So any time a company announces products that are a year out, it means their near-release products suck? Nice logic there.
I haven't seen any "marketing" for Steamroller yet. I've seen the slides they presented at the Hot Chips conference, where semiconductor companies appear to talk about their future products. That's not marketing.
I have not seen any advertisements about Steamroller. I don't even know what the chips will actually be called, nor do I know about potential prices. Where's the marketing?
What they did at Hot Chips is the definition of marketing. Are you serious? Or are you just adding to the troll thread? I shoulda figured.
I didn't say that it means anything. I just said that I personally think it sucks. Why draw attention to something that sucks? AMD made that mistake once already. I wish people would stop attacking me, I'm asking for other people to give their thoughts on what they think about it, not to criticize me for what I think about it. Constructive comments, please. LOL. People, it's funny what you can do to get them to react. =P
Does this mean that Vishera sucks? I think so, but what do you think?
AMD marketing Steamroller before Vishera launch. Thoughts?
Please read your OP:
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The only reasoning you gave for your stance of Vishera "sucking" is AMD talking about Steamroller recently. There was no discussion on your part other than that single line in the OP. Why are surprised you aren't getting intelligent discussion?
No one is trolling you, you simply didn't start a strong thread with your own discussion.
As for your question. NO, I don't think AMD talking about Streamroller before Vishera means anything at all about the quality of Vishera. That was your question.
The only reasoning you gave for your stance of Vishera "sucking" is AMD talking about Steamroller recently. There was no discussion on your part other than that single line in the OP. Why are surprised you aren't getting intelligent discussion?
No one is trolling you, you simply didn't start a strong thread with your own discussion.
As for your question. NO, I don't think AMD talking about Streamroller before Vishera means anything at all about the quality of Vishera. That was your question.
Has anyone ever looked back at past Hot Chips and ISSCC talks to see presentation->launch delays from less-currently-contentious chips? Seems like it'd be an easy way to figure out whether this is just par for the course (and nobody here has noticed before), or really something new.
Personally I put zero stock/concern into these efforts to read the tea leaves of AMD's Hot Chips announcements on SteamRoller and Jaguar. AMD knows it must execute. My concern rests squarely on the process technology and the fab.
If they (GloFo) can't get 28nm to hit its parametric targets then the most sophisticated and optimized MPU design AMD can muster is going to fall flat once the binning starts. GloFo has 1/4 the resources to throw at 28nm development and optimization versus TSMC (its not nearly as bad as the gap was between AMD and Intel, but 4:1 for TSMC and GloFo is not confidence building).
http://www.socle-tech.com.tw/en/press_56.html
http://www.esilicon.com/press-relea...microprocessor-cluster-for-embedded-platforms
http://www.adapteva.com/news/adapte...-begin-to-sample-64-core-28nm-microprocessor/
It would appear only 28-nm SLP is ready... LPH, HP, SHP tape outs yet to be seen. (Also, eSilicons CEO is part of the Board of Directors which means even more SoC focus...)
I came across this IBM/SOI Industry Consortium study of Bulk vs SOI with regard to FinFET's, and although this study only seems to address fabrication down to 40-50nm, it suggests, according to slide 11, that once you start getting smaller than 40nm with bulk, it seems to start losing performance vs SOI. I'm curious as to just how small the process will get with Bulk before it simply cannot perform as desired and another process is required. Intel is still using bulk even with it's 22nm process with Ivy Bridge and AMD will be switching back to Bulk with Steamroller (Vishera should be SOI), so obviously it's still viable at that size, but I do remember reading about the world smallest transistor having been created earlier this year which was the size of a single atom, which apparently is .1nm. How they will create the fab process for that beats the hell outta me, but if anyone can figure it out, jump on that patent in a hurry!
AMD still bothers making CPUs?
And GPUs for that matter. A bit counter-intuitive from a profitability standpoint, (has been for a while). I wish them success anyway - I just don't know what success will look like AMD.
How about high performance low power synthesisable processor inside two of the three next consoles, and graphics inside all three?
Lets see if that really happens, if AMD can meet the demand, and how profitable it is.
I really dont see how the console manufacturers can depend on AMDs fab partners to meet the demand.
How about high performance low power synthesisable processor inside two of the three next consoles, and graphics inside all three?
All I have to say is you'll better hope they stay making cpu's and gpu's. I don't think want to be down to one company each making those. They will be able to charge rediculus prices for them because they will have no competition.
Rory Read didn't admit defeat for AMD. What he said was that he was going to differentiate AMD's products from Intel's products. Also, the particular market he was talking about was the mobile one.Hasn't the current CEO of amd admitted defeat and recently state they are no longer trying for the top tier? Sorry I can't remember the exact wording.
The company will also stop trying to take on Intel Corp. (INTC) directly in striving to make faster processors, a strategy that’s going to produce chips that are needlessly powerful.
“That era is done,” Read, 50, said in an interview. “There’s enough processing power on every laptop on the planet today.”
Computing is increasingly moving to the cloud -- data centers that supply services over the Internet -- creating a need for chips that are tuned for displaying video and other media and don’t need to crunch large amounts of information, Read said. It’s shifting the competition to a race for chips that contain multiple functions, exactly where phone-chip makers excel, he said.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-15/amd-ceo-read-says-flexibility-trumps-speed-in-sales-raceDelivering Trinity will also help AMD (AMD) prove to suppliers that it’s becoming more reliable. It won’t suffer from the supply shortages that held back sales of its predecessor, Read said. In addition, AMD’s pricing means that computer makers will be able to produce thin and light machines that are cheaper than the Ultrabooks being pushed by Intel, he said.
“I think we come in and steal the bacon around the whole thin-and-light movement and capture a significant portion of the opportunity there,” he said.
Read is trying to turn around a company that’s struggled against its larger rival ever since it was founded a year after Intel in 1969. AMD has reported five annual profits in the last 10 years, with losses dwarfing net (AMD) income over that period.
To change that, Read said he’s implementing a greater use of statistics and measurements in AMD operations and demanding employees take personal responsibility for mistakes. His strategy of differentiating AMD’s products from those made by Intel, which has more than 80 percent of the market for PC processors, will fully manifest in 2015, he said.
“It can be a very different AMD going forward, but we have a long way to go,” he said. “There’s been a passion for innovation but there needs to be a passion for delivery and a passion for the customers.”
This is aimed at the enthusiast market.Rory Read said:From a server standpoint, with the introduction of the Opteron Bulldozer product, we saw a good uptake in the initial launch around the
high-performance compute segment. And there is no doubt that that success is a good foundation and showed our early progress there. We've
communicated before that we need to leverage our Opteron/Bulldozer solution, which is a solid technology, on the key workloads and the key
customer segments where we enjoyed a performance advantage. This is key, and we will continue to build that where we can add modest share
gains quarter on quarter, quarter after quarter.