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gamervivek

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Whilst I was more than happy to admit that I made some mistakes and was a noob, I didn't come here to be insulted. I will leave it there and I clarified everything as best I could. Thanks for the insults.

Oh come on, it's highly amusing that your video started this fiasco when everybody knew how much of a nvidia fanboy you were. It's not like I haven't browsed ocuk before. And I haven't insulted you in the least, I'm just pointing out how you're so happy to see Fury flounder with mantle.

A mantle vs. dx11 comparison with the settings you used in the original titan x vs. fury x comparison at 1080p would do wonders. But apparently you can't shake off the belief that it will only make things worse.
 

gamervivek

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In other words, whatever you had to show was all in your imagination. I figured as much. No need to show me now, but thanks for the effort.

Of course, wasted as usual.
And lol at me scaring away greggy, when I'm the one who has got a moderator warning. Keep up the efforts though.
 

Keysplayr

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Of course, wasted as usual.
And lol at me scaring away greggy, when I'm the one who has got a moderator warning. Keep up the efforts though.

Well, you did kind of turn on him at the speed of sound when he didn't give you the fuel you wanted. I mean, anyone can see that. Who's better than you?
 

railven

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Oh come on, it's highly amusing that your video started this fiasco when everybody knew how much of a nvidia fanboy you were. It's not like I haven't browsed ocuk before. And I haven't insulted you in the least, I'm just pointing out how you're so happy to see Fury flounder with mantle.

A mantle vs. dx11 comparison with the settings you used in the original titan x vs. fury x comparison at 1080p would do wonders. But apparently you can't shake off the belief that it will only make things worse.

TIL: NV fanboy makes video that makes Nvidia look bad and starts witch hunt AGAINST Nvidia.

Gregster, you're doing it wrong. D:

 

ShintaiDK

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Whilst I was more than happy to admit that I made some mistakes and was a noob, I didn't come here to be insulted. I will leave it there and I clarified everything as best I could. Thanks for the insults.

Thanks Greg. With stuff like this its best when the producer behind gets it sorted out so its not constantly attempted to be reused as flawed argument.

And dont let the small angry crowd get to you.
 

Gregster1970

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Oh come on, it's highly amusing that your video started this fiasco when everybody knew how much of a nvidia fanboy you were. It's not like I haven't browsed ocuk before. And I haven't insulted you in the least, I'm just pointing out how you're so happy to see Fury flounder with mantle.

A mantle vs. dx11 comparison with the settings you used in the original titan x vs. fury x comparison at 1080p would do wonders. But apparently you can't shake off the belief that it will only make things worse.

All you needed to do was to check my video's... This has been there for some time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r5pGUKOh1I

That is DX11 against Mantle at 1080P (both on the Fury X). First you tell me I need 200%, then you tell me I need 1080P, it seems no matter what, you have it that I am doing it wrong, so what next? You make out you know me but really you don't. I have A titan X, A fury X and a 7950 but your personal agenda is getting in the way. Not sure why I replied, as this will get picked apart but I do bring evidence to the table whilst you don't actually bring anything other than rude insults.

Thanks for the kind words everyone else and I thought I did quite well seeing as I had to squeeze all this testing in between doing 12 hour shifts and keeping the wife happy
 
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gamervivek

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Well, you did kind of turn on him at the speed of sound when he didn't give you the fuel you wanted. I mean, anyone can see that. Who's better than you?

hahaha, turn on him? Where? That's quite an imagination you have. I've always been against him.

Look, I've seen the difference in LoD and color profiles before as well, heck I posted one b3d thread from 2010, what was utterly hilarious was that his video which showed Titan X laying a smackdown on Fury in fps ended up crucifying nvidia instead.

The difference in colors is still there, harder to gauge if there is one in LoD, there was only 1:31 in that video where it seemed so.

TIL: NV fanboy makes video that makes Nvidia look bad and starts witch hunt AGAINST Nvidia.

Gregster, you're doing it wrong. D:


Indeed, that is why it's quite the fiasco.
 

stahlhart

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Respectful to someone who jumps in between with a little sarcastic remark while discussing a video and doesn't get the hint that the 1:31 refers to that video itself. Even after my repeating it in another reply.

No, respectful to everyone in this forum you interact with, including members you don't share an opinion with.

I asked you, for the purpose of clarification, to cite the video you are referring to separately, so that individuals reading this thread don't have to dig through fifteen pages to try and figure out what you are talking about. You haven't done that.


Amusing how quick you're to jump on it when what was simply needed was just a testing of mantle at 1080p at 100% resolution scaling which is what was there in your original benchmark. And greggy it is.

Have fun amusing yourself somewhere else.

-- stahlhart
 

stahlhart

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As stated earlier, get this thread back on topic and resume the discussion.
-- stahlhart
 

ocre

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Sorry I didn't really examine those imgur images properly, yes that is exactly what I was experiencing in GTA5.

