."

You surely aren't talking about the CPUs...
Do you mean the companies themselves?

He means the platform as a whole.

That's all anyone means when they talk about "AMD" and "Stability" in the same sentence.

-k

 

[compudog]

Stability has nothing to do with anything. Both AMD and Intel are equally stable. AMD on nForce2 is as stable as Intel on Intel. The AMD stability issues were with some older VIA chipset, IIRC, and has been resolved. I'm tired of reading from the Intel fanboys than AMD isn't stable. I am a stable computer fanboy, and I am running AMD. If Intel was more stable IMO, then I would have an Intel CPU.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Well, that past does matter. My dad is an all intel guy. I finally talked him into an Athlon XP 1700+ last to last December. We bought it with an Asus mobo. We set it up, put the fan on backwards (there was no manual or anything) and burned it. They replaced that since the fan came didn't come with a manual. Then, when we had it all working, we tried updating the Bios, we redid the whole thing, it just wouldn't work. We finally found out, that it wouldn't support my 60gig Western Digital hard drive. That was a brand spankin new 60 gig drive and at the time, that was really really big, its pretty big today but the 200gig drives make it obsolete.

Anyways, the thing is, the ONE time we tried to go for AMD, we burned a CPU and found out the Asus mobo wasn't compatible with the Hard Drive. I was pretty shocked by the hard drive problem

Another thing to note from that, when people try something new one time and are dissapointed, it takes a lot of difference to pick that. Its kind of like Bose speakers, my dad buys the best Bose speakers they have to offer at the time. We went into Ovation, and they started reccomending all this other junk. That guys reasoning hasn't changed his mind at all since he loves the sound those speakers give since the sound is "richer," (not money wise, lol).

Also, the chipsets for Athlon processors and the cpu together, sometimes run into problems where it just freezes or something. With my intel cpus and intel chipsets, I haven't had any problems of that sort yet. That is why I don't consider Athlons stable. Lets not argue over this since it wo n't change our minds either, but I hope this just brings another point of view to everything.

A little side note: We ended up spending a total of 24 hours trying to get that thing to work, but just couldn't. When we got the Intel stuff, it worked on the first shot without any problems.

EDIT: Anyways, the thing is, the ONE time we tried to go for AMD, we burned a CPU and found out the Asus mobo wasn't compatible with the Hard Drive.

 

[ElFenix]

put the fan on backwards or put the heat sink on backwards? the fan shouldn't really matter... the heatsink... well, i'm not going there

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Well, that past does matter. My dad is an all intel guy. I finally talked him into an Athlon XP 1700+ last to last December. We bought it with an Asus mobo. We set it up, put the fan on backwards (there was no manual or anything) and burned it. They replaced that since the fan came didn't come with a manual.

I really like the heatsink that comes on the Intel Pentium 4 processor. You can't put it on wrong, and you don't have to apply tons of force to get it latched. I don't think the clip was the worst idea in the world, but do you know how frustrating it is so exert tons of force on a flimsy piece of metal and have it break on you as soon as you get it attached?

 

[clicknext]

Originally posted by: m1ke101

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
If you have the money for an Athlon XP 3000, then get the 3.06ghz cpu since it has hyperthreading. I would personally go with Intel since they are a lot more stable.

Whats that supposed to mean? amd cpu's aren't stable?

Old rumors and impressions stick. Didn't AMD get their reputation for being unstable from the 1.4ghz Tbird and some processors long before that? I don't think the Tbird was unstable either... but definately hot...

 

[Ophir]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
put the fan on backwards or put the heat sink on backwards? the fan shouldn't really matter... the heatsink... well, i'm not going there

I second this opinion

 

[mrman3k]

n00b, AMD procs are not less stable than Intel procs!

Do not believe those old rumors. Some people say that they may crush the core, but I really like how AMD leaves the core right there so that it can come in contact directly with the heatsink instead of going through an IHS, then to the heatsink.

 

[Ophir]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
found out the Asus mobo wasn't compatible with the CPU.

