AMD & NV image quality comparison

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Ma_Deuce

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I knew this from the start since i never saw what the shills claimed in bf4 with my titan x. But yah their effort to make something out of nothing was a bust, much like the fury x.

I guess I would be pretty disgruntled too if I wasted the $$$ on a titan x.
 

antihelten

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I learnt a lesson from all this and that is to check and double check before submitting anything. But pleased to conmfirm that all settings are correct and present. Monitors are calibrated and the NCP is set for "Prefer max quality".

Sorry to everyone for my noobness but very new to this capture card recording and will get better with time

Glad to see you got it sorted, just one question though. As far as I understand switching to the ROG monitor fixed the colour issues, but what about the AF issue? In other words, have you tried running with the default NCP settings (instead of "prefer max quality") on that monitor (also if possible, it might be interesting to test it by alt-tabbing in and out of BF4, as someone else mentioned that this might be a factor)?
 
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ocre

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Glad to see you got it sorted, just one question though. As far as I understand switching to the ROG monitor fixed the colour issues, but what about the AF issue? In other words, have you tried running with the default NCP settings (instead of "prefer max quality") on that monitor (also if possible, it might be interesting to test it by alt-tabbing in and out of BF4, as someone else mentioned that this might be a factor)?

The AF issue was debunked first by countless people across multiple forums posting their results with default NCP settings.

Gregsters results were only repeatable when AF was forced to zero in the NCP, which absolutely is not the default setting.

That one went a bust right off the bat. So then the color difference started getting all the attention, which again, was just an issue with his setup. The moral to the story, be mindful of your settings. When changing out HW, if something doesn't look right, check your settings or ask people who know more for help. This was blown into some huge conspiracy and it kind of funny. The more of these kind of threads, the less serious people might take the next issue.
 
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antihelten

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The AF issue was debunked first by countless people across multiple forums posting their results with default NCP settings.

Gregsters results were only repeatable when AF was forced to zero in the NCP, which absolutely is not the default setting.

That one went a bust right off the bat. So then the color difference started getting all the attention, which again, was just an issue with his setup. The moral to the story, be mindful of your settings. When changing out HW, if something doesn't look right, check your settings or ask people who know more for help. This was blown into some huge conspiracy and it kind of funny. The more of these kind of threads, the less serious people might take the next issue.

Sigh. No the AF issue was not debunked, Gregster absolutely suffered from it. What was debunked was that it was somehow an Nvidia specific issue, but obviously something caused it, and I'm simply interesting in figuring out what that something was.

And no Gregsters results were not just repeatable with AF forced to 0, since others were capable of reproducing without even touching the NCP (since the person in question used an AMD card):

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28271368&postcount=366

Now we can pretty much conclude that it has nothing to do with the NCP as such, but it might still be a very peculiar BF4 bug, that involves changes in the NCP (and AMDs CCC), and not restarting the game between settings changes.

Gregster changing his monitor setup fixed the colour issue, but it doesn't really get us any closer to understanding the above issue.

Now it might just be academic (since apparently people only care about graphics issues if they can use them as fodder in their fanboy wars), but I'm still curious what exactly caused it (something that we still don't really know).
 

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Sorry for being a noob at this, but if you go into the ncp and change the settings isnt that then going to effect the fps? Hence then going to to effect them going head to head putting the titan x and the fury against each other then to get the same quality out of the box? Meaning if the amd looks good out of the box without having to change anything when they review it, but the nvida does not, but is faster when they review it, then you go and change the settings in the ncp to make the titan look as good as the amd, that then will slow it down wont it, then decreasing its fps then, making it come close to the amd when you test it again against the fury wouldnt it?

I would think that, if after you sort it out, and make the titan look as good as the fury after messing with the setting in the ncp, you should then retest it against the fury and see where the fps are at to get are accurate testing then, or am I wrong? When you start turning stuff on in the ncp its going to start slowing it down when you turn on some eye candy, which isnt going to make it as fast as it used to be, which will put it apple to apple against the fury then if your going to make it look as good as the fury does when its doing its job and not messing with a single setting within its panel at all.

BTW Im not a AMD fanboy, I own a 970, Im just a fan of my cash and Im thinking of picking up one of these cards and want to get the right one.
 
