Amd Is having Yield Problems (Bring it) UPDATED

[smashp]

This topic DOES concern this thread.

Amd is in that grey zone right now, just trying to beat intel to market with a hybrid chip.



If the Market really deemed it necassary, Intel would have had it to the market already.

Look at The Roadmap for AMD 64. They are changing their own standard TOOOO sooon.

This tells me that they were more concerned with just getting the product to market, rather than finalizing it.


The socket standard is changing how soon?

AMD cant afford to wait, The company needs to begin showing results soon, just to stay afloat, or else THEY will be bought out.

 

[Jeff7181]

Steve... why bother coming back? You were banned once, doesn't that tell you something? Even the mods don't want you here. If I recall, you were banned for your attitude... which doesn't seem to have changed a whole lot... it'll just be a matter of time before you get mad when someone questions your "facts" from The Inquirer and your "knowledge" on a subject and you get banned again. Maybe you'd fit in better at Tom's Hardware...

 

[smashp]

WHO THE F*** IS STEVE


The MODS can drop me a line if they dont like my OPINION being freely expressed.

but, if they do, I gotsa abouts an unlimited amount of Email addresses

OR we can continue to talk about the finacial stability of AMD, If there CPU is the answer for the future or if its a last horrah

Your right the inquirer is a joke. But the article about taiwanese mb mfg questioning the availability of the 64 bit was elsewhere also.

Plus just go read AMD balance sheet's, earnings reports, and finacial outlook.

I mean , Intel offers all retail empolee's, partners, and resellers a Purchase program every 6 months. AMD doesnt, because they CANT AFFORD TO.

 

[Jeff7181]

but, if they do, I gotsa abouts an unlimited amount of Email addresses

You think they can't ban you because you can just use a different e-mail address?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: smashp
WHO THE F*** IS STEVE


The MODS can drop me a line if they dont like my OPINION being freely expressed.

but, if they do, I gotsa abouts an unlimited amount of Email addresses

OR we can continue to talk about the finacial stability of AMD, If there CPU is the answer for the future or if its a last horrah

Your right the inquirer is a joke. But the article about taiwanese mb mfg questioning the availability of the 64 bit was elsewhere also.

Plus just go read AMD balance sheet's, earnings reports, and finacial outlook.

I mean , Intel offers all retail empolee's, partners, and resellers a Purchase program every 6 months. AMD doesnt, because they CANT AFFORD TO.

It's not just your email address they use to ban....

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: mrgoblin
Amd are the biggest idiots ive ever seen. WHY didint they launch that processor at 2.6 and 2.4? They could have if they wanted to. Create a gap and sacrifice overwhelming profit for r&d and keep putting out megaproducts. I think come p5, amd will either fall or get its act together. 4k fsb is nothing to sneer at.

That famous 4GHz FSB surely sounds like a joke.... not even their internal clock is that high, not to mention the extreme difficulty to bring it that high RIGHT NOW.... it will be a reality when the chips are clocking at 10 GHz or higher, but not now or next year....

Anyways, while it may sound impressive in paper, you are forgetting the fact that if we speak equivalent of FSB, the Athlon FX 51 has 6.4 GB/sec memory bandwidth, plus a dedicated HT tunnel 800 Mhz 16 bits bidirectional that spits data for peripherials at 3.2 GB/sec per directions (6.4 GB/sec total). Making it the equivalent of the P4 FSB, we could say that the Athlon FX 51 has 12.8 GB/sec total bandwidth, or 1.6 GHz "FSB"...... The humble Athlon 64 has only 9.6 GB/sec total bandwidth, or equivalent to a 1.2 GHz FSB.

Did I forget to mention the scalability of hypertransport? I don't remember the exact number, but I know it peaks very high in frequency and bandwidth.... plus newer memory standards will be supported by the newer CPUs. I said before that memory efficiency scales better in the A64 architecture, and time will prove it.

Also, saying that a company will fail because of poor financial health is total garbage.... product is key

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: mrgoblin
Amd are the biggest idiots ive ever seen. WHY didint they launch that processor at 2.6 and 2.4? They could have if they wanted to. Create a gap and sacrifice overwhelming profit for r&d and keep putting out megaproducts. I think come p5, amd will either fall or get its act together. 4k fsb is nothing to sneer at.

Why do you think they could've launched it at a faster speed... Because of a very few people's overclocks? That is no way to determine how fast a semiconductor manufacturer can release a product, for many different reasons.

If AMD could release a faster speed, they would. There's really no way they could benefit by NOT distancing themselves from the competition. And AMD is definitely not a bunch of "idiots".

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: alexruiz
Also, saying that a company will fail because of poor financial health is total garbage.... product is key

Are you telling us that you've never seen a company with a good product fail?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: alexruiz
Also, saying that a company will fail because of poor financial health is total garbage.... product is key

Are you telling us that you've never seen a company with a good product fail?

I think he's saying that typically if a company offers a good product it will not fail. Do you have any good examples of companies going belly-up even though they had amazing products? They're pretty few and far between. You could say 3dfx, but they had a terrible product line at the time of their demise.

As for all of this "AMD is going broke" nonsense, I'm pretty sure that there are good reasons why they aren't earning any money right now. They spend tons on research and development, but they seem to have problems with mass production. On top of that, the market never seems to want to accept anything that isn't made by intel.

 

[rommelrommel]

Originally posted by: smashp
This topic DOES concern this thread.

Amd is in that grey zone right now, just trying to beat intel to market with a hybrid chip.



If the Market really deemed it necassary, Intel would have had it to the market already.

Look at The Roadmap for AMD 64. They are changing their own standard TOOOO sooon.

This tells me that they were more concerned with just getting the product to market, rather than finalizing it.


