AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

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Kenmitch

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I wonder if the 2700-Non "X" variant will be unlocked?? If so I will be hopping all over this!!

I think it's too soon for AMD to go the Intel way and lock down the lower tier offerings. Locking down the chips would most likely hurt their sales of the lower tier offerings.
 

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One data point can't be used to prove/disprove the claim that the user made. Going from Zen to Zen+ would be like going from Skylake to Kaby Lake -- no real reason to do it unless you just have to have the best CPU that your motherboard supports.

Or maybe we all just want a speed bump.
 
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Or maybe we all just want a speed bump.

Is a few hundred MHz worth a few hundred bucks? If you've got the cash, more power to you, but don't act like most people have the money to just throw at incremental improvements like that.
 

EXCellR8

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2700X for under $400 and the 2700 at $300. Damn you AMD, that almost makes me want one.

Almost.
 
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No problem.

I'm buying two Ryzen+ chips and two forum members will get cheap upgrades to Ryzen 1xxx processors.

Right and it's awesome that you can afford to do that, but the discussion was about "most people" not a select few fortunate enthusiasts
 

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AMD Cuts Price Of Flagship Ryzen 7 1800X to $309 For One Day Only

Anyone looking for a bargain should pay attention to AMD's announcement of a major price cut of its flagship mainstream desktop processor - the Ryzen 7 1800X. The eight-core CPU, which began life at $499 in February 2017's launch of its Ryzen CPUs and Zen architecture, will cost just $309.99, just for today - the 7th March.

This amounts to a $50 price drop to the CPU's price yesterday of $359.99 or just under 14% off. Amazingly, it's now only $10 more than the Ryzen 7 1700X and $35 more expensive than the Ryzen 7 1700, both of which offer lower clock speeds - especially so with the Ryzen 7 1700.
 

Justinbaileyman

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No problem.

I'm buying two Ryzen+ chips and two forum members will get cheap upgrades to Ryzen 1xxx processors.
I can't afford two as I am going all out and getting CPU,Mobo,and Ram upgrade. Speaking of which is there going to be a new type of ram or speed binning for the new x470 mobo's? I am pretty sure I remember reading something some one posted here about lower powered 1.2v ddr4 3200? Or was that just some rumor?
 
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I can't afford two as I am going all out and getting CPU,Mobo,and Ram upgrade. Speaking of which is there going to be a new type of ram or speed binning for the new x470 mobo's? I am pretty sure I remember reading something some one posted here about lower powered 1.2v ddr4 3200? Or was that just some rumor?

I don't mean to come off as rude or anything, but why are you going to move from an 8700K to a Pinnacle Ridge? It seems like an awful lot of $ and hassle for what is basically a sidegrade (a little better perf in MT apps, and a bit worse performance in games).
 
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I can't afford two as I am going all out and getting CPU,Mobo,and Ram upgrade. Speaking of which is there going to be a new type of ram or speed binning for the new x470 mobo's? I am pretty sure I remember reading something some one posted here about lower powered 1.2v ddr4 3200? Or was that just some rumor?

They are talking about the new JEDEC spec for DDR4-3200 which is at some absurd CL latency like CL20 @ 1.2V. No enthusiast wants slow RAM like that.

That said, there is one line in the slides Videocardz posted about X470 being optimized for better memory support:


No one knows how much improvement there will be, so it's best to wait for launch and independent reviewers to test the limits of the new platform and updated(?) IMC.

The practical limit with Ryzen 1 + X370 was 3466 CL14 or 3600 CL16 using the best components, so it remains to be seen if 3733+ is possible.

Of course, without official confirmation from AMD or reviewers, the slides listed as "leaked" by Videocardz might very well be fake.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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I don't mean to come off as rude or anything, but why are you going to move from an 8700K to a Pinnacle Ridge? It seems like an awful lot of $ and hassle for what is basically a sidegrade (a little better perf in MT apps, and a bit worse performance in games).
Two Words... Meltdown and Spectre!! Besides I already sold the rig in my sig last week in the F/S section. went full out AMD bandwagon and got a 1950x and a Gigabyte gaming 7 mobo during the 20% off sale and just on Saturday during the newegg 1700 combo deal I snagged one of those as well which came with a Asrock b350 itx/ac mobo.the 1950x will get upgraded closer to the end of the year only if there are major improvements with 2950x. as for the 1700, I really only got that to mess around with till 2700 releases and perhaps use to do bios updates to the new upcoming mobo's if needed.
 

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They are talking about the new JEDEC spec for DDR4-3200 which is at some absurd CL latency like CL20 @ 1.2V. No enthusiast wants slow RAM like that.

That said, there is one line in the slides Videocardz posted about X470 being optimized for better memory support:


No one knows how much improvement there will be, so it's best to wait for launch and independent reviewers to test the limits of the new platform and updated(?) IMC.

The practical limit with Ryzen 1 + X370 was 3466 CL14 or 3600 CL16 using the best components, so it remains to be seen if 3733+ is possible.

