AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

[krumme]

Some of the software in the cpu most be rewritten. The secret sauce. Its radical improvement for same arch. Neural stuff. What is it?

 

[krumme]

Now now, let's not go to ridiculous territory with the Intel Bashing. What about Ivy Bridge?

I'm all for rooting for AMD. But constantly bashing and ridiculing Intel makes me think along the same lines as AdoredTV.

Goes to show how idiotic and overblown those ipc improvements was. IB was never more than 2-3%.
Take anandtech and eg especially notebookcheck. Take their overblown ipc gains gen to gen and put the together. I did that once and they overrate it by more than double.
AT stopped by skl time. And look at the paltry results then. People was furious. Slow ram what not.

 

[krumme]

I think people will get dissapointed if they think zen2 will get double the performance increase in games at same freq. Surely if the game selection is newer but this arch is still using mesh and will have a constant deficit vs ringbus. I think they closed potentially 80% of the gab that was possible. Not much to improve for zen2 here.
Also its evident there is improvement outside of mem latency.

What does those l2 numbers mean? And where do they come from?. Evidently its reflected in real world usage. Its real.

 

[.vodka]

What does those l2 numbers mean? And where do they come from?. Evidently its reflected in real world usage. Its real.

Right in the % improvement slide that was posted a few pages ago. A little photoshop and...

SR gets that kind of latency to memory at 3200MHz loading the XMP profile, leaving the motherboard to set secondary and tertiary timings... which suck. Just going from that, it's quite the improvement and it shows in the results in that video.

This is what I get on a 3.8GHz 1700 and 3466MHz memory + proper timings

A 2700x with this memory setup would be in the 58-60ns range as shown in some tests that were made weeks ago. I'd love to see how much more a maxed out 2700x can do in games, as SR gets a pretty big boost in minimum, average FPS and less stutter from having a memory setup like this.

 

[Yotsugi]

What about IvyBridge?

It's a shrink, not a refresh.
Out of all refreshes we've seen from Intel, all are speed bumps.

 

[IRobot23]

7.7%.

Is this even true? cause this was leak/rumor

 

[Malogeek]

I really want to see reviews on X370 boards, not just X470. It would help knowing what kind of improvements were made for the chipset, not just the processor. I'm assuming very little since most of the architecture for the IO is in the CPU.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I really want to see reviews on X370 boards, not just X470. It would help knowing what kind of improvements were made for the chipset, not just the processor. I'm assuming very little since most of the architecture for the IO is in the CPU.

I would like to see first gen Ryzen on some x470 motherboard reviews and if first gen cpu's can be overclocked any farther on x470 vs x370.

 

[french toast]

I would like to see first gen Ryzen on some x470 motherboard reviews and if first gen cpu's can be overclocked any farther on x470 vs x370.

Yea two comparable motherboards of high VRM quality.. preferably from same top end brand with stable BIOS.

 

[beginner99]

Well let's just wait until someone locks 2600X and 8700K at the same clock and runs a bunch of benches.

And what would be the point of this? Comparing CPUs with a price difference > $100 doesn't make a whole lot sense to begin with. Also clock speed is fundamentally part of the design and the process. Zen / Zen+ is good and price competitive but don't let you get fooled. Intel is still the single-threaded king, by far also due to clock.

 

[Yotsugi]

And what would be the point of this? Comparing CPUs with a price difference > $100 doesn't make a whole lot sense to begin with.

We were kinda talking about per clock performance, no?
Yes.

 

[dlerious]

Yea two comparable motherboards of high VRM quality.. preferably from same top end brand with stable BIOS.

I'd like to see 1800X on x470 Taichi and 2700X on x370 Taichi in addition to normal testing.

 

[french toast]

I'd like to see 1800X on x470 Taichi and 2700X on x370 Taichi in addition to normal testing.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Kenmitch]

Looking forward to seeing some official reviews. Guess we don't have to wait much longer now.

 

[dlerious]

Looking forward to seeing some official reviews. Guess we don't have to wait much longer now.

I believe the embargo lifts at 9am tomorrow. I'll probably skip this generation (already have 1800X and 1600X). 2nd gen Threadripper might be a different story, especially if they're just as aggressive on pricing.

 

[Kenmitch]

I believe the embargo lifts at 9am tomorrow. I'll probably skip this generation (already have 1800X and 1600X). 2nd gen Threadripper might be a different story, especially if they're just as aggressive on pricing.

I'm not looking to build a rig anytime soon. I do like to keep up to date on the tech and find the Zen derivatives interesting. It's a win for both those whom choose Intel or AMD platforms as AMD turns on the heat.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I believe the embargo lifts at 9am tomorrow. I'll probably skip this generation (already have 1800X and 1600X). 2nd gen Threadripper might be a different story, especially if they're just as aggressive on pricing.

I think I'll sit this one out too. While the latency improvement looks nice, it is not worth the cost for that and an additional 200MHz all-core turbo boost (1700 vs. 2700 @ stock 65W) for me.

 

[repoman0]

My 2700x shipped just now! Guess I don't get to quickly look at reviews at 9am and decide if I want to cancel.

 

[Markfw]

My 2700x shipped just now! Guess I don't get to quickly look at reviews at 9am and decide if I want to cancel.

was that newegg or Amazon ? mine has not shipped yet, and I ordered within hours of when it was possible.

 

[repoman0]

was that newegg or Amazon ? mine has not shipped yet, and I ordered within hours of when it was possible.

Amazon. I also paid the $6 prime next day shipping to make sure it's at my dad's for the weekend when I visit (NH, no sales tax) ... turns out it will be there tomorrow.

 

[ondma]

We were kinda talking about per clock performance, no?
Yes.

Well, actually it was you that was trying to limit the discussion to per clock performance, which negates any intel gains since Skylake, because they have been due to clockspeed, not ipc.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Well, actually it was you that was trying to limit the discussion to per clock performance, which negates any intel gains since Skylake, because they have been due to clockspeed, not ipc.

Intel needs no sympathy. Thanks to AMD, Intel will now have to make real advancements in CPU technology. AMD has always been the price leader. Meaning they undercut Intel for the ordinary man. For those who know the computer industry, companies like Dell and HP probably pay $100
for an 8700K.

 

[formulav8]

Someone should make a review thread?

 

[Whitestar127]

When does the embargo lift? 9am something? In which timezone? (I'm in Norway)

 

[Gideon]

When does the embargo lift? 9am something? In which timezone? (I'm in Norway)

It should be 9am eastern time. E.g. when this clock reaches 9am. So in about 5:30 hours.