So after reading around, anandtech has the 8700 scoring lower than the 2700X in games because they used the stock cooling for both. Does that mean if I want the higher Intel score I got to buy a better cooler?
So after reading around, anandtech has the 8700 scoring lower than the 2700X in games because they used the stock cooling for both. Does that mean if I want the higher Intel score I got to buy a better cooler?
Yes, Intel's cooling solution for their cpus is very poor. Buy a third party one.
Actually surprised: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X achieves world record in 8-core Geekbench 3, taken from Intel Core i7-7820X: http://hwbot.org/benchmark/geekbench3_-_multi_core/rankings?cores=8#start=0#interval=20
You also might also be thinking about Cinebench R15, but Intel remains on top, including in all other multi-threaded HWBot benchmarks rewarding global points.
So after reading around, anandtech has the 8700 scoring lower than the 2700X in games because they used the stock cooling for both. Does that mean if I want the higher Intel score I got to buy a better cooler?
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The cooler is the Silverstone AR10-115XS which Anandtech used in the Core i7 8700K review too:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1185...-lake-review-8700k-and-8400-initial-numbers/5
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12625/amd-second-generation-ryzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600/8
Of course, one thing to note is Intel processors are possibly at their weakest state in years. Not only does the Intel Core i7-8700K have two fewer cores than AMD’s new Ryzen flagship, the Spectre and Meltdown patches have significantly impacted its performance.
When we originally tested the flagship Coffee Lake processor last October, it scored much better in Cinebench with 204 points in single core and 1,543 on multi-core. And, in Geekbench, the 8700K landed 5,831 and 25,811 points in the single- and multi-core tests, respectively.
<-- at 1080pAs for gaming, the Ryzen 7 2700X doesn’t beat the Core i7-8700K, but it has eroded Intel’s lead by (sic) a mere one to two frames per second.
Anandtech shows it as 17% faster in Cinebench than that result.So, at least one other site is replicating AnandTech's results with full Spectre v2 mitigations (April patches, 0x84 microcode) applied:
https://www.techradar.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-2700x
Unlike Tom's, which left out the Spectre v2 mitigations.
<-- at 1080p
How do you know that? Anandtech stated pretty clearly that they tested with the patches applied.Anandtech re-used old 8700k cinebench benchmarks but used freshly patched systems for the gaming tests. Pretty sure that 198 cinebench R15 ST is the same from the old 8700k test.
Looks like tech radar is the only ones who have done the full benchmark suite on the patched system.
Very bad news for intel. Now they must rely on Linus to protect them with his videos.
How do you know that? Anandtech stated pretty damn clearly that they tested with the patches applied.
Furthermore, the Cinebench result is different from the original review, well before Spectre and Meltdown were revealed. 198 now vs 197 at launch.
The results for gaming also improved versus the launch reviews, which also handed in bizarre results.
Launch:
Now:
Looks like the 8700K gains 3 fps, although it's still getting crushed by the 3.5GHz i5-7400 (???).
Not seeing much difference in these tests. No previous Spectre/Meltdown tests have shown much of an effect in games or Cinebench either. I find it unlikely that they would start doing so now. Obviously the techradar results don't match the AT results, nor do the AT results show any substantial degradation due to Spectre/Meltdown. They just look like nonsense really, as they show the i5-7400 being 31% faster than 8700K in Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Intel is lying, Anandtech is lying, all the other results are wrong, and the one you like is correct. Got it.I know because that's the same score that the 8700k had from the last time Anandtech reviewed the 8700k. Why would anantech bother re-testing cinebench anyway when intel claims that spectre and meltdown patches have no effect on performance on desktop processors outside of SSDs and games? Clearly intel is lying, and anandtech was foolish enough to trust them.
Fortunately, we only have to look to tech radar for the true results of the benchmarks. How did tech radar come up with the same results as anadtech after applying the same patches? A mystery?
Intel is lying, Anandtech is lying, all the other results are wrong, and the one you like is correct. Got it.
By the way, it's not the same score. The previous score, as I just showed you, was 197. It is now 198.
What about the Techradar results matches up with Anandtech's? I just showed that Techradar's Cinebench score is way off of Anandtech's; I showed that Anandtech retested everything for the 8700K. They stated it about four times in their review. Techradar tested not one game that Anandtech tested, so you can't compare the results there. Apart from Cinebench, they tested Geekbench and Handbrake, which Anandtech also tested. Anandtech got a substantially higher result for the 8700K in Geekbench. As far as Handbrake, I don't know if they used the same presets, so I don't know if those can be compared directly.
So we have two outlets that both tested with all the Spectre/Meltdown patches applied, one got much higher results than the other. Only one can be correct, and given that no one else seems to have noticed this massive performance degradation before, I'm inclined to say Anandtech got it right.
Just as a reminder:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12625/amd-second-generation-ryzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600/8
We should have an official "I am Moonbogg" day. Where we all dress up as Moonbogg. Not that I really know what a Moonbogg looks like, mind you.I am turning into a Moonbog i think...
It will be cleared up, probably by GamersNexus or someone similar, and the result will be that, at least in games and Cinebench, there's no real difference. Anandtech retested their CPUs for the Zen+ review with all the up to date patches and the results are identical to launch (as far as Cinebench and games). Techradar's results don't match Anandtech's in Cinebench or Geekbench (the two that both of them conducted). In both cases, Techradar got 20% less performance. The results do not match, not nearly. Techradar's results are far lower and are the only such results I've seen so far. As an 8700K owner, I'm not worried yet.If the v2 april patches get the core line to tank like that its a diaster.
We need confirmation on that. I doubt it but that cb score is scaring.
Its 2 months since i got the 8700k and this is not the product i bought.
I am turning into a Moonbog i think...
If people do want to try this, remember to check if you have a microcode update using InSpectre: https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm.Anyone here can test the 8700K in cinebench R15 for single thread. Just make sure you have the latest windows patch, right? Also, if anyone wants to imitate moonbogg for a day, you must understand, very deeply, the meaning of the word hyperbole. You must then realize that this word is BS and no longer exists in your vocabulary, because your insane passion just got real, bihtce.