Not for Single thread and gaming performance especially max OC. 8700k easily hits 4.8-5.0 Ghz.
Zen+ has Broadwell lPC with max clocks lower than Skylake. AMD is still well behind CFL 6c for ST and gaming perf. The upcoming 8c CFL will beat PR across ST/MT/gaming and probably even power efficiency.Where did I mention Core i7-8700K?
Zen+ has Broadwell lPC with max clocks lower than Skylake. AMD is still well behind CFL 6c for ST and gaming perf. The upcoming 8c CFL will beat PR across ST/MT/gaming and probably even power efficiency.
The direct price and perf competitor for 2700x is 8700k. I think thats what matters. 5 Ghz 8700k will be >=20% faster than 4.3 Ghz 2700x in ST while coming roughly 15-20% slower in MT. 8700k is the better overall chip given the fact that most desktop workloads still do not scale beyond 4C/8T.Did you even read?
I said Skylake not Coffee Lake
I also said Core i7-7820X not Core i7-8700K
The direct price and perf competitor for 2700x is 8700k. I think thats what matters. 5 Ghz 8700k will be >=20% faster than 4.3 Ghz 2700x in ST while coming roughly 15-20% slower in MT. 8700k is the better overall chip given the fact that most desktop workloads still do not scale beyond 4C/8T.
The direct price and perf competitor for 2700x is 8700k. I think thats what matters. 5 Ghz 8700k will be >=20% faster than 4.3 Ghz 2700x in ST while coming roughly 15-20% slower in MT. 8700k is the better overall chip given the fact that most desktop workloads still do not scale beyond 4C/8T.
Fair enough. btw i am a strong AMD and underdog supporter.I'm not disagreeing with you, just wanted to point out that my desktop apps scale very well with threads. Not everyone uses computer in the same way and stating your opinion as a fact is not right. We now have good processors from both manufacturers so we can pick and choose as we see fit. Everyone wins!
Why are you guys underestimating AMD?
AMD has tech that noone has. They have very scalable and efficient chips with HBM on board.
VEGA is scalable
Ryzen is made that way too
HBM was design by AMD and Hynix.
AMD has GPUs in consoles and in Apple and they might give them whole package.
Don't get me wrong, but I think Intel is slowly lagging behind. Next thing can be crucial.
How well will ryzen 2000 do against intel is not even important. AMD did what they could and they are pushing hard. AM4, Mobile, TR4 and even epyc all in same year (apus and gpus)... when did Intel do something like that?
AMD did it and they are not messing around. I though ryzen 2000 will be here in late 2018 with just clock bumps to 4,5GHz. Yet they improved L2, L3 and IF latencies and bandwidth...
As impressive as AMD has been lately with the launch of Zen and soon, Zen+, the fact of the matter is that AMD is competitively right now because Intel keeps screwing up.
There should never have been Kaby Lake nor Coffee Lake.
If Intel didn’t screwed up, it would be on Ice Lake (the successor of Cannon Lake) right now and AMD wouldn’t be able to catch up.
…but anyway, we are getting off topic
That seems very biased.
This is mainly a minor process improvement, about they same as Skylake->Kabylake, so if Intel is screwing up, so is AMD.
Why are you guys underestimating AMD?
Intel messed up with their 10nm process and thats why we are going to be on 14nm for 4 years. By the time Icelake arrives on desktop in Q2 or Q3 2019 we would be 4 years from Skylake launch. There is no way to spin the fact that Intel badly faltered with their manufacturing execution allowing the foundries to catch up.
Why are you guys underestimating AMD?
AMD has tech that noone has. They have very scalable and efficient chips with HBM on board.
VEGA is scalable
Ryzen is made that way too
HBM was design by AMD and Hynix.
AMD has GPUs in consoles and in Apple and they might give them whole package.
Don't get me wrong, but I think Intel is slowly lagging behind. Next thing can be crucial.
How well will ryzen 2000 do against intel is not even important. AMD did what they could and they are pushing hard. AM4, Mobile, TR4 and even epyc all in same year (apus and gpus)... when did Intel do something like that?
AMD did it and they are not messing around. I though ryzen 2000 will be here in late 2018 with just clock bumps to 4,5GHz. Yet they improved L2, L3 and IF latencies and bandwidth...
Don't forget that AMD also has HSA.
Almost never heard HSA since Carrizo. Do they still keep it on?I know, why nobody is showing HSA in Raven Ridge?