AMD & NV image quality comparison

[Keysplayr]

Why would those be relevant to the discussion at hand?

Another:

It just makes sense to include them. The more info the better.
You decided to only show the results that backs up your argument the best and that's normal in a debate, but everyone who has been following FuryX launch and reviews knows that FuryX closes the performance gap the higher the resultion. At 1080p, GM200 usually decimates FuryX. Not so at higher resolutions
as FuryX does incredibly well. Still not enough to beat GM200, but closes the gap considerably. So, that said, it would be fair of you to include
the obviously left out higher res benches.

 

[desprado]

Is it his problem or a problem with using and AMD card, DDU, then Nvidia. Or is it a possible driver bug that not everyone experiences? Is it a battlefield 4 issue from swapping cards? If you can confirm these, I think that would satisfy pretty much everyone.

I had that problem when i used R9 290X lighting Edition so its image was blur but i what i did just clear all my register files and use DDU on safe more that is it so it was back to normal and worked like charm.

 

[maddie]

To all only reading this thread and not posting. Go to the original source of this and see what you think about the character of the OP.

He posted something, asked for discussion and responded to suggestions/criticism.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18679713

To all the ones here who DO NOT want to discuss the problem but bury it.

I think thou doth protest too much.

 

[godihatework]

Is it his problem or a problem with using and AMD card, DDU, then Nvidia. Or is it a possible driver bug that not everyone experiences? Is it a battlefield 4 issue from swapping cards? If you can confirm these, I think that would satisfy pretty much everyone.

I think that's pretty much overkill. The issue is whether NV drivers default to 0X AF, leading to reduced IQ and artificially inflated findings (ostensibly "invalidating" all the Fury X comparison reviews). If they don't, which it appears has been proven, then the case has been settled. All the reviews which rely on default settings remain valid, and the Fury X, while a good card, is not the best card for the dollar.

 

[Tapoer]

With some fiddling on Nvidia control panel the image quality on GTA5 is broadly similar with the quadfire overall a bit better than 980ti. I still feel like I need an additional pair of glasses to focus people 50-80m away with SLI whereas they seem much clearer in GTA5 with quadfire. In Arma 3 the 980ti SLI definitely has the edge giving less stutter and longer playable view distances by a good margin (500M-1.5k). I was going to send the 980ti s back but now I think it's the 295x2s. This is real world gameplay and Arma 3 benchmarks with both images looking pretty much identical the extra power/memory/less overhead of the the 980ti SLI has me sold so far. Don't like to flip flop but I hadn't spent much time in Nvidia control panel before now and I'm liking what I'm seeing.

After playing with the NCP settings Jacky60 was finally pleased with the overall IQ on Nvidia, there is really something going on when swapping AMD for Nvidia, it not just Gregster.

 

[desprado]

I think that's pretty much overkill. The issue is whether NV drivers default to 0X AF, leading to reduced IQ and artificially inflated findings (ostensibly "invalidating" all the Fury X comparison reviews). If they don't, which it appears has been proven, then the case has been settled. All the reviews which rely on default settings remain valid, and the Fury X, while a good card, is not the best card for the dollar.

Totally wrong if it was on 0X AF by default than all Nvidia user would get a horrible IQ on every game and Review sites can notify like a butter.

You can check here .


It can be faked by NCP.


Look at my results.

A single GTX 980 on 1080p

NCP AF 16X and high quality

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/16...673/nyZBwC.png

NCP AF 0X (Gerg Image quality)

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1920x1080.../909/MvmOvF.png

NCP default (let the 3D application decide)

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/16...661/UXV95h.png

Greg Computer has some real problem

That is why their is thing call professional review.So a proper review and benchmark is not for everyone.

Yes i had a problem when i switch Nvidia from AMD.I bought R9 290X lighting edition but it did not have AF problem but only blur was causing the problem.

 

[Hitman928]

It just makes sense to include them. The more info the better.
You decided to only show the results that backs up your argument the best and that's normal in a debate, but everyone who has been following FuryX launch and reviews knows that FuryX closes the performance gap the higher the resultion. At 1080p, GM200 usually decimates FuryX. Not so at higher resolutions
as FuryX does incredibly well. Still not enough to beat GM200, but closes the gap considerably. So, that said, it would be fair of you to include
the obviously left out higher res benches.