Of course, without official confirmation from AMD or reviewers, the slides listed as "leaked" by Videocardz might very well be fake.
Optimized memory routing for higher speed memory is pretty vague on that screenshot. LOL!! Unfortunately I still need to purchase memory and lots of it and am completely lost as to what speeds I should be looking at getting.
Is anything past ddr4 2666 really that noticeable? I am wondering if the standard speed is going to be bumped up from 2400 and 2666 to 3200 and 3600? If so should I go ahead and buy a bunch of ddr4 3200 or 3600?
I am seriously doubting that the memory base is going to start at like ddr4 4000, am I right??
 

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LOL. All the slides said "Embargo Lift March 15, 2017 11 p.m. CT"

Anyway, it said that new X470 motherboards launch April 19th 2018 so I am assuming that the day that Ryzen 2nd gen launches.

It's also interesting that B450 motherboards are launching later.

Is AMD taking more cues from Intel?

Ryzen 7 2700X now has 105W TDP, up from 95W in last generation.

Also, why is there a slide slowing that Ryzen 7 2700X is 7.7% slower in 1080P games?

Shouldn't AMD be talking about scenarios that Ryzen 7 2700X is better?

It seems odd to give essentially a free advertisement for the competitor.
 

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If this is true my x370 board seems worthless if the b450 boards can boost better.
 

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So, looking at these two images, what I see is: Ryzen 7 2700X (compared to Ryzen 7 1800X) made huge gains with games that are lightly threaded, but made (almost) no gains with games that are heavily threaded.

That's probably because base clock only went from 3.6 GHz to 3.7 GHz while the boost clock went all the way from 3.7 GHz to 4.35 GHz.

What's important is that the games that Ryzen 7 2700X made the most improvements in are the games that Ryzen 7 1800X fare the most poorly.


 
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LOL. All the slides said "Embargo Lift March 15, 2017 11 p.m. CT"

Anyway, it said that new X470 motherboards launch April 19th 2018 so I am assuming that the day that Ryzen 2nd gen launches.

It's also interesting that B450 motherboards are launching later.

Is AMD taking more cues from Intel?

Ryzen 7 2700X now has 105W TDP, up from 95W in last generation.

Also, why is there a slide slowing that Ryzen 7 2700X is 7.7% slower in 1080P games?

Shouldn't AMD be talking about scenarios that Ryzen 7 2700X is better?

It seems odd to give essentially a free advertisement for the competitor.

They do have learned their lessons by looking at Intel and how not to do it.
For all features the X variants have to offer a new chipset is needed and thus new motherboard.
But i am very happy that even with current boards all the non X variants should run fine after a bios update.
I am counting on a 2600.
All i have to do now is call the shop i bought my motherboard and see if they are willing to update the bios for me, maybe for a small but reasonable fee.

The 2800x will come, after there is more experience wit h12nm.

It does seem that the last 250MHz is quite taxing, from 65W to 105W for 2700 to 2700X.
I expect another "Stilt" bump in the voltage frequency curve.
 

Markfw

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They do have learned their lessons by looking at Intel and how not to do it.
For all features the X variants have to offer a new chipset is needed and thus new motherboard.
But i am very happy that even with current boards all the non X variants should run fine after a bios update.
I am counting on a 2600.
All i have to do now is call the shop i bought my motherboard and see if they are willing to update the bios for me, maybe for a small but reasonable fee.

The 2800x will come, after there is more experience wit h12nm.

It does seem that the last 250MHz is quite taxing, from 65W to 105W fro 2700 to 2700X.
You can do it yourself, its quite easy. Do you have a USB memory stick ? If so, do the below.

Download the bios from your motherboard manufacturers site and put it on the memory stick.

Then boot and enter bios, then find the option to flash. Some motherboards are even easier, they have a key to press instead of entering bios F6 is a popular one. Then it will search for the bios, then you use that and when it says its done, then reboot.
 
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You can do it yourself, its quite easy. Do you have a USB memory stick ? If so, do the below.

Download the bios from your motherboard manufacturers site and put it on the memory stick.

Then boot and enter bios, then find the option to flash. Some motherboards are even easier, they have a key to press instead of entering bios F6 is a popular one. Then it will search for the bios, then you use that and when it says its done, then reboot.

Does it work without a cpu ?
That would be fantastically awesome.
I delayed my cpu purchase since it was just a few months before the ryzen 2x00 series would come out.
I have an ASROCK AB350M.
I could also contact AMD.

edit: nevermind, after reading your post again, it is not possible.
I was hoping for an embedded mcu that is able to update the bios without a cpu being present.
Just power and a usb stick with a bios bin file would be great.
 

PeterScott

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More rational segmentation and positioning with this refresh.

X Versions now give higher speed and better cooler for the extra money. Where before you got no cooler at all.

And with all the new XFR/PB features, it will be much more efficient to NOT overclock (AFAIK, you lose those features when you overclock).

So X models are now MUCH more desirable, and there are fewer superfluous models.
 

Olikan

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So, looking at these two images, what I see is: Ryzen 7 2700X (compared to Ryzen 7 1800X) made huge gains with games that are lightly threaded, but made (almost) no gains with games that are heavily threaded.
Important to note is that the 2700X is 7,7% behind.... while intel have 8% clock advantage
 
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