AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

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lightmanek

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There is a difference between supported and enabled. I guess all Ryzen have ECC enabled but Pro units have necessary validation for official support.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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Does anyone know if there will be a platform refresh for TR2?

If X470 exists only because of more stringent requirements, are they already baked into X399?
Yes there will be new motherboards with more features for the TR2 series later this year.
 

formulav8

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Would be interesting to know whether the new TR will have Thunderbolt support. Was supposed to be royalty free sometime this year IIRC.
 

Topweasel

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Would be interesting to know whether the new TR will have Thunderbolt support. Was supposed to be royalty free sometime this year IIRC.
Doubtful. X499 is going to be X470. So any board with TB is going to need an add-on chip making it manufacture's choice.
 

Soulkeeper

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What I don't understand is the Zen+ is all 12nm, but the new laptop "pro" series will all be coming out as 14nm ?
They mention Q2 for the pro laptop cpu's and they all have the same model number with "pro" slapped on the end ...

I'd like to get a good ryzen laptop, something better than 1080p and preferably focused on business users.
 

The Stilt

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What I don't understand is the Zen+ is all 12nm, but the new laptop "pro" series will all be coming out as 14nm ?
They mention Q2 for the pro laptop cpu's and they all have the same model number with "pro" slapped on the end ...

I'd like to get a good ryzen laptop, something better than 1080p and preferably focused on business users.

Might have something to do with the process characteristics...
 

alexruiz

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What I don't understand is the Zen+ is all 12nm, but the new laptop "pro" series will all be coming out as 14nm ?
They mention Q2 for the pro laptop cpu's and they all have the same model number with "pro" slapped on the end ...

I'd like to get a good ryzen laptop, something better than 1080p and preferably focused on business users.

HP elitebook 735, 745 or 755 G5 series
I am expecting one of these for myself also.
My wife has an elitebook 725 G4 with bristol ridge and it is a very nice machine.

The only complaint I have with these machines is that HP dropped eSATA.
Yes I know barely no one uses eSATA, but for a corporate type machine that will be configured from a deployed image, local access through native SATA running on a winPE or linux recovery will beat the living you-know-what out of usb 3 or LAN.
The current elitebook 745 G4 has the option for 1440p IPS.
 

Mockingbird

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What I don't understand is the Zen+ is all 12nm, but the new laptop "pro" series will all be coming out as 14nm ?
They mention Q2 for the pro laptop cpu's and they all have the same model number with "pro" slapped on the end ...

I'd like to get a good ryzen laptop, something better than 1080p and preferably focused on business users.

AMD only uses two different dies: Pinnacle Ridge and Raven Ridge (with Pinnacle Ridge replacing Summit Ridge)

Pinnacle Ridge is on 14nm+ ("12 nm"), so anything that uses Pinnacle Ridge dies (Ryzen [non-APU], Ryzen Threadripper, Epyc) is 14nm+

Raven Ridge is on 14nm, so anything that uses Raven Ridge dies (Ryzen APUs, Ryzen Mobile) is 14nm
 
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AMD only uses two different dies: Pinnacle Ridge and Raven Ridge (with Pinnacle Ridge replacing Summit Ridge)

Pinnacle Ridge is on 14nm+ ("12 nm"), so anything that uses Pinnacle Ridge dies (Ryzen [non-APU], Ryzen Threadripper, Epyc) is 14nm+

Raven Ridge is on 12nm, so anything that uses Raven Ridge dies (Ryzen APUs, Ryzen Mobile) is 14nm

I get this strong feeling something is reversed.
 

Mockingbird

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Review: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (X470)
BY IVÁN MARTÍNEZ
04/16/2018
CPUS & APUS


As we did on Friday with the Ryzen 7 2700X , we reanalyzed the new AMD Ryzen 5 2600 with an X470 motherboard that allows us to realize its full potential. Recall that this processor offers 6 cores and 12 threads , which increase their frequencies to 3.40 GHz base , and can reach 3.90 GHz in Boost mode.

Let's see first its complete technical specifications :

AMD Ryzen 5 2600
Socket AM4
Fabrication process 12 nm
Cores / Threads 6 cores / 12 threads
Base Frequency 3.40 GHz
Turbo Frequency 3.90 GHz
Cache L3 2 × 8 MB
Compatible Memory DDR4-2933 Dual-Channel
PCIe lines 16 lines
TDP 65W
Index of contents [Ocultar]

Packaging and Accessories




The AMD Ryzen 5 2600 comes in a box similar to the previous generation design, showing the processor from the side and protecting it perfectly inside, as well as the heatsink.





In addition to the warranty card and a Ryzen 5 sticker, this model comes with the AMD Wraith Stealth dissipator, a model already seen in the first generation and which offers nothing new.







AMD Ryzen 5 2600


As we anticipated, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 offers 6 cores , which in turn offer 12 threads that start from a base frequency of 3.4 GHz to reach 3.9 GHz in Turbo mode thanks to Precision Boost technology. It offers a total of 2 × 8 MB of L3 cache , as well as 6 x 512 KB of L2 cache and 6 x 32 KB + 6 x 64 KB of L1 cache, so it offers a cache distribution identical to that of the Ryzen 5 1600 .



As we can see in CPU-Z , the set of instructions supported has MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3 and SHA, also the same as in the first generation of Ryzen .



Obviously it is a processor for the AM4 socket and therefore makes use of the " Pin Grip Array " connection system, where the pins are in the processor and not in the motherboard, highlighting the use of a total of 1,331 contacts.

