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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks'.
Very interesting nevertheless. It's dangerous for the article's author to assume that clockspeeds were reduced on the Istanbul system versus Shanghai, but the Stream results certainly are interesting. It would be nice to see results of a single-threaded benchmark to see if the test Istanbul system has a higher overall IPC than Shanghai, but again, without knowing the clockspeeds involved, that might not help so much.
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
It's dangerous for the article's author to assume that clockspeeds were reduced on the Istanbul system versus Shanghai
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
It's dangerous for the article's author to assume that clockspeeds were reduced on the Istanbul system versus Shanghai
If AMD is targeting these things for drop-in replacements then that means the installations are already operating within a designed-in thermal budget.
To put 50% processing logic in a socket but keep the GHz the same would require the thermal output to rise considerably.
In other words to keep an Istanbul within say the 65W TDP class of a shanghai that it would be replacing would most likely require a decrease in core frequency relative to the 65W TDP shanghai being replaced since these are both 45nm chips.
Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
Good logic there but they could also have made new improvements here and there to achieve lower power envelops within a certain core speed.
Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
It's dangerous for the article's author to assume that clockspeeds were reduced on the Istanbul system versus Shanghai
If AMD is targeting these things for drop-in replacements then that means the installations are already operating within a designed-in thermal budget.
To put 50% processing logic in a socket but keep the GHz the same would require the thermal output to rise considerably.
In other words to keep an Istanbul within say the 65W TDP class of a shanghai that it would be replacing would most likely require a decrease in core frequency relative to the 65W TDP shanghai being replaced since these are both 45nm chips.
Good logic there but they could also have made new improvements here and there to achieve lower power envelops within a certain core speed.
Are they planning to release a desktop version and when? Too lazy to look around hehe
Originally posted by: Viditor
2. Drop-in for any socket F with split power planes
Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks'.
Very interesting nevertheless. It's dangerous for the article's author to assume that clockspeeds were reduced on the Istanbul system versus Shanghai, but the Stream results certainly are interesting. It would be nice to see results of a single-threaded benchmark to see if the test Istanbul system has a higher overall IPC than Shanghai, but again, without knowing the clockspeeds involved, that might not help so much.
I got your quote there DrMrLord! I was thinking the same thing myself...LOL
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks'.
Very interesting nevertheless. It's dangerous for the article's author to assume that clockspeeds were reduced on the Istanbul system versus Shanghai, but the Stream results certainly are interesting. It would be nice to see results of a single-threaded benchmark to see if the test Istanbul system has a higher overall IPC than Shanghai, but again, without knowing the clockspeeds involved, that might not help so much.
I got your quote there DrMrLord! I was thinking the same thing myself...LOL
Would have been a great time to introduce Socket 1453!
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I smell another Phenom upgrade debacle.
Originally posted by: Markfw900
This also assumes that socket F can go no higher than 65 watt. Is that true ? What if all socket F platforms are certified to say even as high as 125 watt per socket ?
I hate assumptions.
Originally posted by: SunnyD
I forget - is Istanbul supposed to be an MCM solution?
Originally posted by: atari030
I smell another Phenom upgrade debacle.
The only 'upgrade debacle' that might have happened would have been if some uninformed oaf tried to upgrade their system with a new processor without first investigating their BIOS support for it.
I've got an older ASUS MN2 SLI Deluxe board. AM2 socket. Nvidia nForce570 chipset. The original 5000+ BE I put in the system of course worked. With a BIOS upgrade I put in my current Phenom 9550 (AM2+) simple as pie. In fact, with this old *ss board I can put in a brand new PhII 940 and that will also work.
What I smell is FUD, caused more by the ignorant user than any issues with the vendor.
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
What Phenom upgrade debacle? I thought, for the most part, Phenom upgrades went fairly well as long as users waited for the proper BIOS to be made available for the mobo in question.
The B2 Phenoms were real dogs, though.
Originally posted by: Phynaz
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
What Phenom upgrade debacle? I thought, for the most part, Phenom upgrades went fairly well as long as users waited for the proper BIOS to be made available for the mobo in question.
The B2 Phenoms were real dogs, though.
After AMD spent a year or more shouting "drop in replacemnt", it turned out that BIOS updates were made for less than 50% of existing boards.
Combine that with the 140w power draw, and you have AMD with a lot of the proverbial egg on it face.
Then add in the Quadfather upgrades that never occured and you start to see a pattern.
I think there was a third case, but it's late Friday and the brain is shutting down
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: Phynaz
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
What Phenom upgrade debacle? I thought, for the most part, Phenom upgrades went fairly well as long as users waited for the proper BIOS to be made available for the mobo in question.
The B2 Phenoms were real dogs, though.
After AMD spent a year or more shouting "drop in replacemnt", it turned out that BIOS updates were made for less than 50% of existing boards.
Combine that with the 140w power draw, and you have AMD with a lot of the proverbial egg on it face.
Then add in the Quadfather upgrades that never occured and you start to see a pattern.
I think there was a third case, but it's late Friday and the brain is shutting down
Not AMD's fault re: the lack of BIOS updates. Where'd you get the "less than 50%" number? I remember there being problems early on, then the problems seemed to disappear into the ether.
AFAIK, the only Phenom @ 140w is the 9950. The 9600 and lower were 95w parts.
Quadfather was a real fringe thing, a petty attempt to draw attention away from Intel. It never should have, um, not happened.