Thanks, but it would be nice to have more details such as actual features, number of sata ports, number of ethernet ports, number of m.2 slots, and pcie slot layout.
Thanks, disappointing to see both Asus and Gigabyte limit SATA connectors to 6 ports so far. Hopefully ASRock or someone else comes out with 8+ ports.Not much info out on motherboards yet. I'd imagine they're going to be similar to the X370 offerings as far as ports go. Guess you could compare the Asus info to their current X370 lineup to get an idea.
https://hothardware.com/news/leaks-asus-x470-mainboards
Thanks, disappointing to see both Asus and Gigabyte limit SATA connectors to 6 ports so far. Hopefully ASRock or someone else comes out with 8+ ports.
Nah, they just need to lower nand prices by a lot. I want a 32 TB SSD for the price I paid for 32 TB ram....
ASROCK X470 Falal1ty Gaming ITX/AC
ASROCK X470 Falal1ty Gaming K4
ASROCK X470 Falal1ty Professional Gaming
ASROCK X470 Master SLI
ASROCK X470 Master SLI/AC
ASROCK X470 Taichi Ultimate
ASUS X470-F ROG STRIX GAMING
ASUS X470-I ROG STRIX GAMING
ASUS X470 PRIME PRO
ASUS X470 ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO (WI-FI AC)
ASUS X470 ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO
ASUS X470 TUF PLUS GAMING
GIGABYTE X470 AORUS Gaming 7 WIFI
MSI X470 GAMING M7 AC
MSI X470 GAMING PLUS
MSI X470 GAMING PRO
Who said anything about AMD giving them an intentional sneak peak?I seriously doubt this. AMD would not give 1 company a sneak peak without giving them all a sneak peak. Also, AMD would have provided an X470 motherboard and a complete kit for testing. Either they pieced things together from the leaked benchmarks or they managed to get their hands on an engineering sample. We'll find out soon enough. The actual NDA isn't until April.
It's an odd thing really. Latency for the L2 was supposed to be 12 cycles from AMD presentations and documentation, and yet Ryzen shipped at 17 cycles. What's strange is that Threadripper, EPYC, and Raven Ridge all shipped at 12 cycles - and the first two are the same die!And that aprox 20% improvement in L2 latency...crazy what is that?
That's VERY interesting!AMD, nVidia and most likely Intel as well implement reliability calculations in their boost algorithms.
This allows them to reach the highest possible boost speeds in light loads. The silicon is able to withstand significantly higher voltage in low load conditions (i.e. partial utilization, low current and temperature).
If the same voltage levels used at the highest boost speeds would be applied during the full load as well, there would most likely be permanent damage to the silicon.
Thanks, disappointing to see both Asus and Gigabyte limit SATA connectors to 6 ports so far. Hopefully ASRock or someone else comes out with 8+ ports.
It's an odd thing really. Latency for the L2 was supposed to be 12 cycles from AMD presentations and documentation, and yet Ryzen shipped at 17 cycles. What's strange is that Threadripper, EPYC, and Raven Ridge all shipped at 12 cycles - and the first two are the same die!
I suspect there was some reliability issue with production silicon that they corrected but already had too many dies to throw away. That's my theory, got nothing official and any attempt to coax the information out of AMD results in marketing spiel.
Size Latency Increase Description
32 K 4
64 K 11 7 + 13 (L2)
128 K 14 3
256 K 16 2
512 K 17 1
1 M 29 12 + 23 (L3)
2 M 35 6
4 M 37 2
8 M 39 + 5 ns 2 + 5 ns
16 M 40 + 48 ns 1 + 43 ns + 90 ns (RAM)
32 M 40 + 70 ns 22 ns
64 M 40 + 81 ns 11 ns
128 M 40 + 86 ns 5 ns
256 M 40 + 88 ns 2 ns
512 M 40 + 89 ns 1 ns
1024 M 40 + 90 ns 1 ns
That's the measured latency from Ryzen. AMD documentation and presentations claimed 12 cycles before that, and Threadripper/EPYC are 12 cycles.nope people just dont look at the actual numbers:
https://www.7-cpu.com/cpu/Zen.html
So its likely all just firmware related.
Yes and what do you see the latency as for 64k and 128k of data? Where does that data come from?That's the measured latency from Ryzen. AMD documentation and presentations claimed 12 cycles before that, and Threadripper/EPYC are 12 cycles.