What are you talking about? The argument was that no other site/test shows the Titan X with such a large lead over the Fury X as was shown in the video. Why would I show anything but 1080p results to counter this argument? What would that prove?

Also, the OP has a factory oc'd titan x so that will account for some of it as well.

 

[Hitman928]

I think that's pretty much overkill. The issue is whether NV drivers default to 0X AF, leading to reduced IQ and artificially inflated findings (ostensibly "invalidating" all the Fury X comparison reviews). If they don't, which it appears has been proven, then the case has been settled. All the reviews which rely on default settings remain valid, and the Fury X, while a good card, is not the best card for the dollar.

Fair enough, but that might settle it for you. Some of us switch between both vendors and if there is an issue persistent after using DDU or something else going on, I would like to know.

 

[godihatework]

Totally wrong if it was on 0X AF by default than all Nvidia user would get a horrible IQ on every game and Review sites can notify like a butter.

You can check here .


It can be faked by NCP.


Look at my results.

A single GTX 980 on 1080p

NCP AF 16X and high quality

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/16...673/nyZBwC.png

NCP AF 0X (Gerg Image quality)

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1920x1080.../909/MvmOvF.png

NCP default (let the 3D application decide)

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/16...661/UXV95h.png

Greg Computer has some real problem

That is why their is thing call professional review.So a proper review and benchmark is not for everyone.

Yes i had a problem when i switch Nvidia from AMD.I bought R9 290X lighting edition but it did not have AF problem but only blur was causing the problem.

Yes. That's my point.

I tend to think that this is a result of PEBKAC (whether intentional or unintentional) for the person posting the videos.

 

[Silverforce11]

Just did a few 3dmark 11 runs:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10012862 11466 graphics score: 14376 - default settings

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10012905 11195 graphics score: 13802 - AFx16

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10012998 11009 graphics score: 13485 - tex filtering = HQ

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10012969 10995 graphics score: 13485 - AFx16 + tex filtering = HQ

From your results, basically if you leave AF on application control (default), you get higher scores, as its somehow bugged and won't apply HQ in-app.

But if you force it with your own setting, it works fine. Reproducible by others?

This is what I did back when I was using a gtx670:

This is what I do now on my AMD GPUs:

 

[maddie]

What are you talking about? The argument was that no other site/test shows the Titan X with such a large lead over the Fury X as was shown in the video. Why would I show anything but 1080p results to counter this argument? What would that prove?

Also, the OP has a factory oc'd titan x so that will account for some of it as well.

Blind reactive posting to a perceived anti-Nvidia thread?

 

[godihatework]

Fair enough, but that might settle it for you. Some of us switch between both vendors and if there is an issue persistent after using DDU or something else going on, I would like to know.

Also fair enough - but to be frank, if there is an issue related to vendor transition i don't think that is an AMD or Nvidia problem.

But your concern is not the concern that is being painted in these threads, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[desprado]

From your results, basically if you leave AF on application control (default), you get higher scores, as its somehow bugged and won't apply HQ in-app.

But if you force it with your own setting, it works fine.

Reproducible by others?

I already done that for all game and no difference ,however , only the game which is suffering for me is Thief when i set NCP to high quality.

 

[Hitman928]

Also fair enough - but to be frank, if there is an issue related to vendor transition i don't think that is an AMD or Nvidia problem.

But your concern is not the concern that is being painted in these threads, by any stretch of the imagination.

IMO, the discussion continues to evolve as more evidence is presented, just like the original discussion had nothing to do with nvidia driver/quality settings. In other words, as I've already posted, people shouldn't be jumping to conclusions and let an honest discussion play out, thank you for your level headed input :thumbsup:

 

[desprado]

IMO, the discussion continues to evolve as more evidence is presented, just like the original discussion had nothing to do with nvidia driver/quality settings. In other words, as I've already posted, people shouldn't be jumping to conclusions and let an honest discussion play out, thank you for your level headed input :thumbsup:

But final judgement will be decided when a Titan X owner post IQ of battlefiled 4 on NCP default because the real issue came from Titan X.

