AMD GPU14 Tech Event Sept 25 - AMD Hawiian Islands

[SithSolo1]

Part of the Star Citizen team will be at the announcement as well.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Considering what MS is saying, and what we know about PC gaming that chip would be an utter flop due to its anemic CPU.

On the other hand, Sony, seems to be pretty pleased with their own console.

As I said in the CPU thread, how do we know it just isn't MS trying to shuffle blame somewhere else?

For example, I remember NVIDIA criticizing TSMC for their poor 40 nm node that was causing Fermi problems. Meanwhile AMD was happily releasing its own products without criticizing TSMC.

I know the following is based on anonymous sources but PR is barely better.

http://www.ibtimes.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-sony-playstation-4-50-faster-microsoft-xbone-1406064
"Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer."
[...]
"Sony and Microsoft are each still working on the graphics drivers for each console, and Xbox One is lagging behind in this regard – Microsoft “has been late on their drivers and that has been hurting them,” said one source. Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers less charitably as “horrible”. Both consoles’ graphics drivers will continue to improve right up to – and beyond – launch, which will even up the difference in performance a little."

 

[Gloomy]

It's obvious the Xbone is bandwidth starved. I'm not sure why this is news... we've been dealing with bandwidth starved IGPs for ages. Please tell me I'm not the only one that saw that coming. :\

 

[blackened23]

Well, MS' certainly has not capitulated in the console wars. MS has not admitted defeat nor will they - they brought up some good points a few days ago about how their ESRAM can be leveraged in terms of performance, which raised some good points. The xbox 360 did something similar and honestly, I think the 360 was a better console than the PS3 - despite the PS3 having a better CPU. In terms of shader performance the PS4 obviously wins, but it's hard to make an apples to apples comparison there.

Anyway, I think it's safe to say the console crowd aren't tech nerds so this will matter little to the people that actually buy consoles. If anything, the 100$ higher price tag of the XB1 will hurt it more than any perceptions that tech nerds have about performance - the target market for consoles simply don't care. They look at the games and online experience (XBLG was WAY better than PSN online) and that is about it.

I do predict the PS4 to win simply because of cost this time around, like I mentioned.

 

[railven]

Well, MS' certainly has not capitulated in the console wars. MS has not admitted defeat nor will they - they brought up some good points a few days ago about how their ESRAM can be leveraged in terms of performance, which raised some good points. The xbox 360 did something similar and honestly, I think the 360 was a better console than the PS3 - despite the PS3 having a better CPU. In terms of shader performance the PS4 obviously wins, but it's hard to make an apples to apples comparison there.

PS3 vs Xbox360 was backwards. 360 had a more robust GPU, a unified shared memory pool, and the EDRAM only provided buffer storage not texture storage.

This time around PS4 has Xbone beat on all that and they both share an anemic CPU.

Microsoft's first studio demo can't even hit 720p @ 30 FPS render targets. That isn't a good thing for your console.

 

[monstercameron]

maybe they will release some infos on that 800+sp kaveri sku?

 

[railven]

Welps at this point, sign me up. Let's see what AMD brings to the table. I stupidly got an itch to buy new toys.

 

[Elfear]

I have a sinking feeling that the announcement today will be for GPU's available in 2014. The title of the webcast and ads we've seen seem to indicate that.

I actually like paper launches because it gives consumers a chance to see performance comparisons, decide what/if they want to buy, and then ready themselves for availability. I remember for the 8800GTX hard launch, by the time I got done reading reviews all the cards were gone. Had to wait around until stock came back in which was pretty spotty for the first couple weeks IIRC. Had I known the performance before the cards were available for sale I could have sat on Newegg with my F5 oiled and ready.

I don't like 3+ months paper launches however. A week or two is about the max that makes sense to me.

 

[pcslookout]

You are the most funniest person ever. In such a bad way.

 

[pcslookout]

Welps at this point, sign me up. Let's see what AMD brings to the table. I stupidly got an itch to buy new toys.

Yeah same here.

 

[z28dreams]

Any predictions for mid-level cards?

I'm looking at something like the 7950 in the $180-$200 range, and curious how this will affect it or what new alternatives might come out.

 

[pcslookout]

We need another Geforce 8800 GT.

 

[Sohaltang]

Any predictions for mid-level cards?

I'm looking at something like the 7950 in the $180-$200 range, and curious how this will affect it or what new alternatives might come out.

Rebadged cards? You can pick up a 7950 now in that price range

 

[Despoiler]

I posted this in the speculation thread.

