AMD marketing Steamroller before Vishera launch. Thoughts?

[MLSCrow]

Does this mean that Vishera sucks? I think so, but what do you think?




-JTPOH

 

[Gideon]

Troll much ?

Vishera is piledriver and they have talked the crap out of it long before Trinity. But considering the clokspeeds it sure looks more like a respin of bulldozer with process improvements rather than a wholly upgraded design.

 

[MLSCrow]

I won't respond to your "troll" comment, but I agree to some degree that Vishera is Piledriver, but it's Piledriver+ with some improvements and added cache, so it will be a different product and performance will differ as well. The question is, what do you think it means that AMD has skipped talking about Vishera (they did talk about Piledriver in terms of Trinity, I'm not denying that) and gone strait to Steamroller?

 

[NostaSeronx]

They talked about Piledriver before Bulldozer's release as well.

 

[MLSCrow]

They talked about Piledriver before Bulldozer's release as well.

Not the same way they did with Steamroller before Vishera.

 

[inf64]

Welcome to last week OP...

 

[NTMBK]

Strange that you felt the need to make a post about this non-topic half an hour after making the same point in that OBR thread.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Not the same way they did with Steamroller before Vishera.

Yeah they did...:sneaky:

 

[Hatisherrif]

Maybe Steamroller will finally catch up to Pentium IV.

*the troll giggles*

 

[ViRGE]

I agree to some degree that Vishera is Piledriver, but it's Piledriver+ with some improvements and added cache

It's still Piledriver, just like Trintiy is Piledriver. Piledriver is done and awaiting production; meanwhile it's not at all unusual for AMD to spend Hot Chips talking about stuff that's a year+ out.

 

[MLSCrow]

Yeah they did...:sneaky:

Prove it?

 

[Smoblikat]

Maybe AMD is excited that steamroller will be as fast as phenom 2 finally.

 

[MLSCrow]

Strange that you felt the need to make a post about this non-topic half an hour after making the same point in that OBR thread.

It's not as strange as you might think. Good investigation work btw.

 

[MLSCrow]

Welcome to last week OP...

I'm well aware, thank you.

 

[Homeles]

Since you apparently didn't read it last time:

This is completely illogical.

If AMD's ready to go public with their Steamroller details, why shouldn't they? Just because you have an apparent selfish need for Vishera to launch prior to talking about Steamroller does not mean that everybody else that is curious about Steamroller, like myself, should have to wait to hear about it.

Piledriver's already out in the form of Trinity APUs. But no, a very small percentage of the desktop market is somehow more important than AMD's mainstream products. You seem to be suffering from entitlement issues.

 

[MLSCrow]

It's still Piledriver, just like Trintiy is Piledriver. Piledriver is done and awaiting production; meanwhile it's not at all unusual for AMD to spend Hot Chips talking about stuff that's a year+ out.

It is not the same. They aren't the exact same design, they won't have the same performance. It boggles the mind how people truly think this. If it was the same, they'd call it Trinity, but they call it Vishera, because it's different enough to require it's own name. It doesn't have an igp, the PD cores will be enhanced and have added cache = new chip/new performance. And who said anything about it being unusual that steamroller was discussed at hot chips? I'm just asking for opinions about what it might mean for Vishera, but thanks for your contribution.

 

[MLSCrow]

Since you apparently didn't read it last time:

Baited and hooked, rofl! ()

-JTPOH

= Just To Piss Of Homeles.

Sorry to say, but you are much too predictable and much too wrong about your nonsensical assumptions about other people. You couldn't have been farther from the truth about what I thought or feel about Vishera, AMD talking about Steamroller at Hot Chips or the importance of the mainstream market. When you can neutrally interject without putting words in other people's mouths, it might be appreciated, but until then, you just make yourself look like...well, I don't need to say it.

 

[ViRGE]

It is not the same. They aren't the exact same design, they won't have the same performance. It boggles the mind how people truly think this. If it was the same, they'd call it Trinity, but they call it Vishera, because it's different enough to require it's own name.

Piledriver with cache is still Piledriver. You're expecting AMD to make a big deal out of a product based on the same architecture as an existing product; no one does that. For the CPU guys the big announcements are the architectures and the first wave of products based on them, not the individual products that follow.

 

[MLSCrow]

Maybe AMD is excited that steamroller will be as fast as phenom 2 finally.

Clock for clock, I think it "finally" will be, as sad as it is.

 

[MLSCrow]

Piledriver with cache is still Piledriver. You're expecting AMD to make a big deal out of a product based on the same architecture as an existing product; no one does that. For the CPU guys the big announcements are the architectures and the first wave of products based on them, not the individual products that follow.

You're entitled to think what you want, but I personally believe that the Piledriver cores in the initially released Trinity + cache =/= Vishera. I cannot prove this yet, but I'm hoping that in the very near future, that AMD will at least provide a detailed list of updates made to the Piledriver cores, which make them Piledriver+ rather than regular Piledriver.

I never said that AMD should make a big deal out of Piledriver+ over Steamroller, I'm simply asking people what they think it means for Vishera that AMD has gone on to Steamroller marketing prior to Vishera release. If you think it means nothing, that's fine, but I think it means that they don't want to draw attention to Vishera since it will only be a slight improvement over BD, whereas SR will truly be their biggest performance increase in the arch. I'm not "expecting" anything, and it makes sense to advertise Steamroller at Hot Chips, I'm not disputing that at all.

 

[NTMBK]

It's not as strange as you might think. Good investigation work btw.

Why thank you. Here's another nugget: You've made 21 posts and 10 of them are in this pointless thread. Is this genuinely just a troll account you've opened? :sneaky:

Baited and hooked, rofl! ()


= Just To Piss Of Homeles.

 

[Subyman]

So any time a company announces products that are a year out, it means their near-release products suck? Nice logic there.

 

[happysmiles]

this thread was doomed from the start

 

[MLSCrow]

this thread was doomed from the start

Kudos to those who figured it out.

 

[Gs dewd]

In before it gets real stupid.