That effect is just very very similar to the ps3 game. I never noticed it until the patch installed. Another thing, i quit using Nvidia shadows after i got my gsync monitor. I am using the game engines soft shadows. With gysnc i was able to run ultra + ultra grass with txaa, I tried the game engine shadows because people were saying that it looked and performed the best.

Anyway, since then i noticed the weird blur.

I brought up the shadows because I just got through reading on another thread. They claimed shadows effect the AF but i am not sure how or why it is supposed to. Perhaps it is a bug introduced with the last patch which aimed to improve performance.

I am gonna try forcing AF in the control panel and i will try just changing back to nvidia shadows, just to see if there is some correlation with the shadows and the blurriness.

I would love to hear if you are able to resolve this on your side. I will see what i figure out on my side
 

ocre

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Some people take offense to the word ignorant

I really don't understand why. I myself am ignorant to many things and I would say that I don't know a single person who knows everything.
 

3DVagabond

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Some people take offense to the word ignorant

I really don't understand why. I myself am ignorant to many things and I would say that I don't know a single person who knows everything.

There's more than one meaning to the word.

ignorant
ˈɪɡn(&#601r(&#601nt/
adjective
1.
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
"he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"
synonyms: uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed, unenlightened, unscholarly, unqualified, benighted, backward; More
2.
informal
discourteous or rude.
"this ignorant, pin-brained receptionist"
synonyms: rude, impolite, ill-mannered, bad-mannered, unmannerly, ungracious, discourteous, insensitive, uncivil, ill-humoured, surly, sullen; More

I can't think of any reason to not take offense when it's used as a noun.
 

ocre

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nmmmm

Your post inspired me to read it again. I concede. The "an", I totally missed that. Kind of not what I saw when read it the first time.....

I was skimming post with my phone, my bad. That was pretty rude
 

ShintaiDK

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There's more than one meaning to the word.

An ignorant is just a person that doesnt know any better.

Unknowledgeable or uneducated; characterized by ignorance

I can't think of any reason to not take offense when it's used as a noun.

If there is some special way of using it in english in terms of slang that makes it rude. Then I am sorry about that.

The danish wordbook doesnt have any offensive meaning to the word.
 
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xthetenth

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Saying someone is ignorant means they don't know something based on context, so the insult varies based on that context. Leaving it general is still pretty insulting because it implies they're ignorant overall and don't know much. Saying someone is an ignorant goes a step past that, by basically stating that overall ignorance is one of their salient characteristics.
 

railven

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So there was no IQ issue at the source here? Just some goofed up settings/bugs specifically related to BF4? Case closed? Case closed.
 

Tapoer

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So there was no IQ issue at the source here? Just some goofed up settings/bugs specifically related to BF4? Case closed? Case closed.

Not so simple. Gregster had to force high quality on NCP for AF to work in BF4, Project Cars also had lower quality, which also seems that AF wasn't working with default NCP settings.
EDIT: AFAIK what Gregster fixed with the monitor setting was the washed out colors, not the AF problem with default NCP.

Jacky60 in:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2437903
Also noticed a lower IQ when he installed is 980 Ti, he had to force high quality to minimize the IQ difference (didn't mention BF4), although in GTA5 AF still doesn't seems to be working.

Resuming, some users when changing from AMD to Nvidia using a driver cleaning tool (no OS reinstall) and installing a very recent Nvidia driver, the NCP at defaults bugs out and AF doesn't work at least on some games. AF needs to be forced for it to work.

This is what I gather from all the information available.

The big problem is that this bug might occur on reviews if they don't reinstall the OS and go for the fast option of using a driver cleaner.
 
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antihelten

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The danish wordbook doesnt have any offensive meaning to the word.

This is blatantly false, just like in english the word "ignorant" can be offensive in danish as well (I'm danish too by the way), it all depends upon context.
 

antihelten

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Then you should be familiar with this:
http://ordnet.dk/ddo/ordbog?query=ignorant

And you should be familiar with this:
http://sproget.dk/lookup?SearchableText=ignorant

English translation:
The Danish Dictionary

ignoramus 1 sb. fk. ( article is abbreviated - see the article in DDO )
ignorant person; person who does not know better
ignoramus 2 adj. ( article is abbreviated - see the article in DDO )
ignorant; stupid

Danish Thesaurus
ignorant: ignorant , underachiever , half studied robber , thick ignorant fool , see. novice
 

ocre

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Not so simple. Gregster had to force high quality on NCP for AF to work in BF4, Project Cars also had lower quality, which also seems that AF wasn't working with default NCP settings.
EDIT: AFAIK what Gregster fixed with the monitor setting was the washed out colors, not the AF problem with default NCP.