Chris Roberts of Robert Space Industries/Star Citizen (highest grossing crowdfunded video game in history) will be part of the AMD GPU announcement.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13280-AMD-Livestream-And-Press-Roundup

 

[nemesismk2]

We need another Geforce 8800 GT.

I had a XFX GeForce 8800 GT which kicked ass

 

[Rikard]

Beer - check
Popcorn - check
Let get this thing going!

 

[Nintendesert]

I have a sinking feeling that the announcement today will be for GPU's available in 2014. The title of the webcast and ads we've seen seem to indicate that.

I actually like paper launches because it gives consumers a chance to see performance comparisons, decide what/if they want to buy, and then ready themselves for availability. I remember for the 8800GTX hard launch, by the time I got done reading reviews all the cards were gone. Had to wait around until stock came back in which was pretty spotty for the first couple weeks IIRC. Had I known the performance before the cards were available for sale I could have sat on Newegg with my F5 oiled and ready.

I don't like 3+ months paper launches however. A week or two is about the max that makes sense to me.

Chris Roberts is teaming up with AMD for their big GPU announcement tomorrow! AMD will be unveiling their 2014 GPU lineup in a special stream live from Hawaii tomorrow at 2 PM CST (-5 GMT) and they’ve invited Chris Roberts to make an appearance! Watch this space – we’ll be showing the video right here at RSI. You can learn more from AMD’s

Pretty much already confirmed by Chris Roberts.

 

[pcslookout]

God dawn it their 2014 GPU lineup. That kinda sucks. Though patience is a virtue!


Sometimes I think certain people here are evil and have contact with the devil for their info.

 

[Gloomy]

I'm getting the feeling that we'll see IGP news too. :hmm:

 

[ShintaiDK]

2014 lineup...

I have a feeling 20nm GPUs keeps crawling further and further away. If they release all these new 28nm in 2014. Then 20nm might first be 2015.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Dual Valve and AMD announcement of a Kaveri based SteamBox with

1. Customized 832 SP Kaveri variant sporting either 256 bit DDR3 or 128/192 bit GDDR5 mem interface.
2. "Standard" 512 SP Kaveri with Cape Verde or Bonaire.

Both systems fully HSA and hUMA compliant with big emphasis on GPGPU via OpenCL in SteamOS hopefully making truely useful GPGPU in a games a reality. SteamBox would basically be leveraging the same tech as PS4 but with fewer, but much faster Steamroller cores, and much higher clocked CUs.

I would be very pessimistic about the possibility of a 256 bit GDDR5 SteamBox but a custom 256 bit DDR3 part is within reason if AMD wants to market an 832 SP Kaveri for servers and scientific computing.bi

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The 2014 fiscal has already started, but I'm sure you all knew that.

I still expect these GPU's prior to BF4 being released. That game as part of the never settle bundle will seriously move some cards. I don't need a new GPU, but if there's a 3 game bundle with BF4 included I'll upgrade anyways.

 

[ElFenix]

Chris Roberts is teaming up with AMD for their big GPU announcement tomorrow! AMD will be unveiling their 2014 GPU lineup in a special stream live from Hawaii tomorrow at 2 PM CST (-5 GMT) and they’ve invited Chris Roberts to make an appearance! Watch this space – we’ll be showing the video right here at RSI. You can learn more from AMD’s

damnit, daylight time, how does it work?!?

 

[blackened23]

I wouldn't get hopes up for any reviews today. I think it is just press slides and a discussion of any features for the next generation cards - it really sounds like the actual launch reviews will be in October.

Anyone else catch that AMD has 2X DVI-D ports now? That is a serious step up from the ports on the prior 3 generations of cards (which used DVI-D, DVI-SL (bad b/c of SL..) and 2x mini DP). This should make eyefinity much less of a PAIN in the neck as compared to prior gen cards, assuming that crossfire issues with eyefinity are taken care of.

 

[pcslookout]

I wouldn't get hopes up for any reviews today. I think it is just press slides and a discussion of any features for the next generation cards - it really sounds like the actual launch reviews will be in October.

Anyone else catch that AMD has 2X DVI-D ports now? That is a serious step up from the ports on the prior 3 generations of cards (which used DVI-D, DVI-SL (bad b/c of SL..) and 2x mini DP). This should make eyefinity much less of a PAIN in the neck as compared to prior gen cards, assuming that crossfire issues with eyefinity are taken care of.

Don't worry I won't get my hopes up but I believe at least one site will have some kind of reviews.