 

[Hitman928]

But final judgement will be decided when a Titan X owner post IQ of battlefiled 4 on NCP default because the real issue came from Titan X.

Two things I'd like to see:

1) Someone with Nvidia card (Titan X preferably) and an AMD card install AMD card with drivers, remove including running DDU, install Nvidia card and drivers and run BF4 without any changes in nvcp.

2) The OP do a fresh Windows install with only the TitanX and see if his same problem persists.

I think these two things would narrow things down significantly but not easy to get done as you're asking people to volunteer a significant amount of time.

 

[desprado]

Two things I'd like to see:

1) Someone with Nvidia card (Titan X preferably) and an AMD card install AMD card with drivers, remove including running DDU, install Nvidia card and drivers and run BF4 without any changes in nvcp.

2) The OP do a fresh Windows install with only the TitanX and see if his same problem persists.

I think these two things would narrow things down significantly but not easy to get done as you're asking people to volunteer a significant amount of time.

Yes that what i am saying their is no IQ issue with GTX 960, 970, 980/Ti, however, in OC forum non of Titan X posted screenshot of Bf4 with NCP default except Greg.

So their could be Titan X problem but we do not know is the problem and of course one thing is sure that whether it is an issue on Titan X or on Greg PC only.

 

[godihatework]

Two things I'd like to see:

1) Someone with Nvidia card (Titan X preferably) and an AMD card install AMD card with drivers, remove including running DDU, install Nvidia card and drivers and run BF4 without any changes in nvcp.

2) The OP do a fresh Windows install with only the TitanX and see if his same problem persists.

I think these two things would narrow things down significantly but not easy to get done as you're asking people to volunteer a significant amount of time.

Most of your (good) review sites use fresh installs when switching from vendor to vendor - so I think that would address your concerns.

Additionally - if you do change from vendor to vendor with enough frequency for this to be an issue, one would think you would shortly be in a position to provide real world feedback

 

[Silverforce11]

Just did a few 3dmark 11 runs:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10012862 11466 graphics score: 14376 - default settings

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10012969 10995 graphics score: 13485 - AFx16 + tex filtering = HQ

What GPU is this btw @amenx? There's a major difference in performance.

The default setting is much faster which suggests its doing inferior filtering than forcing HQ 16x.

Edit: thanks @godihatework forgot the url was linked.

 

[desprado]

What GPU is this btw @amenx? There's a major difference in performance.

The default setting is much faster which suggests its doing inferior filtering than forcing HQ 16x.

Even if you Did than on AMD will also impact on performance.

You can try if you want.

I have tried on both long time ago.

 

[godihatework]

What GPU is this btw @amenx? There's a major difference in performance.

The default setting is much faster which suggests its doing inferior filtering than forcing HQ 16x.

click the links?

EDIT

Also - the default score appears to have Max Aniso set to 2 rather than 1 for the other three scores. Take out that outlier and the findings are within a 2% margin of error.

 

[maddie]

Two things I'd like to see:

1) Someone with Nvidia card (Titan X preferably) and an AMD card install AMD card with drivers, remove including running DDU, install Nvidia card and drivers and run BF4 without any changes in nvcp.

2) The OP do a fresh Windows install with only the TitanX and see if his same problem persists.

I think these two things would narrow things down significantly but not easy to get done as you're asking people to volunteer a significant amount of time.

Exactly.

People posting single card results as proof one way or the other are not reproducing the original situation.

Gregster stated exactly what he did. To refute you have to exactly reproduce and either confirm or reject his results.

Stating that I have a Titan X and don't get his results when I do XYZ, proves nothing, and the amazing part is that some posters don't even realize this.

 

[AtenRa]

For the BF4 pics, what FOV is being used so i can take some pics of my own to compare ???

 

[Silverforce11]

Btw this is default let app decide, for AF quality:

Not to be confused with this:

 

[desprado]

For the BF4 pics, what FOV is being used so i can take some pics of my own to compare ???

you can compare with my pic.Fov i think is on 55 but i am not sure.