Jacky60 in:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2437903
Also noticed a lower IQ when he installed is 980 Ti, he had to force high quality to minimize the IQ difference (didn't mention BF4), although in GTA5 AF still doesn't seems to be working.

Resuming, some users when changing from AMD to Nvidia using a driver cleaning tool (no OS reinstall) and installing a very recent Nvidia driver, the NCP at defaults bugs out and AF doesn't work at least on some games. AF needs to be forced for it to work.

This is what I gather from all the information available.

The big problem is that this bug might occur on reviews if they don't reinstall the OS and go for the fast option of using a driver cleaner.

Reviewers I know use different harddrives or use disk images. Issues going between AMD and nvidia are pretty well known, just post a question on any tech forum, "what do I need to do switching from AMD to nvidia". You will be told to totally remove the old drivers and people will offer several methods for doing this.

Having to switch back and forth over and over for reviews is time consuming and a hassle, this is why having two identical drives comes in handy: one for nvidia and one for AMD. Another option is disk imaging or separate partitions.

Anyway, you are trying to make this into something much bigger. One person having an issue is now time to question all reviewers and their techniques.

Gta5 isn't even an issue that involved switching between AMD and nvidia. The AF blur effected my PC after the latest patch. I haven't had an AMD card in this PC ever. The stranger thing here is that I have just post about this and we have in the discussion links of this known issue. It is not an AMD to nvidia card issue.

You seem to want to believe and throw out the things that go against this vision you have in your head. You see only what you want.
We have had many many people across several forums run bf4 and the AF is just fine with the NCP on its default settings. Surely some of these people have had an AMD card before. As a matter of fact, a person with an AMD card had the same issue. Which indicates, this is most likely something related to the game itself.....just like gta5 for me after the update.

By the way, you don't even have to put the NCP in highest quality to fix gta5, you only have to select 16x AF in the control panel instead of "let the application decide". This may be all gregster needs to do to fix his Bf4 issue, i checked bf4 myself and didn't have his issue so I can't try it myself.
Or he might try totally uninstalling BF4 then reinstall and or safe mode driver sweepers. But if the issue comes back every time he uses his fury card, he might should submit a bug report. The thing is though, others are not having the same issue.

But you take this so much further. You suggest that this might be some huge revolutionary discovery and that reviewers might be effected and this might skew nvidia card results. That is a lot of nights, based on some very very limited information, your imagination has ran wild. The thing is, you can't help to notice the difference. It stands out like a pink elephant in your bedroom. A kid could tell the difference, literally.
 

Tapoer

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Reviewers I know use different harddrives or use disk images. Issues going between AMD and nvidia are pretty well known, just post a question on any tech forum, "what do I need to do switching from AMD to nvidia". You will be told to totally remove the old drivers and people will offer several methods for doing this.

Having to switch back and forth over and over for reviews is time consuming and a hassle, this is why having two identical drives comes in handy: one for nvidia and one for AMD. Another option is disk imaging or separate partitions.

Anyway, you are trying to make this into something much bigger. One person having an issue is now time to question all reviewers and their techniques.

Gta5 isn't even an issue that involved switching between AMD and nvidia. The AF blur effected my PC after the latest patch. I haven't had an AMD card in this PC ever. The stranger thing here is that I have just post about this and we have in the discussion links of this known issue. It is not an AMD to nvidia card issue.

You seem to want to believe and throw out the things that go against this vision you have in your head. You see only what you want.
We have had many many people across several forums run bf4 and the AF is just fine with the NCP on its default settings. Surely some of these people have had an AMD card before. As a matter of fact, a person with an AMD card had the same issue. Which indicates, this is most likely something related to the game itself.....just like gta5 for me after the update.

By the way, you don't even have to put the NCP in highest quality to fix gta5, you only have to select 16x AF in the control panel instead of "let the application decide". This may be all gregster needs to do to fix his Bf4 issue, i checked bf4 myself and didn't have his issue so I can't try it myself.
Or he might try totally uninstalling BF4 then reinstall and or safe mode driver sweepers. But if the issue comes back every time he uses his fury card, he might should submit a bug report. The thing is though, others are not having the same issue.

But you take this so much further. You suggest that this might be some huge revolutionary discovery and that reviewers might be effected and this might skew nvidia card results. That is a lot of nights, based on some very very limited information, your imagination has ran wild. The thing is, you can't help to notice the difference. It stands out like a pink elephant in your bedroom. A kid could tell the difference, literally.

So now you are changing facts, now it's only one person with this problem?
And I'm the one that want to believe and see only what I want...

What I want is to know (not to believe) exactly how this bug triggers, but you are free to believe what you want.

Personal attacking me gets you nowhere, bring arguments about this problem to the table if you want discussion.
 
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godihatework

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So we've all already forgotten that this was replicated on 290's?

Or are we all agenda pushing here?

Because it's getting pretty old.
 
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