Test Equipment


To analyze the performance of the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 processor we have assembled the following test equipment:

For reasons of NDA, we can not show the used motherboard, so for now you will have to settle for what is a high-end model X470 .
 

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Synthetic Tests
Next, we show you the results of the performance tests performed on this and other processors in calculation benchmarks (wPrime), rendering (Cinebench), coding (x264), memories (Aida64) or focused on games (3D Mark).









Games
Unlike the problems we had with the X370 platform, this time we were able to check the result in games without any type of contingency.








Temperature, Overclocking and Consumption
Under an ambient temperature of 20ºC, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 offers temperatures of about 40 ° C at rest and about 55 ° C in its stress test, a high value compared to the best results obtained with the reference heatsink under the X370 platform, so we will have to wait for Ryzen Master software to check it again, it is not logical that they have increased with a liquid cooling.

On the consumption , to say that it has improved notably remaining around 155W for the complete equipment in the stress test of Aida64 (without discs or GPU).



In our tests, we have managed to reach 4.30 GHz with 1.5V, although they are not stable. We have also managed to lower to 1,456V for the 4.10 GHz , this time if completely stable. With this, we have managed to go from 1,260 points in Cinebench 15 to 1,289 points , an improvement of 2.5% , and from 16,133 to 16,315 in 3DMark Fire Strike , an improvement of 1% .

conclusion


As we already anticipated in the review of the X370 platform, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 supposes a review of frequencies on the Ryzen 5 1600 , something that improves its performance by around 10% . We speak of an improvement of the kind that Intel usually offers us, so the price is the one that will mark whether it compensates or not. However, the great improvement is found in the treatment of memories and performance in games , which is not burdened as in the first generation of Ryzen processors.

We can now find this AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for sale in stores like PcComponentes or Amazon for about 200 euros , a price that competes directly with the Intel Core i5 , which excels in multi-threaded tasks and resembles in the rest of functions.

Main advantages
+ Good performance / price ratio for professional environments
+ Excellent multi-core performance
+ Very good temperatures and consumption
+ 6 cores / 12 threads
+ Notable performance improvement in games compared to the previous generation
+ Compatible with previous generation base plates
Negative aspects
- Nothing to write home about
Other Aspects
* OC capacity similar to the previous generation
From El Chapuzas Informático we awarded the Gold Award to the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 .





Read more: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2018/04/amd-ryzen-5-2600-x470-review/
 

eek2121

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Certainly...

Other than this Summit Ridge use the 14nm process, Raven Ridge use a 14nm+ as confirmed to Computerbase.de by AMD, while PN use a slightly optically shrinked 14nm+, hence the 12nm moniker.

AMD has previously stated that Raven Ridge is still 14nm LPP. I'll try to dig something up, but it came straight from official sources. Only Pinnacle Ridge is 12nm. Calling 12nm 14nm+ is just confusing and people should give up using that term IMHO. Just call it 12nm and be done.

Edit: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-2400g

14nm.
 

Abwx

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AMD has previously stated that Raven Ridge is still 14nm LPP. I'll try to dig something up, but it came straight from official sources. Only Pinnacle Ridge is 12nm. Calling 12nm 14nm+ is just confusing and people should give up using that term IMHO. Just call it 12nm and be done.

Edit: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-2400g

14nm.

Yes, optimised 14nm LPP...

Demnach basieren die Raven Ridge auf einer Density-optimized-Variante des Fertigungsprozesses 14nm+. Dahinter steckt bei Globalfoundries eine leicht optimierte Variante des vorangegangenen 14-nm-Prozesses, die dank erhöhter Packdichte nicht nur einen leicht kleineren Die ermöglicht, sondern auch eine optimierte Kurve bei geringerer Spannung im Verhältnis zum Takt bietet – letzteres ist insbesondere im Markt mit geringen TDPs wie dem Notebook wichtig.

Google translate :

Accordingly, the Raven Ridge are based on a density-optimized variant of the 14nm + manufacturing process. Behind it lies at Globalfoundries a slightly optimized version of the previous 14-nm process, which not only allows a slightly smaller Die thanks to increased packing density, but also provides an optimized curve at lower voltage in relation to the clock - the latter is especially in the market with low TDPs as important to the notebook.

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-02/ryzen-3-2200g-5-2400g-test-amd-raven-ridge/
 
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raghu78

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The max all core clocks are the most disappointing aspect with Zen +. AMD really failed badly here. The process is holding them back. AMD also seems to have done the least in terms of design by directly porting the Zen design to 12nm with 9T libraries and not going for a higher track height to hit higher frequencies.
 

Mockingbird

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The max all core clocks are the most disappointing aspect with Zen +. AMD really failed badly here. The process is holding them back. AMD also seems to have done the least in terms of design by directly porting the Zen design to 12nm with 9T libraries and not going for a higher track height to hit higher frequencies.

"12nm" is just 14nm+. GlobalFoundries called it "12nm" because it sounds better.

I also said months ago that if GlobalFoundries promise 10% performance uplift, expect half of that.
 
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Magic Hate Ball

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That's an old slide from months ago.

AMD probably squeezed more performance from tweaking the BIOS.

Close, look at the quoted number of games in the 5% claim vs the number of games in the 7.7% claim.

Just probably removed CS:GO and some other outliers. (Skyrim wtf is up there?)
 
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