AMD & NV image quality comparison

[ocre]

So now grasp for straws.

The original bf4 AF issue busted but lets throw a whole bunch of other random things and try to paint some masterpiece out of it. What about that guy who had an issue on this game, yeah.....could be a lot of things. User error, maybe he did t restart the game after changing settings. Or maybe even mixed up some screen shots.

I started letting really interested in this when the bf4 Titan fury gregster stuff first came out, but clearly it is a total bust. It is obvious. But now it seems there are a few that have to try to make something out of it, when there is nothing.
Next.....

 

[amenx]

Gregster is not the only one that had lower IQ switching from AMD to Nvidia.
Project Cars also had higher IQ on the Fury, was not just BF4. His TX is also OC over 1.3GHz, that accounts for a much higher performance in BF4.

Jacky60 and other users noticed a lower IQ too:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2437903

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533575&postcount=73

 

[amenx]

So now grasp for straws.

The original bf4 AF issue busted but lets throw a whole bunch of other random things and try to paint some masterpiece out of it. What about that guy who had an issue on this game, yeah.....could be a lot of things. User error, maybe he did t restart the game after changing settings. Or maybe even mixed up some screen shots.

I started letting really interested in this when the bf4 Titan fury gregster stuff first came out, but clearly it is a total bust. It is obvious. But now it seems there are a few that have to try to make something out of it, when there is nothing.
Next.....

Someone on TPU started a similar thread and got nowhere. He cherry picked selected things from this thread and even an image (Sleeping Dogs) but left out the other image which debunks it. Man the extent some people go to misrepresent an argument. Another posted a year old article that Nvidia HDMI only gets 16-235 RGB without a clue that its been long resolved. Mod closed the thread due to misleading info.

 

[Keysplayr]

Gregster is not the only one that had lower IQ switching from AMD to Nvidia.
Project Cars also had higher IQ on the Fury, was not just BF4. His TX is also OC over 1.3GHz, that accounts for a much higher performance in BF4.

Jacky60 and other users noticed a lower IQ too:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2437903
Some from [H] also noticed from personal experience.

desprado doesn't have this problem, so it doesn't happen to all, might be only with recent Nvidia drivers or a specific version of DDU, or a bad use of DDU (no safe mode).

We cannot cherry pick examples, we have to see all that there is and make a conclusion, the more the better.

Now it would be good to people here to put emotion at a side and be more rational about it.
Why they want this this thread closed? is this thread hurting them?
We don't know for sure how to replicate this bug, but we know that it exists, unless you guys believe everyone is lying...

I see.

"Jacky60 and other users noticed a lower IQ too:"

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533575&postcount=73

 

[amenx]

Btw, there are thousands of people who switched and continue to switch between AMD and Nvidia - and on a whole - reported IQ issues are very rarely mentioned. As well as countless reviews of dozens of reviewers who intimately know both sides. Due to the large number of people who have experienced both sides, there is bound to be a handful who may report IQ discrepancies. But by and large, even the handful are largely resolved through settings or debunked.

 

[Tapoer]

We are talking about default setting in the NCP, Jacky60 was pleased with Nvidia IQ after changing settings in the NCP.

With some fiddling on Nvidia control panel the image quality on GTA5 is broadly similar with the quadfire

Once again we are talking about a bug that on some specific situation the default settings in NCP are not working as they should.

 

[godihatework]

If by irrelevant you mean a nasty bug that gives you crap IQ unless you remove all driver traces & a clean reinstall... yeah no.

You guys are saying its Greg's PC that's the problem. Other guys including our AT member Jacky60 says no. It's a driver bug that needs manual settings to get good IQ.

Still nothing about the CCC finding then?

Riiiiight.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Someone on TPU started a similar thread and got nowhere. He cherry picked selected things from this thread and even an image (Sleeping Dogs) but left out the other image which debunks it. Man the extent some people go to misrepresent an argument. Another posted a year old article that Nvidia HDMI only gets 16-235 RGB without a clue that its been long resolved. Mod closed the thread due to misleading info.

It was bound to happen after the Fury release, specially with the pumpgate running. The desperation to try and change the situation and cast focus elsewhere.

 

[Tapoer]

Sure ShintaiDK, everyone is a fanboy, if someone tries to investigate this problem on an amateur fashion have to be a fanboy.

If your response was for me:
I'm not you, I have no second intentions with my posts.
And by the way, FX as of now is a poor choice, very underused at 1080p (poor drivers), only 4GB, worst perf/W than 980Ti, lower OC margin, pump noise, etc.
So no ShintaiDK, I don't care about FX.

Sorry everyone for the offtopic.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its not about investing the problem anymore. That part is long over. Yet some people still try to act like the problem is there and would like to see the blame casted at nVidia. Better yet with a cheat mark attached.

There is a thing called source critisism. Yet for some reason it doesnt apply here.

 

[Keysplayr]

We are talking about default setting in the NCP, Jacky60 was pleased with Nvidia IQ after changing settings in the NCP.


Once again we are talking about a bug that on some specific situation the default settings in NCP are not working as they should.

Thats not what the title of this thread states. Try getting the OP to change it.

 

[Tapoer]

True Keysplayr, this isn't a general problem anymore, it's much more rare that I initially tough. This thread title could be more specific.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

It was bound to happen after the Fury release, specially with the pumpgate running. The desperation to try and change the situation and cast focus elsewhere.

When the memory issues of the 970 came to light, there was a desperate attempt to get threads locked and throw up some smoke and mirrors.

