AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

[IRobot23]

ASUS X470
https://videocardz.com/75725/asus-x470-rog-strix-prime-motherboards-leaked

MSI X470
https://videocardz.com/75736/msi-x470-gaming-m7-pro-plus-motherboards-leaked

 

[PingSpike]

I'm waiting to see the IOMMU groups on the X470 boards. There's not a huge chance, but there's a chance the chipset lanes will be better separated.

 

[IRobot23]

I wonder how p state oc will go with the new turbo, depending what is exposed that could be the way to get to ~4.5 single thread ~4.2 all threads.

FYI, with new BIOS on C6H I don't need p state OC to downclock CPU in idle.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

ASUS X470
https://videocardz.com/75725/asus-x470-rog-strix-prime-motherboards-leaked

MSI X470
https://videocardz.com/75736/msi-x470-gaming-m7-pro-plus-motherboards-leaked

Thank you for posting the links, this got me super excited!! Oh also after clicking on the second link if you scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the next page button they also reveal the X470 Taichi.
Or this is the direct link https://videocardz.com/75753/asrock-x470-taichi-taichi-ultimate-leaked

 

[Ajay]

Any info on revisions to the AM4 chipset?

 

[xblax]

Any info on revisions to the AM4 chipset?

Nothing new. Only the old news: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-2000-desktop-cpu-official-specs-performance-prices-leaked/

I wonder if the X470 chipset is manufactured on a new node to lower the idle power consumption.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

OMG, just noticed that every single x470 motherboard now has 2 eps connectors for the cpu.
So now not only do I have to upgrade the motherboard but also my PSU!!

 

[EXCellR8]

Hopefully there isn't another board shortage out of the gate but I suppose it's totally possible. There's no way I'd spend the money on faster DDR4 right now but I'm not totally against moving to a 2700/2700X at some point even though I love the first gen chip and board, the latter of which I would likely opt to keep and retain the existing memory also.

 

[Mockingbird]

OMG, just noticed that every single x470 motherboard now has 2 eps connectors for the cpu.
So now not only do I have to upgrade the motherboard but also my PSU!!

ASUS X470-F ROG STRIX GAMING and ASUS X470 PRIME PRO, doesn't at least.

 

[ao_ika_red]

OMG, just noticed that every single x470 motherboard now has 2 eps connectors for the cpu.
So now not only do I have to upgrade the motherboard but also my PSU!!

Not all of them, just the flagship one. Biostar even has some balls by putting single 4-pin EPS on their "Racing GTN" board.

 

[Ajay]

OMG, just noticed that every single x470 motherboard now has 2 eps connectors for the cpu.
So now not only do I have to upgrade the motherboard but also my PSU!!

That’s weird, isn’t a 12v EPS connector good for 150W?? Maybe at a 4.3GHz all core overclock the power draw is > 150W.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

That’s weird, isn’t a 12v EPS connector good for 150W?? Maybe at a 4.3GHz all core overclock the power draw is > 150W.

I bet its needed to even get over 4Ghz all core. I was hoping to get 4.2Ghz no more no less with a board with a single 8pin eps connector as that is all I have on my psu.Still waiting on the other vendors to reveal there products before I make a decision on a new mobo. But so far I am liking the taichi minus the extra eps connector is has..

 

[The Stilt]

OMG, just noticed that every single x470 motherboard now has 2 eps connectors for the cpu.
So now not only do I have to upgrade the motherboard but also my PSU!!

Single EPS12V is fine up to ~450W.

You'll blow VRM (and the CPU) before running into the limit.

 

[Ajay]

Single EPS12V is fine up to ~450W.

You'll blow VRM (and the CPU) before running into the limit.

Really, >9 amps per pin, isn't that pushing things a bit? I guess 300W would be 'safe', but I don't know what the spec limit is.

 

[PhonakV30]

Single EPS12V is fine up to ~450W.

You'll blow VRM (and the CPU) before running into the limit.

Why do they add Two EPS? For controlling Power management?

 

[Markfw]

Single EPS12V is fine up to ~450W.

You'll blow VRM (and the CPU) before running into the limit.

My guess would be less strain on power delivery(cooler lines) to what may be much better VRM's to handle higher overclocks, or even stock.

 

[The Stilt]

Really, >9 amps per pin, isn't that pushing things a bit? I guess 300W would be 'safe', but I don't know what the spec limit is.

The EPS connectors are specified for 9 - 13A per contact, depending on the quality.

18 & 16 AWG wires can carry 8.5 - 12A without any issues either.

Why do they add Two EPS? For controlling Power management?

The second connector decreases the voltage drop, but the with the duty cycles (< 10 - 12.5%) the VRM is operating a small difference in input voltage is pretty much irrelevant.
Mostly for marketing.

 

[fleshconsumed]

So, the new boards have 8pin power connector + 4 pin power connector. Will they work if I leave the additional 4pin power connector unplugged?

 

[PhonakV30]

So, the new boards have 8pin power connector + 4 pin power connector. Will they work if I leave the additional 4pin power connector unplugged?

I read ROG CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME's Manual and It says :

Do not forget to connect the 8-pin EATX12 V power plug.otherwise , the system will not boot

So only 8-pin requires.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I read ROG CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME's Manual and It says :

Do not forget to connect the 8-pin EATX12 V power plug.otherwise , the system will not boot

So only 8-pin requires.

I would hope this is the case for all the motherboards, would be really nice to confirm.

These extra power connectors are getting ridiculous, they're not needed for a 100W CPU.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I read ROG CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME's Manual and It says :

Do not forget to connect the 8-pin EATX12 V power plug.otherwise , the system will not boot

So only 8-pin requires.

Yeah... I dont know if that is true, I had a Asus X99 motherboard that had 2 eps connectors just like the new x470 motherboards are gonna have and it refused to power on or boot with out the extra eps connector plugged in.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Yeah... I dont know if that is true, I had a Asus X99 motherboard that had 2 eps connectors just like the new x470 motherboards are gonna have and it refused to power on or boot with out the extra eps connector plugged in.

I have no detailed information about the board, but that may have been because of a multiphase smps (VRM) with for example 6 phases where each pair of three phases is powered from a different EPS connector to balance the current load. Similar as how gpu graphic card designers have smps that distribute the current over two PCIe power connectors to pairs of phases.

 

[Mockingbird]

I know that userbenchmark is not a reliable benchmark and I would probably get laughed out of the room, but userbenchmark indicates

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7820X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3928vsm475904

 

[PhonakV30]

I know that userbenchmark is not a reliable benchmark and I would probably get laughed out of the room, but userbenchmark indicates

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7820X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3928vsm475904

for Intel 7820x : Base clock 3.6 GHz, turbo 4.95 GHz (avg) ?? that turbo is quite high.

 

[IRobot23]

I know that userbenchmark is not a reliable benchmark and I would probably get laughed out of the room, but userbenchmark indicates

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7820X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3928vsm475904

Great,
"It's probably wise to hold off purchasing until the eagerly anticipated 16-core, 32-thread Ryzen Threadripper CPUs are launched later this month."