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I don't know about you, but I think that $230 for X470 Taichi and $300 for X470 Taichi Ultimate is stupid high money. Personally I'm disappointed with these prices, hopefully they'll drop soon.
You know there are games that are compute heavy like ARMA for instance. Or even 64 player battlefield games. These days 1080p is really easy to push. If you have a 144hz display its fairly easy to get into cpu limited situations.
It does not. It's IPC is less than a Phenom by a reasonable amount which was less than Core 2 at the time. Maybe it through some later fixes in the APU's and the higher clocks it got "better" but better is basically even when comparing it to Ryzen or Nahalem.You did say "just about every 4 core CPU better than a core 2 is good enough" There are some real dogs there and Bulldozer would probably be in there somewhere.
144hz isn't the pinnacle of gaming either. Certain types of FPS users value the Hz. But I am sure a majority of people consider 4k gaming to be a higher priority than refresh rate. Even when refresh rates mattered a lot (CRT monitors) 144hz or even 120 weren't needed getting a monitor that worked at 75-90 Hz took care of a lot of issues. I am not one to call 144hz un impactful. But I am absolutely sure that a majority of gamer's would care more about the graphical fidelity of a higher resolution than refresh rate.No, but every time I hear this its from the crowd that thinks 60hz monitors are the pinnacle of gaming. Or they only play games with low CPU requirements. Yah, Rocket league will cap out a 60hz monitor on pretty much any cpu.
Then you are asking too much of a CPU in general. Even a 7700k clocked at 5GHz isn't going to be sooo much faster than a high clocked 2600 that a slightly more intensive game one or two generations isn't going to run into the same issue. SC performance is near a peak, has been for a while, the 7700k is probably the pinnacle of that kind of performance. Games that struggle and see significant drops in FPS due the CPU, are generally better threaded and could use more cores, not more core speed. Ones that don't are just plain bad examples of games to attempt to run at high refresh rates if a 6700k or 7700k are the only CPU's that can manage it.My last system was a 2600k @ 4.5. Still a fairly respectable cpu for gaming but it was decidedly CPU limited with a 1080. Even with the the previous r9 290 I was having cpu related slow down in certain areas.
Yeah sorry, not going introduce CRT strobing into a game that uses motion blur, because no matter what you feel about lower refresh rates, the game was designed with that in mind. That solution seems to be more of a solution looking for a problem and going back in time to introduce a problem that we worked out of nearly 20 years ago seems like a bad idea.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Also if you ever decided to run ULMB (Which is awesome for FPS) you NEED to be able to keep minimum above about 100hz. That's really hard with a mediocre cpu.
Exactly I am not SSD everything. But I have a NVME boot drive, and NVME scratch drive, and SSD application drive. The HDD's in my system are solely for storage. This would be completely pointless. I don't need to speed up my storage drives.Pretty cool. but I'm almost completely NVME or SSD. The only HDD on my computer stores my movie library.
$300 is getting way too close to Intel X299 and AMD X399 platforms. I'm hoping it's just newegg price gouging new release, because I think these prices are unreasonably high.But support very high speed ram is difficult, it's more so in ryzen system, and with strict qualifications, it's understandable the price will increase.
So what motherboards did everyone buy? I guess the Taichi Ultimate is out of the question for me for right now as it is way to much money with it being priced at $300 plus $5 for shipping at newegg.
I could probably swing the Gigabyte Gaming 7 but even that is a whopping $240 bucks plus $5 for shipping.
This would leave me just enough money to also get a 2700x..
Maybe the Gigabyte gaming 5 at $180 plus $4 for shipping?
I dont know what to do,what would you guys do?
Yeah maybe I should just go your route for now and grab the 2700x before they are gone and then buy a x470 motherboard later on in a week or so hoping they drop in price a bit.. I just hope the 2700x will run on this AsrockB350 itx motherboard.I preordered a 2700X this morning with nothing but an Asrock AB350M Pro4 MB. We'll see how *that* works out, lol...
My current Ryzen 1600 system is in a MATX case so I'll have to order a new case in addition to the MB if I'm unhappy trying to run this beast in my current setup.
I'll probably wind up with the 470 Taichi (sub-ultimate!) eventually unless the current B350 board works much better than expected.