How was the CPU not compatible with the mobo? Lemme guess, you tried to pop in a XP1700+ into an old revision A7V133, and it didn't work. You may have been a little better served doing some research beforehand. It's really unfair to blame the CPU manufacturer or a chipset maker for your own mistakes.

it takes a lot of difference to pick that. Its kind of like Bose speakers, my dad buys the best Bose speakers they have to offer at the time. We went into Ovation, and they started reccomending all this other junk. That guys reasoning hasn't changed his mind at all since he loves the sound those speakers give since the sound is "richer," (not money wise, lol).

Don't even get me started on Bose speakers ... biggest waste of money I have ever seen.

 

[UncleWai]

putting fan backward = human error
60gb hdd not working = motherboard problem

I've built computer with duron, tbird, xp palomino, xp t-bred b, kt133, kt133a, kt266, kt333, sis735,
never have I encountered any compatible issues.
If there are problems, it's always human error.
I'll admit I did something wrong rather than blaming on amd.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
If you have the money for an Athlon XP 3000, then get the 3.06ghz cpu since it has hyperthreading. I would personally go with Intel since they are a lot more stable.

LOL, you're shooting your own foot on this.

Edit: AMD has not gone crazy. They are priced accordingly to what Intel has priced it and their performance are about the same. You can't afford AMD to price their CPU way below competitor's price at the same performance.

 

[T9D]

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[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Well, that past does matter. My dad is an all intel guy. I finally talked him into an Athlon XP 1700+ last to last December. We bought it with an Asus mobo. We set it up, put the fan on backwards (there was no manual or anything) and burned it. They replaced that since the fan came didn't come with a manual. Then, when we had it all working, we tried updating the Bios, we redid the whole thing, it just wouldn't work. We finally found out, that it wouldn't support my 60gig Western Digital hard drive. That was a brand spankin new 60 gig drive and at the time, that was really really big, its pretty big today but the 200gig drives make it obsolete.

Anyways, the thing is, the ONE time we tried to go for AMD, we burned a CPU and found out the Asus mobo wasn't compatible with the CPU. I was pretty shocked by the hard drive problem

Another thing to note from that, when people try something new one time and are dissapointed, it takes a lot of difference to pick that. Its kind of like Bose speakers, my dad buys the best Bose speakers they have to offer at the time. We went into Ovation, and they started reccomending all this other junk. That guys reasoning hasn't changed his mind at all since he loves the sound those speakers give since the sound is "richer," (not money wise, lol).

Also, the chipsets for Athlon processors and the cpu together, sometimes run into problems where it just freezes or something. With my intel cpus and intel chipsets, I haven't had any problems of that sort yet. That is why I don't consider Athlons stable. Lets not argue over this since it wo n't change our minds either, but I hope this just brings another point of view to everything.

A little side note: We ended up spending a total of 24 hours trying to get that thing to work, but just couldn't. When we got the Intel stuff, it worked on the first shot without any problems.

LOL. I'm not even gonna start on this.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Well, that past does matter. My dad is an all intel guy. I finally talked him into an Athlon XP 1700+ last to last December. We bought it with an Asus mobo. We set it up, put the fan on backwards (there was no manual or anything) and burned it. They replaced that since the fan came didn't come with a manual. Then, when we had it all working, we tried updating the Bios, we redid the whole thing, it just wouldn't work. We finally found out, that it wouldn't support my 60gig Western Digital hard drive. That was a brand spankin new 60 gig drive and at the time, that was really really big, its pretty big today but the 200gig drives make it obsolete.

Anyways, the thing is, the ONE time we tried to go for AMD, we burned a CPU and found out the Asus mobo wasn't compatible with the CPU. I was pretty shocked by the hard drive problem

Another thing to note from that, when people try something new one time and are dissapointed, it takes a lot of difference to pick that. Its kind of like Bose speakers, my dad buys the best Bose speakers they have to offer at the time. We went into Ovation, and they started reccomending all this other junk. That guys reasoning hasn't changed his mind at all since he loves the sound those speakers give since the sound is "richer," (not money wise, lol).