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antihelten

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Sorry for being a noob at this, but if you go into the ncp and change the settings isnt that then going to effect the fps? Hence then going to to effect them going head to head putting the titan x and the fury against each other then to get the same quality out of the box? Meaning if the amd looks good out of the box without having to change anything when they review it, but the nvida does not, but is faster when they review it, then you go and change the settings in the ncp to make the titan look as good as the amd, that then will slow it down wont it, then decreasing its fps then, making it come close to the amd when you test it again against the fury wouldnt it?

I would think that, if after you sort it out, and make the titan look as good as the fury after messing with the setting in the ncp, you should then retest it against the fury and see where the fps are at to get are accurate testing then, or am I wrong?

Yes the Titan X would run faster if the default settings lowered the IQ, but as has been shown this isn't really the case in general. Somehow Gregster stumbled over a very peculiar bug, that as far as we know only affects BF4, and only under very specific circumstances (and also affects AMD by the way).

So there is no real need for retesting, since it is very unlikely that any of the reviews out there has been affected by this.
 

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I'm going to heed this threads logic the next time I need a new car and print screen a half priced Ferrari for my wife to see. "See, they don't cost as much as you think"

You can't just screen shot your own conclusion and then stick your fingers in your ear and scream "case closed". A larger pool of samples is needed to make some type of conclusion about the driver defaulted AF and texture filtering. It serves to benefit enthusiasts and needs to be checked every so often anyhow.
 
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I found that putting the settings to "prefer max quality" made the image the same as the Fury X and this is what I wanted to test. Everything is now apples to apples in my testing and that is the way forward.
 

antihelten

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I found that putting the settings to "prefer max quality" made the image the same as the Fury X and this is what I wanted to test. Everything is now apples to apples in my testing and that is the way forward.

I totally get this, and I can understand if you can't be bothered digging more in this, I was just curious as to the exact nature of the bug that lead to this in the first place, but since you obviously have a setup now where it isn't present, figuring out the exact nature isn't really that pertinent.
 

boxleitnerb

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I think that's more to do with reviewers being lazy. For example, AMD's Evergreen cards had abysmal AF, but very few people seemed to notice it (despite the blatant crawl/shimmer), and only a few reviewers like computerbase.de bothered to test it. That pathetic AF was the reason why I sold my HD5870 and went back to my GTX 285.

You can't just say "the days of differing image quality are long gone". Either of them could pull that kind of crap at any time.

He is right though. There are many capable journalists on the German sites PCGH.de, ht4u.de and Computerbase.de who regularly look out for these problems even if you don't read about it. I read in the forums where they post (3dcenter.de) and believe me, if anything were to come up, it would be there. This site has always been at the spearhead of such analyses in their forums.
 

antihelten

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I think that's more to do with reviewers being lazy. For example, AMD's Evergreen cards had abysmal AF, but very few people seemed to notice it (despite the blatant crawl/shimmer), and only a few reviewers like computerbase.de bothered to test it. That pathetic AF was the reason why I sold my HD5870 and went back to my GTX 285.

You can't just say "the days of differing image quality are long gone". Either of them could pull that kind of crap at any time.

It's worth noting that AMDs supposedly "abysmal" AF (shimmering basically) with Evergreen was actually a result of them doing it AF correctly, whereas Nvidia would artificially tune their LOD to get rid of shimmering, but this also resulted in slightly more blurry textures (kinda like the tradeoff with FXAA). In other words it's a tradeoff really (and for the record I prefer Nvidias solution).

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...as-ati-5870-af-filtering-broken.49106/page-12
 

Erenhardt

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Originally Posted by 5150Joker View Post
I knew this from the start since i never saw what the shills claimed in bf4 with my titan x. But yah their effort to make something out of nothing was a bust, much like the fury x.
Is that kind of trash really necessary? You may think you've scored some points there but it's off topic and kind of cringe worthy.

I liked this part better:
I knew this from the start since i never saw what the shills claimed in bf4 with my titan x. But yah their effort to make something out of nothing was a bust, much like the fury x.
 

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What is more interesting about these kind of controversies is the fanboy nature of people buying into these cards. An impartial observer who valued the truth first and foremost would attempt to recreate the results to confirm and then potentially investigate the source of any difference in IQ.