The socket standard is changing how soon?

AMD cant afford to wait, The company needs to begin showing results soon, just to stay afloat, or else THEY will be bought out.

Actually you may as well just say you're Steve. Being a random idiot who creates an account for the sole purpose of flamebaiting and spreding FUD is even more moronic than coming back to continue with the same.

These forums are to spread knowledge and help others, not to go around spouting off ignorant bulls*** out of your a55 that you know nothing about. Your posts to date serve absolutely no purpose.

You make big deal about this being your "opinion" and that you should be able to "freely" discuss it. I'd like to introduce you to a idea called PRIVATE PROPERTY. This forum is just that. If you wanna flamebait and spread FUD why don't you make your OWN forums and do it there? The only real reason I can think of is that you're a childish attention whore.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: alexruiz
Also, saying that a company will fail because of poor financial health is total garbage.... product is key

Are you telling us that you've never seen a company with a good product fail?

I think he's saying that typically if a company offers a good product it will not fail. Do you have any good examples of companies going belly-up even though they had amazing products? They're pretty few and far between. You could say 3dfx, but they had a terrible product line at the time of their demise.

As for all of this "AMD is going broke" nonsense, I'm pretty sure that there are good reasons why they aren't earning any money right now. They spend tons on research and development, but they seem to have problems with mass production. On top of that, the market never seems to want to accept anything that isn't made by intel.

Well, someone beat me to clarify.....

A company with poor economic health but great product is more likely to survive that a company with bad product but good financials..... as simple as that.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The individual who began this nonsense posts some aniseptic numbers that are only one factor in the ability of a corp. to sustain business operations, continue to procure a line of credit, or even why many share holders invest in a technology company. Also, don't forget that the troubling figures presented are largely a reflection of the influence of the economy, an enormous factor in why the last 8 Q's have been negative for AMD.

I find it interesting that said individual did not link to the trend on the stock prices for Advanced Micro Devices over the last couple months link Now look at the 5yr for both AMD and Intel AMD 5yr Intel 5yr What should be readily apparent is that both are subject to the volatility of the market. My point is this, predicting AMD's stock will crash is just stating the obvious, Intel's stock will just as likely crash again as well but I don't see him pointing that out, and we all know why AMD has been in business for 34 years and will be in business for years to come despite chicken little screaming the sky is falling. They do have 5.6 billion in total assets, are starting to penetrate markets they had virtually no presence in, are exploring some burgeoning markets with other corps like Fujitsu that could be very lucrative in the future but haven't "bet the farm" on them so to speak, and seem to have a well structured debt. The analysts who are recommending AMD to investors at the moment seem to think there is something worth investing in, now what would cause them to think that do you suppose

 

[rgreen83]

Originally posted by: smashp



The interesting FACTS of why AMD is a doomed tech company is as follow.

1.6Billion in debt vs 768 million is cash

earnings per share -4.07

Profit margin -55.09%

AAhhhhhh. I better move somewhere else, those numbers are strikingly similar to the US record books. They must be gonna fail soon!! Must... get.... to... canada.... gasp...

 

[Jeff7181]

The analysts who are recommending AMD to investors at the moment seem to think there is something worth investing in, now what would cause them to think that do you suppose

I know when I look for a good investment I look for one that has no potential and "will fail."

 

[Doh!]

Originally posted by: smashp

Look at the finacial statements of AMD. For Example here are some MAJOR Key figures

Deleted the figures since they are useless in determining AMD's ablity to continue its operations.

The interesting FACTS of why AMD is a doomed tech company is as follow.

1.6Billion in debt vs 768 million is cash

earnings per share -4.07

Profit margin -55.09%

They are a publicly Held company. That means People INVEST in them to make them money. If the Cant Make money, People stop Investing in them. When people stop investing In the company, The company has no means to operate.
So i plead to you. If you wish to save your beloved AMD, Go buy some of their stock.
Just dont come crying, when its worthless.

You obviously have not taken any advanced accounting courses. Just because you see a bunch of negative numbers, that does not indicate a company's inability to continue its operations in the immediate future. In addition, 1.6B of debt vs. 768MM of cash analysis is a joke. Take AMD's financial statements to your CPA and ask him whether or not AMD will go belly up in the immediate future (or at least read the footnotes in the financial statements). You have provided some interesting FACTS but these FACTS do not substantiate your baseless claim. Sorry dude, try again.

 

[zephyrprime]

When people stop investing In the company, The company has no means to operate.

That's not true. Contrary to popular belief, when you buy a stock, the company doesn't get the money your spend. Only with IPOs, secondary offerings, and private placements do companies get any money from stock investments.

 

[sandorski]

It's already been brung!

 

[smashp]

On top of that, the market never seems to want to accept anything that isn't made by intel.

Thats a hell of a hurdle taht will continue to halt their growth and ability to recoup loses spent on R&D

 

[Peter D]

Ok, lemme get this straight..

This Is why I started this thread, and no i am not some steve guy or a troll...

So.. you're some Steve GIRL?

Second, you're not a troll? LMAO, You start a thread saying AMD is having problems (????) and then you update the title saying 'Bring it' (????) Go back to what you actually do know; Playing Pokemon

And last but not lease, you ask who 'Steve' is? You tell us, n00blar

You go Girl! =]

 

[mechBgon]

Here's a screenshot of Newegg's poll results as of a few minutes ago: Is an Athlon 64 in your future?

 

[Jeff7181]

lol... Pokemon... lol

 

[Doh!]

What?! No more "MAJOR KEY FIGURES" analysis? What happened? Have you finally learned to understand the statement of cash flows? Or are you too busy trying to come up w/ more illogical explanations? Come on, bring it! I'm bored looking at several thousands of financial statements for the past dozen years.