This is just a case of non-empirical testing and gut feelings. I like your attempt to move focus to the pumps of the Fury X and away from Nvidia image quality though. Right before you condemn the practice too, very clever lol

 

[desprado]

Problem has been found my Greg and fixed.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18679909&page=4
Now plz can we close this discussion?

 

[casiofx]

Problem found and fixed.
Users of both camps should set up CCC and NCP to high quality texture filtering.
I set mine to that and don't really care the 4% performance loss on my 290. OCed it and no performance loss anymore.

 

[Keysplayr]

When the memory issues of the 970 came to light, there was a desperate attempt to get threads locked and throw up some smoke and mirrors.

This is just a case of non-empirical testing and gut feelings. I like your attempt to move focus to the pumps of the Fury X and away from Nvidia image quality though. Right before you condemn the practice too, very clever lol

Well, what would you like to see happen here then?
Would you perpetuate the myth further or.........

 

[Head1985]

When 970 3,5GB fiasco reached surface, there were some people on this forum actively shoving it under a rug, trying to lock the thread at all cost. Deep denial and disgusting attempts to discredit sources were the main means of action. If you look through this thread and the thread about 3,5GB, you can see the same names taking the same places, using the same tricks, just the topic changed.

I think this thread should also include a poll. Do you believe in "losslessness" of nvidia lossless color compression? How far can they push image quality degradation before poeple will notice? We had some people going from amd to nv noticing image quality loss without magnifying glass-side-by-side screenshot comparision. Most users don't use 2 graphics cards, one from each vendor to compare quality - they will never know what details they are missing. In this example the line can be pushed a lot.

Reviewers who have free access to whole range of graphics cards from every manufacturer should pay close attention to this matter, as we had this type of stuff happen in the past.

nv is experimenting with the market:
1. $1000 GPU
2. False gpu specifications
3. Mobile overclocking is bug.
4. Neglecting performance for competition...
5. ...and their own relatively fresh (1year old) user base.
6. And now image quality shenanigans...

I had that feeling in a guts that nv may be doing something to worsen user experience for those that switched from nv to amd. Something with the drivers, that would still be in the system after nv driver was uninstalled, that would later make amd gpu perform worse than it should, causing driver issues for amd. At this point I wouldn't put that past nv given their recent history.

i started that GTX970 3.5GB thread but i dont think there is problem with NV AF.
i even think that NV AF have better IQ than AMD when both are set to High quality.
AMD struggle with AF since cypress series.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Well, what would you like to see happen here then?
Would you perpetuate the myth further or.........

There isn't much different that can happen here. I wouldn't mind seeing an image quality comparison section in unbiased reviews, but meh.

I haven't ever noticed a difference in image quality switching between AMD and Nvidia cards. But that's just my "gut feeling" the same as someone that says they have. I haven't ever felt the need to do a "before and after" IQ test. Im usually looking more into the noise, temps and frames.

 

[gamervivek]

i started that GTX970 3.5GB thread but i dont think there is problem with NV AF.
i even think that NV AF have better IQ than AMD when both are set to High quality.
AMD struggle with AF since cypress series.

Amusing you'd say that.

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...as-ati-5870-af-filtering-broken.49106/page-11

 

[HurleyBird]

Problem has been found my Greg and fixed.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18679909&page=4
Now plz can we close this discussion?

Not surprised in the slightest that the issue was discovered to be tied to multi-monitor. I've had so many issues with Nvidia drivers and multi-monitor configurations that I've pretty much resigned myself to switching back to AMD at 14nm and never going back. Surround was bad enough, but now I'm getting random system hands with a 40" 4K and 2 1920x1200 displays on either side in portrait mode. Occasionally the 980 just fails to detect the 4K display altogether

 

[Gregster1970]

I learnt a lesson from all this and that is to check and double check before submitting anything. But pleased to conmfirm that all settings are correct and present. Monitors are calibrated and the NCP is set for "Prefer max quality".

Sorry to everyone for my noobness but very new to this capture card recording and will get better with time

 

[tential]

There isn't much different that can happen here. I wouldn't mind seeing an image quality comparison section in unbiased reviews, but meh.

I haven't ever noticed a difference in image quality switching between AMD and Nvidia cards. But that's just my "gut feeling" the same as someone that says they have. I haven't ever felt the need to do a "before and after" IQ test. Im usually looking more into the noise, temps and frames.

It's all based on how sensitive you are though. If nvidia is pushing higher framerates by turning down some settings within the driver controls it sucks for us enthusiasts. For casual users though it makes cards last longer than they otherwise would ad removes things they wouldn't care about.

I see the pros and cons.

It's horrible for reviewers though.

 

[amenx]

Gregsters new video after getting settings in order. TX vs FX in W3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gaT5CGafuQ

Seems like a bit of micro-stutter in FX side.

 

[5150Joker]

So now grasp for straws.

The original bf4 AF issue busted but lets throw a whole bunch of other random things and try to paint some masterpiece out of it. What about that guy who had an issue on this game, yeah.....could be a lot of things. User error, maybe he did t restart the game after changing settings. Or maybe even mixed up some screen shots.

I started letting really interested in this when the bf4 Titan fury gregster stuff first came out, but clearly it is a total bust. It is obvious. But now it seems there are a few that have to try to make something out of it, when there is nothing.
Next.....

I knew this from the start since i never saw what the shills claimed in bf4 with my titan x. But yah their effort to make something out of nothing was a bust, much like the fury x.

Infraction issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart

 

[Spanners]

I knew this from the start since i never saw what the shills claimed in bf4 with my titan x. But yah their effort to make something out of nothing was a bust, much like the fury x.

Is that kind of trash really necessary? You may think you've scored some points there but it's off topic and kind of cringe worthy.