AMD Official Statement - Polaris is NOT delayed

[airfathaaaaa]

It is well known that Polaris is going after mainstream. You are probably looking at 390 performance at around a 299.99 price tag.

yeah thats the only thing we know so far (well as a fact anyway from amd)the rest literally everything else are rumors so far

but i guess since we have like 10 billions of them someone will be correct...
(so far we have seen 5 variants of polaris on aots bench 2 of them having half of the 390/x 4k perf)

 

[BlitzWulf]

It is well known that Polaris is going after mainstream. You are probably looking at 390 performance at around a 299.99 price tag.

I'm sorry but it boggles my mind when people say this.

I wont argue what the perf of Polaris 10 will be like because no one really knows, but do people honestly think AMD is going to sell 390 perf at $300 ?

Are people honestly suggesting that with a full node jump + finfet lpp and architectural improvements that AMD is going to offer 390 performance at $300 again?

The 390 is already $300 and Nvidia is offering Titan X performance for $380 this gen do people think AMD is really that incompetent?

 

[caswow]

I'm sorry but it boggles my mind when people say this.

I wont argue what the perf of Polaris 10 will be like because no one really knows, but do people honestly think AMD is going to sell 390 perf at $300 ?

Are people honestly suggesting that with a full node jump and architectural improvements that AMD is going to offer 390 performance at $300 again?

The 390 is already $300 and Nvidia is offering Titan X performance for $380 this gen do people think AMD is really that incompetent?

yea this makes no sense. if they want to gain marketshare they simply cant sell 390/x perf cards for the same amount as the old cards.

 

[svenge]

yea this makes no sense. if they want to gain marketshare they simply cant sell 390/x perf cards for the same amount as the old cards.

AMD is a rather poorly-run business as compared to its two primary rivals, you know.

Remember that they set the MSRP for the rebadged 390/X line at ~$100 more than the then-prevailing retail price of its predecessor, so why couldn't history repeat itself yet again?

 

[itsmydamnation]

AMD is a rather poorly-run business as compared to its two primary rivals, you know.

Remember that they set the MSRP for the rebadged 390/X line at ~$100 more than the then-prevailing retail price of its predecessor, so why couldn't history repeat itself yet again?

The SKU's are completely different but keep up the factual inaccuracies :thumbsup:.

 

[krumme]

Amd is well run now with top ceo imo but still in a very difficult situation.
I dont know if performance is that important for p10 and p11. What is vital is gf capability to move the stuff in huge quantities. Amd purpose is to stop gf bleeding. Gf process and business results/ performance have been very bad. Its absolutely a very weak link.

 

[svenge]

The SKU's are completely different but keep up the factual inaccuracies :thumbsup:.

Are you seriously suggesting that the 290/X and 390/X are "completely different"? Whatever you're smoking, you really ought to stop lest you become even more incoherent than usual.

 

[kraatus77]

AMD is a rather poorly-run business as compared to its two primary rivals, you know.

Remember that they set the MSRP for the rebadged 390/X line at ~$100 more than the then-prevailing retail price of its predecessor, so why couldn't history repeat itself yet again?

Actually they decreased the price. because those low prices you are talking about wasn't for all over the world but mostly by some retailers in us/eu. there are other countries too you know ? where i live 3xx series actually lowered the price by 120-130$.

 

[BlitzWulf]

AMD is a rather poorly-run business as compared to its two primary rivals, you know.

Remember that they set the MSRP for the rebadged 390/X line at ~$100 more than the then-prevailing retail price of its predecessor, so why couldn't history repeat itself yet again?

Here's the thing, whatever the motivation behind the pricing of the Hawaii Refreshes, it was competetive with what Nvidia had to offer at the time.

AMD didnt have the money to redesign The chips in that performance segment, and do Fiji and Tonga and Polaris/Vega so they Squeezed what they could out of Hawaii , built Hype and surprised everyone with rebrands , and it worked .
The 390 is often recommended over the 970 nowadays and people are seeing the 390x duke it out with the 980 TI in some DX12 games and taking notice .

You're flat out suggesting that they're going to price their new and improved architecture
(which would be an abject failure if it offered the same perf with the same SP count on a node 2.2 times as dense with rumored higher clocks btw)
in a price segment that it wont be able to compete in at all.

that's what I cant believe. who in their right mind would buy that when the 1070 is $380
and the 1060 will probably offer better perf at a lower price .
I'm sorry nobody is THAT stupid not even the people running AMD.
If polaris 10 performs like a 390 it shouldn't cost more than what a 380X does $235 , $300 would be suicide.

 

[Xcobra]

Are you seriously suggesting that the 290/X and 390/X are "completely different"? Whatever you're smoking, you really ought to stop lest you become even more incoherent than usual.

Here we go...

 

[Paul98]

More and improved transistors, improved architecture, higher clock speeds, but only is as fast as cut down Hawaii and costs more. Makes total sense

 

[misuspita]

The 390 is already $300 and Nvidia is offering Titan X performance for $380 this gen do people think AMD is really that incompetent?

What board is 380 right now? Because there is only FE from nVidia and that definitely ain't 380. And there won't ever be. It's just marketing bait.

 

[BlitzWulf]

What board is 380 right now? Because there is only FE from nVidia and that definitely ain't 380. And there won't ever be. It's just marketing bait.