Also, the chipsets for Athlon processors and the cpu together, sometimes run into problems where it just freezes or something. With my intel cpus and intel chipsets, I haven't had any problems of that sort yet. That is why I don't consider Athlons stable. Lets not argue over this since it wo n't change our minds either, but I hope this just brings another point of view to everything.

A little side note: We ended up spending a total of 24 hours trying to get that thing to work, but just couldn't. When we got the Intel stuff, it worked on the first shot without any problems.

LOL. I'm not even gonna start on this.

Sounds like an advertisement for Dell, dude.

 

[paralazarguer]

A little side note: We ended up spending a total of 24 hours trying to get that thing to work, but just couldn't. When we got the Intel stuff, it worked on the first shot without any problems.

That's because you had no idea what you were doing and didn't follow directions. What's that? It didn't come with directions? So...look em up online. It's all there. Another part of your problem is that you bought the wrong parts. Guess what, buy a socket 478 P4 and it's not going to work in a 423 board. same thing. You just were a clueless newb who bought incompatible parts (your fault) and didn't know how to put it together (also your fault-guides everywhere online.)

If you don't know enough about socket A (which you obviously don't) then you shouldn't be randomly buying parts. You need to find out which parts are compatible. It's the same with intel. The only difference is that you're familiar with Intel. Also, the heatsink installation was user STUPIDITY. Read a manual or guide online. Seriously. If you don't know what you're doing or even what the parts really are why are you doing this? Read about it first! I wouldn't have taken that burnt athlon back. It's your fault.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Well, that past does matter. My dad is an all intel guy. I finally talked him into an Athlon XP 1700+ last to last December. We bought it with an Asus mobo. We set it up, put the fan on backwards (there was no manual or anything) and burned it. They replaced that since the fan came didn't come with a manual. Then, when we had it all working, we tried updating the Bios, we redid the whole thing, it just wouldn't work. We finally found out, that it wouldn't support my 60gig Western Digital hard drive. That was a brand spankin new 60 gig drive and at the time, that was really really big, its pretty big today but the 200gig drives make it obsolete.

Anyways, the thing is, the ONE time we tried to go for AMD, we burned a CPU and found out the Asus mobo wasn't compatible with the CPU. I was pretty shocked by the hard drive problem

Another thing to note from that, when people try something new one time and are dissapointed, it takes a lot of difference to pick that. Its kind of like Bose speakers, my dad buys the best Bose speakers they have to offer at the time. We went into Ovation, and they started reccomending all this other junk. That guys reasoning hasn't changed his mind at all since he loves the sound those speakers give since the sound is "richer," (not money wise, lol).

Also, the chipsets for Athlon processors and the cpu together, sometimes run into problems where it just freezes or something. With my intel cpus and intel chipsets, I haven't had any problems of that sort yet. That is why I don't consider Athlons stable. Lets not argue over this since it wo n't change our minds either, but I hope this just brings another point of view to everything.

A little side note: We ended up spending a total of 24 hours trying to get that thing to work, but just couldn't. When we got the Intel stuff, it worked on the first shot without any problems.

LOL. I'm not even gonna start on this.

Sounds like an advertisement for Dell, dude.

Someone in this thread needs to get one.

 

[yhelothar]

sad... i just don't see how anyone could invest $1000 in something.. and don't even read a little about it.. especially something that requires some FOREKNOWLEDGE...

and yes AMD is not a cheaper alternative.. there's no reason why it should cost any less than intel..

amd does not want the image of being the cheaper alternative.. that's why they are bumping the prices up...

plus AMD is not slower.. and it's only fake to fool people that don't give a crap about comps, and therefore knows nothing.. i'm surprised an anandtecher would not know that AMD is as fast and Intel, model number for clock speed..

 

[Ketchup]

Don't even get me started on Bose speakers ... biggest waste of money I have ever seen.

I agree, I think Polk speakers sound much better, especially once you factor the money you save.