Sure they did.
Will be interesting to see how a 8000 or 9000 series fx "8" core processor will perform against something like my i5 2500 non k.
Doubt a major platform change from Intel to Amd is in my future but if somehow having a fx8350 or similar processor gives a major advantage performance or game experience wise in BF4 over a lowly locked down i5 non k i would gladly make the switch.
Got a feeling its just a ton of hype,hopefully the open beta answers the questions many people have.
No, that would be a member call out which is not allowed per the ToS.
I have a GCN GPU, I wasn't going to purchase BF4 though - at least not until it goes bargain bin in the hopes you spend $70 more after paying $10 for the game to pick up the DLC.
That said I will watch how this plays out with great interest, there could be a flip side to this, where it spawns an open version that is supported directly by both AMD and Nvidia to increase the overall performance of ALL PC users.
That is the only positive I can see from this, admittedly, it has massive potential. But I don't want to get ahead of myself, could be mostly multithreading for the jaguar cpu and bulldozer/piledriver and of very little benefit to the GPUs actual performance.
Another possible, wait didn't I just say there was only one? Erm, well anyways, another possible outcome is Microsoft revising DX, long shot, but certainly possible with the looming threat of Linux/Steam and now this... Maybe M$ will wake the BLEEP up.
For games that don't bother using mantle, you get no benefit to using AMD hardware. We don't even know the actual performance benefit. Could be anything.
It sounds nice but like you I feel it's hype. Trying to take a jab at the industry for getting console contracts while drawing attention away from their rebadged cards and potential of having a $600 card that doesn't match the GTX 780.
That said I will watch how this plays out with great interest, there could be a flip side to this, where it spawns an open version that is supported directly by both AMD and Nvidia to increase the overall performance of ALL PC users.
DX11.2 is directly optimized for the Xbox One. It is the API the system uses. If you make a game for the Xbox One it's using DX11+
Open beta is like a drug dealer giving out free samples, not this joe!
Quoting and discussing what someone posted is not "calling them out".No, that would be a member call out which is not allowed per the ToS.
I can tell you didn't actually listen, or at least understand what the audio stuff was all about.Nothing exciting, further alienating users with exclusive stuff, better performance in BF4 (will wait for benchmarks naturally).
We really need see the benchmarks, but it does not look impressive.
The audio was the worst part, why are companies trying to reinvent audio in 2013. They even mention how it reduces cpu, well that does not matter anymore. lol
Considering the boost Mantle could give to a steambox, MS and Sony may wind up being downright hostile to it.
I don't play on consoles.
Fourth, the console market which is at least as big (or bigger) as the PC gaming is on AMD.
I understand that but mantle is made for gcn which the xbone is packing. It should easily run on ps4 and xbone which most cross platform devs will be screaming for in order to save money.
Lock it to dx11.2 and devs could theoretically just refuse to release games on the Xbox. Microsoft has already capitulated once to gamers this generation and developers are far more integral to their success.
I really wonder if anyone at Microsoft has had that "oh my science!" Moment about what this implies, or if they are as out of touch with reality as they seem?
I can do most things I want, including pointing out the hypocrisy of people who support this but spend their time in other threads complaining about Intel compilers and PhysX.
I just can't name names, but everyone already knows who they are anyways.
According to a 2013 GDC Survey, there are more game developers working on the PC gaming platform (ie. an open platform) than on Xbox 360/PS3/Xbox1/PS4/WiiU gaming platforms combined: http://www.pcper.com/image/view/26810?return=node/57590 . On top of that, there will be ultra mobile gaming platforms and cloud gaming platforms that will become seriously good in the near future. The writing is on the wall so to speak, and open platform gaming in general is the next big wave of the future.
Mantle goes on top, not replaces DX from what I'm reading.
Like, Battlefield 4 still runs in DX11.
So could this be the secret sauce valve is using to get games playable in Linux?
I can't wait to learn more about this.
I kinda have mixed feelings on this.
On one hand, the PC NEEDS a lower level API than DirectX or OpenGL. I don't know how much of our hardware potential is untapped due to added layers, but I know it's significant.
DirectX 11 did quite a bit to remedy the draw call issue by adding multithreaded rendering, and command lists etcetera and making the Direct3D pipeline much more efficient, but it's still nowhere near as good as what the consoles get.
I don't like the proprietary way that AMD is going about doing this though. And before anyone says, this is NOTHING like PhysX. This is much more significant.
AMD seems to have formed a technological alliance with EA to promote this technology.
NVidia has also formed a technological alliance with Ubisoft. So what if NVidia now announces a similar API to Mantle that's designed to tap into NVidia hardware at a much deeper level than what DirectX offers, with Ubisoft games supporting it?
It wouldn't be good. :\
Hum...no I don't think so. Valve is sort of partnered with Nvidia to bring good driver support to SteamOS. Right now Nvidia cannot use Mantle.
That partnership was a massive troll though. Has something official been released?
NVidia has also formed a technological alliance with Ubisoft. So what if NVidia now announces a similar API to Mantle that's designed to tap into NVidia hardware at a much deeper level than what DirectX offers, with Ubisoft games supporting it?
It wouldn't be good. :\
Mantle goes on top, not replaces DX from what I'm reading.
Like, Battlefield 4 still runs in DX11 but mantle runs on top and allows further optimization to the hardware.
Am I misunderstanding? Do all devs need to rewrite every single game engine in existence now? I doubt that.
Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense to pursue a IHV-specific graphics API at this point in time when OpenGL/DirectX/etc. are in place and still evolving. And game console graphics hardware is a moving target that can easily change from one generation to another (in fact, it happens all the time).
Nvidia has committed to help with linux driver support. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7367/nvidia-pledges-help-on-open-source-linux-gpu-driver-development
This announcement just happens to fall the day after SteamOS reveal. Right now there's nothing definite, but...
No mention of valve or steam at all. All it says is they will make some documentation available and maybe answer some questions about how their drivers work.
SteamOS runs off linux. 2+2 = 4
I'm just saying they have intentions to improve linux drivers.