Only if people are purchasing Titan XPp's. If they aren't buying the absolute best Video card, even if they are purchasing a 1080Ti, Every single dollar spent on a CPU to get a faster "gaming" CPU is a dollar not going to the video card and therefore a waste.
Also really ingenious to compare it to a Fiesta. You are talking about a car that is barely capable of pulling out of a driveway. That would be a Bulldozer. I am not saying buy a crap CPU, just because Video Cards are all that matters when gaming. This is more of an engine issue, like trying to throw a LS7 into a FR-S without doing anything else to the car. Sure the raw horse power numbers seem great and all, but you are going to be seriously limited by the frame, the tires, and the suspension. If you are building a Ferrari, then get a Ferrari engine, which much like the real cars would mean getting a TR or SL-X and not the statistically better "gaming CPU". But if you are building a track monster like lets say a Viper ACR, sure the engine could be better (which is strange to say about a 8.7l V10), but all the Aero, tire, and suspension work make that one of the best factory track cars out there or the Mustang GT350-R, or a Porche 911 GT3. All great track cars that get nearly the same track performance as a Ferrari at a third or less of the price because they did the work where it was needed for the track.
If I was getting this I would get a Taichi (not Ultimate) the Ultimate really only has the extra 10Gbe port that would be worth it. Everything else the Taichi is just as good. Gaming 5 would be my next option. For all the GPP Protesters, Asrock is the only real option.So what motherboards did everyone buy? I guess the Taichi Ultimate is out of the question for me for right now as it is way to much money with it being priced at $300 plus $5 for shipping at newegg.
I could probably swing the Gigabyte Gaming 7 but even that is a whopping $240 bucks plus $5 for shipping.
This would leave me just enough money to also get a 2700x..
Maybe the Gigabyte gaming 5 at $180 plus $4 for shipping?
I dont know what to do,what would you guys do?
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Not a Fiesta ST! That's really quick little car that is also a devil around the corners.
And no: I don't think it's strange to say that a Viper 8.7l/V10 "could be better." That thing gets what, ~550bhp? Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston, Jaguar, etc can get that easily on a ~4L/V8, or even smaller!
Honestly, the viper engine really is just crap.
Not a Fiesta ST! That's really quick little car that is also a devil around the corners.
And no: I don't think it's strange to say that a Viper 8.7l/V10 "could be better." That thing gets what, ~550bhp? Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston, Jaguar, etc can get that easily on a ~4L/V8, or even smaller!
Honestly, the viper engine really is just crap.
So what motherboards did everyone buy? I guess the Taichi Ultimate is out of the question for me for right now as it is way to much money with it being priced at $300 plus $5 for shipping at newegg.
I could probably swing the Gigabyte Gaming 7 but even that is a whopping $240 bucks plus $5 for shipping.
This would leave me just enough money to also get a 2700x..
Maybe the Gigabyte gaming 5 at $180 plus $4 for shipping?
I dont know what to do,what would you guys do?
No he is right, I mean in a way this compares to mid 70's early 80's cars that were like 5-8l making 150-170hp. The Viper engine was under powered for it's displacement even among NA cars, it's power band was awful for it's intended job. That engine was seriously holding back one heck of a chasis.But what specific engines for comparo? I don't think it's fair to compare an NA V10 to a turbo V8.
NA vs NA or turbo vs turbo.
I mean a Chevy LS V8 can be turbo'd to the moon, so that makes everything else moot, right?
No he is right, I mean in a way this compares to mid 70's early 80's cars that were like 5-8l making 150-170hp. The Viper engine was under powered for it's displacement even among NA cars, it's power band was awful for it's intended job. That engine was seriously holding back one heck of a chasis.
As an ex-Focus ST owner, I specifically was thinking base maybe even 3 cylinder Feista. Certainly not the ST.
Because I am American, I do subscribe generally to the go big or go home approach. Can't get much bigger than a 8l V10. But yeah, honestly if Chrysler put a tenth the amount of time they did in even lets say the Tigershark, to really modernize that behemoth, the Viper would have become a serious must have track day car, instead of a loud angry monster.
What is this a car forum? No one will be driving cars in 20 years anyway so get that crap out of here. Back to the stuff that matters; getting 10 more FPS in BF1 multiplayer...