Ouch, man, Ouch.
And your probably the person in this forum - i'd value most serious in terms of "predicting microprocessor future".
I geuss if you see it like this - this is why we'll see more and more bloomberg\similar mainstream business sites now beginning to pick up doom and gloom articles.
I dont beliewe there is any company the size of 10k, with so much highly qualified and educated personal as eg AMD, that would not have a professional CFO - or any of the others top positions, - and down the ranks.
What is that for a strawman?
I dont beliewe there is any company the size of 10k, with so much highly qualified and educated personal as eg AMD, that would not have a professional CFO - or any of the others top positions, - and down the ranks.
The people at that level is perhaps eg. greedy or agressive - but they are never, ever amateurs at their job.
Its naive to think otherwise, and its only a showcase of own incompetence calling them for amateurs.
As for Kumar, ofcource he should have frased it differently, but give it a rest. The man does - and for one of the first time in years - the nessesary to motivate the relationship to the rest of the organization. That is proactive management.
Whining and crying for something (the wsa), you cant do anything about, is just bad management - and he does what should actually have been done 3 years ago - something to motivate and develop the relationship. No matter how bad GF process was or is, or how bad AMD BD design was. Thats irrelevant.
Thats professional management what he does - in a situation when its most difficult. For Mubadala AMD only exist as a mean to develop GF - as it was here it was thought, the huge potential was. Kumar doesnt concentrate on that - he concentrate on the relationsship to GF.
Talking business opportunities under those circumstances instead of crying of bad weather - Thats professional management imo. And thats the management we all want.
The people at that level is perhaps eg. greedy or agressive - but they are never, ever amateurs at their job.
SoFIA is a cheap smartphone chip with an integrated modem. Last I checked, AMD wasn't in the mobile market.
I wouldnt pay attention to thoses wild speculations, for the time AMD has some good products in the mobile department and Intel 14nm is of no threat in its current iteration since it s less efficient than their previous node by a sizeable margin, besides it s not even sure that Devinder Kumar was talking of K12 as being 28nm, obviously they are talking of Hierofalcon/Seattle and then the journalist cut him in his speach to ask about K12, to wich Kumar answer and then the intervoewer just say "28nm", the answer that came after is not precise, it could be either about the previously discussed Seattle or about K12 but in its current form this interview is not an aknowledgment.
He might be talking about its economics, but even then, he doesn't have access to the data to support his claim.I can't take you seriously when you spout this type of BS.
I can't take you seriously when you spout this type of BS.
You should be more cautious before branding BS something just because it doesnt please your eventual preferences, i m not talking out of the wild, their current process is mediocre and they clearly stated that it will be modded.
You should be more cautious before branding BS something just because it doesnt please your eventual preferences, i m not talking out of the wild, their current process is mediocre and they clearly stated that it will be modded.
28, not yeah, I think it will be 28 nanometer
So K12 will be on 28nm and there isn't a single mention to Zen in the last two conferences. It seems that K12 and Zen are indeed low cost, scope constrained projects that won't have any relevance at all on the consumer and server market.
ed: link included
Because Servers cpus aren't optimized for costs.Conclusions:
K12: Possibly 28 nm, possibly something else. He is not confirming nor denying.
Zen: Does not mention it at all. So it could be 28 nn, 16 nm TSMC, 14 nm Samsung/GF, or something else.
Likely K12 will be optimized for perf/cost, suitable for servers. If 28 nm can provide better perf/cost than 20/16/14 nm, then why not go for that?
You should be more cautious before branding BS something just because it doesnt please your eventual preferences, i m not talking out of the wild, their current process is mediocre and they clearly stated that it will be modded.
Because Servers cpus aren't optimized for costs.
mediocre 14 nm != substantially worse than 22 nm
14 nm is having problems but Intel has never stated that its electrical characteristics are worse than 22nm.
This.
Opteron ruled the roost for years on perf/watt when it faced Netburst Intels. When Conroe hit, the Opteron started to slip to perf/cost and we know what happened to the market share then. Its not pretty.
This is not a viable angle IMHO.
They never stated it but that doesnt mean that these are better than at 22nm, if the few infos published are accurate then this process has mediocre perf/watt, dont know if it s really the process or the CPU design but since Intel stated that the next iteration is due to process changes we can confidently assume that it s the manufacturing side/process that is at fault.
K12 is ARM. It'll be optimized for perf/watt too.
You are just talking out of your a$$. Please post a link to support your claim.
The best review of the Core M I can find looks pretty good actually. 8% more battery life, with a 22% smaller battery! You are getting ~80% of the performance with only 1/3 the TDP. That looks pretty promising. If 'mature' 14nm is coming, then Broadwell looks pretty awesome. Efficiency looks great, especially considering the first released version is the most efficient one!
How high clocks will go and all that is still up in the air. We should know more when we see some official Core M reviews and/or more products released.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-M-5Y70-Review-and-Performance-Testing-Broadwell-Y
And 15% lower perfs translate inherently by 33% less power, really a miracle that chip, it follow the electric laws, actualy that what it cost to have 15% more perfs, 30% higher TDP..The Core M 5Y70 was able to run at nearly 3 watts less power throughout our Wi-Fi battery testing; that's a difference of 33%. And while we know that not all of that is directly related to the Broadwell architecture, Intel has been making tweaks to the entire Core M platform from the beginning, targeting this exact result.
K12: Possibly 28 nm, possibly something else. He is not confirming nor denying.
"I think it will be on 28 nanometer" is not a neutral answer. The only thing it suggests is that he's not confident about it, which is odd. Or that it's not even final, but if they don't have a node picked for a part ~1.5 years out they've got even bigger problems than being stuck on 28nm.
"I think it will be on 28 nanometer" is not a neutral answer. The only thing it suggests is that he's not confident about it, which is odd. Or that it's not even final, but if they don't have a node picked for a part ~1.5 years out they've got even bigger problems than being stuck on 28nm.
K12 is ARM. It'll be optimized for perf/watt too.