Early previews show Gaming 7 as only having 6 SATA ports.Gigabyte X370 boards had 8 sata ports.
In fact, Gigabyte was the only manufacturer that offered 8 sata ports accross the board in X370 mobos.
Unless they are planning on changing it with X470...
There will be a 2800X, just not at launch. It is likely that the 2800X will be binned from Threadripper dies. Threadripper dies feature a much improved power curve over Ryzen, so that will allow the chip to clock much higher.Good improvement, but doesn't quite look good enough to beat a hypothetical 8-core mainstream part from Intel. Although I suppose we'll likely see a 2800X at that point, it feels like AMD could have been more aggressive here. Part of that may be due to being pin limited on AM4, and bound to the promise to keep that platform relevant. A 12-core triple-channel part, for example, would have been difficult for Intel to counter and could have added significant momentum, but also wouldn't work on the current socket infrastructure.
Well, aside from non of them being 12 cycles...Yes and what do you see the latency as for 64k and 128k of data? Where does that data come from?
I am going to fix that for you.
GPP partners:
ASUS X470-F ROG STRIX GAMING
ASUS X470-I ROG STRIX GAMING
ASUS X470 PRIME PRO
ASUS X470 ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO (WI-FI AC)
ASUS X470 ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO
ASUS X470 TUF PLUS GAMING
GIGABYTE X470 AORUS Gaming 7 WIFI
MSI X470 GAMING M7 AC
MSI X470 GAMING PLUS
MSI X470 GAMING PRO
= Not worth buying.
Not GPP:
ASROCK X470 Falal1ty Gaming K4
ASROCK X470 Falal1ty Professional Gaming
ASROCK X470 Master SLI
ASROCK X470 Master SLI/AC
ASROCK X470 Taichi Ultimate
= Worth buying
If I could decide again I would definitely go with Asrock.
What is "GPP"?
I am going to fix that for you.
GPP partners:
ASUS X470-F ROG STRIX GAMING
ASUS X470-I ROG STRIX GAMING
ASUS X470 PRIME PRO
ASUS X470 ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO (WI-FI AC)
ASUS X470 ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO
ASUS X470 TUF PLUS GAMING
GIGABYTE X470 AORUS Gaming 7 WIFI
MSI X470 GAMING M7 AC
MSI X470 GAMING PLUS
MSI X470 GAMING PRO
= Not worth buying.
Not GPP:
ASROCK X470 Falal1ty Gaming K4
ASROCK X470 Falal1ty Professional Gaming
ASROCK X470 Master SLI
ASROCK X470 Master SLI/AC
ASROCK X470 Taichi Ultimate
= Worth buying
If I could decide again I would definitely go with Asrock.
No, they are talking about GPP which has pretty much nothing to do with this subforum.
There will be a 2800X, just not at launch. It is likely that the 2800X will be binned from Threadripper dies. Threadripper dies feature a much improved power curve over Ryzen, so that will allow the chip to clock much higher.
You know this because...? I mean, I hope that's true. Especially for my definition of "much" :heh: But anything north of 4.5G would be very interesting. And if that happened for TR as well...!
It might be $460, but its not much faster than the 1800x and still $30 more and the motherboard is a lot more, and when the 2700x hits in a few weeks, it will be demolished in performance/price.If Ryzen 7 2800X exists, it would be a tough sell.
Assuming that the Ryzen 7 2700X sells for the same price as the Core i7-8700K...
Ryzen 7 2800X would be the top 5% of the die and probably fetch a big premium.
The problem is that Core i7-7820X is selling for ~$460 right now despite having an MSRP of $599.
Of cause the cheapest Intel X299 motherboard is ~$186, but then again, I don't envision many people buying Ryzen 7 2800X and putting them on ~$70 B350/450 motherboards.
It might be $460, but its not much faster than the 1800x and still $30 more and the motherboard is a lot more, and when the 2700x hits in a few weeks, it will be demolished in performance/price.
The cheapest 299 motherboard is $186. The cheapest AM4 is $32, but the cheapest quality one is still only $99 (asrock x370 pro4, I have one)
While I agree on performance/price 70% of 7820x CPUs can hit 4.7GHz when overclocked. That 400MHz over a 2700x is not going to vanish into thin air at full load.