Instead we have hordes of rabid fanboys eager to jump on any difference no matter how imaginary, it might be worth reflecting why you feel compelled to do this. It is helpful to weed these people out of online communities.
 

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What is more interesting about these kind of controversies is the fanboy nature of people buying into these cards. An impartial observer who valued the truth first and foremost would attempt to recreate the results to confirm and then potentially investigate the source of any difference in IQ.

Instead we have hordes of rabid fanboys eager to jump on any difference no matter how imaginary, it might be worth reflecting why you feel compelled to do this. It is helpful to weed these people out of online communities.

Is that what you got out of this thread? You want people banned for examining the report?
 

parvadomus

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I found that putting the settings to "prefer max quality" made the image the same as the Fury X and this is what I wanted to test. Everything is now apples to apples in my testing and that is the way forward.

That is in NV control panel? So in the end, the "stock" image quality is different?
 
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That's probably overkill, but this thread was pretty helpful (to me) in determining who the shills are, and who I can ignore moving forward.

Very similar to the 970 3.5gb situation.

Those who look at the evidence available and call for a further investigation, and those who immediately brush it aside as "lies, slander, non-issue, storm in a teacup" etc.

Now that we know it is a bug that affect some setups, we can safely say to set your CP to high quality if you are affected. Or restart BF4 if its producing bad IQ.

Pretty reasonable wouldn't you agree?

Much more reasonable than some who still claim it doesn't happen just because their setups are fine and manage to squeeze in an anti-AMD & anti-Fury remark in the same sentence.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37537626&postcount=78
With some fiddling on Nvidia control panel the image quality on GTA5 is broadly similar with the quadfire overall a bit better than 980ti. I still feel like I need an additional pair of glasses to focus people 50-80m away with SLI whereas they seem much clearer in GTA5 with quadfire. In Arma 3 the 980ti SLI definitely has the edge giving less stutter and longer playable view distances by a good margin (500M-1.5k). I was going to send the 980ti s back but now I think it's the 295x2s. This is real world gameplay and Arma 3 benchmarks with both images looking pretty much identical the extra power/memory/less overhead of the the 980ti SLI has me sold so far.

The GTA5 and Dirt Rally best show what I've experienced comparing 980ti to 295x2 quadfire. Imo the Fury x and in my case 295x2 image quality seems sharper/less blurred. The spectators in Dirt Rally are a prime example, with Titan x they're blurred whereas with Fury X they're sharper. Arma 3 it's not nearly as pronounced and as I play that far more than anything else I'll probably keep the 980ti SLI. I'm still tempted to return them and see how fury x crossfire works. It's also pretty sad that hardware review sites can't compete with home broadcast enthusiasts any more and don't bother to do these crucial side by side comparison tests.

Indeed, review sites need to get busy and include IQ comparison shots for the future articles, especially game-specific reviews. Keep both vendors honest moving forward.
 
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Gregster1970

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I totally get this, and I can understand if you can't be bothered digging more in this, I was just curious as to the exact nature of the bug that lead to this in the first place, but since you obviously have a setup now where it isn't present, figuring out the exact nature isn't really that pertinent.

I did set it back to "let the 3D application decide" and again I had a lowered quality image but as others have said, they don't get it and shown evidence that they don't, I assume it is just a bug my side. I would have to reinstall windows to see if that sorted it but for the sake of my small amount of hair that is left, I was happy to move the slider to quality

That is in NV control panel? So in the end, the "stock" image quality is different?

Seems that not everyone gets the same. Read above for what I get.
 

sontin

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Have you ever looked at the BF4 Profile? Or at the global settings of the driver?
 

Gregster1970

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Have you ever looked at the BF4 Profile? Or at the global settings of the driver?

Not really if I am honest. Whilst I have a good understanding of the NCP and NVinspector, I can't say I have ever really bothered with individual game settings. If I am benching for Team MLG on the bot, I set the slider to "prefer max performance" and if I am just gaming, I set it to "prefer max quality". When gaming I also don't run MSI AB or any overlay and just game. The only time I do run AB is when checking things out or for doing reviews/comparisons.
 
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