I believe we will see them at least close to that price for the basic cooler aftermarket models at some point.Does my statement of a $380 1070 seem more preposterous to you than Polaris 10 being $300 for 390 perf?

 

[Orvogg]

Nvm, didn't realise i responded to something you guys debates days ago...

 

[Creig]

I'm sorry but it boggles my mind when people say this.

I wont argue what the perf of Polaris 10 will be like because no one really knows, but do people honestly think AMD is going to sell 390 perf at $300 ?

Are people honestly suggesting that with a full node jump + finfet lpp and architectural improvements that AMD is going to offer 390 performance at $300 again?

The 390 is already $300 and Nvidia is offering Titan X performance for $380 this gen do people think AMD is really that incompetent?

Do people honestly think Nvidia is going to offer Titan X performance for $380?

 

[sm625]

Are people honestly suggesting that with a full node jump + finfet lpp and architectural improvements that AMD is going to offer 390 performance at $300 again?

I must admit I'm having some serious cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile these two statements:

1. AMD regularly offers better performance per dollar.
2. The GTX1070 will offer very significantly more performance than a GTX980 for less money.

If we accept these two statements as facts, then one polaris 10 SKU should be $230 and flat out beat a 390.

 

[Piroko]

Do people honestly think Nvidia is going to offer Titan X performance for $380?

People honestly expect 980 Ti performance for $380. Only Nvidia wants to make you think that Titan X has ever been a value proposition, it has been completely obsoleted for 11 months now by said 980 Ti.

 

[BlitzWulf]

Do people honestly think Nvidia is going to offer Titan X performance for $380?

Whats so crazy about that? the 970 offered near 780ti performance for $330 without a node change.

Nvidia can afford to trim their record margins a bit if it makes AMD's offerings look less attractive or forces AMD to cut it's own margins as well to compete.

 

[Glo.]

Do people honestly think Nvidia is going to offer Titan X performance for $380?

Actually GTX 1070 should be slightly faster than Titan X. So not only Titan X performance for 380$, but also at much lower power consumption. This is Polaris 10 thread. And this is off-top.

 

[monstercameron]

Whats so crazy about that? the 970 offered near 780ti performance for $330 without a node change.

Nvidia can afford to trim their record margins a bit if it makes AMD's offerings look less attractive or forces AMD to cut it's own margins as well to compete.

Why would Nvidia do something so aggressive in a declining market, especially when they are top dog?

 

[airfathaaaaa]

People honestly expect 980 Ti performance for $380. Only Nvidia wants to make you think that Titan X has ever been a value proposition, it has been completely obsoleted for 11 months now by said 980 Ti.

well we will never really know eh if a full uncut titan x chip was on the hand of aibs im pretty sure 980ti would have been smoked without even any special bios or witchcraft or or or...

 

[misuspita]

1.I believe we will see them at least close to that price for the basic cooler aftermarket models at some point. 2.Does my statement of a $380 1070 seem more preposterous to you than Polaris 10 being $300 for 390 perf?

2.I don't think that we know the price of Polaris10, but we do know it must be mainstream, so cheap(ish). How cheap is something which will take into account some variables. The need of AMD to make money and the relative performance compared to 1070. Between those things AMD can price P10 closer to 1070 if they are close in performance, or lower if they want to grab marketshare.

1. I don't think nVidia will ever chose to sell cheaper than that if they were in a vacuum. But They are conditioned by P10 performance/price in real world. When they will face P10 competition we will find out if they are willing to lower price, or unable to do so. Willing if they are not forced by inventory, because if they don't have enough chips manufactured, than there is no point in lowering price.

Whats so crazy about that? the 970 offered near 780ti performance for $330 without a node change.

Nvidia can afford to trim their record margins a bit if it makes AMD's offerings look less attractive or forces AMD to cut it's own margins as well to compete.

nVidia is willing to bolster their income with this new FE strategy, not trim. As I said, they will have to lower price if they have stiff competition AND have enough products to sell. If by marketing or pure perf people are getting all the cards they make, then there might not be an incentive for them to lower price. Anyway, we shall see.

But i still think this FE strategy is made to milk more money from the costumer, while retaining a theoretical lower price when reviewers wil make their perf/$ tables and will use the MSRP to make nV look better. At least the least honest ones.

 

[tential]

People honestly expect 980 Ti performance for $380. Only Nvidia wants to make you think that Titan X has ever been a value proposition, it has been completely obsoleted for 11 months now by said 980 Ti.

Are you serious? I of course expect this. This is the Nvidia model and it works. The 1070 will be as fast as 980ti that's where I'm currently at. I think it's ridiculous to think otherwise.

This is Nvidia we are talking about not some poorly run company. Nvidia delivers when it comes to a launch.

1070 at the 980ti
1080 20-30% on top of that.

I don't see how that's remotely unreasonable...

Like I've said before this launch will look impressive. Long term? Who knows, Nvidia long term is a wild card but at launch. Prepare for the 1070/1080 to sell out. Nvidia will not be able to make enough to meet demand.

 

[exar333]

Are you serious? I of course expect this. This is the Nvidia model and it works. The 1070 will be as fast as 980ti that's where I'm currently at. I think it's ridiculous to think otherwise.

This is Nvidia we are talking about not some poorly run company. Nvidia delivers when it comes to a launch.

1070 at the 980ti
1080 20-30% on top of that.

I don't see how that's remotely unreasonable...

Like I've said before this launch will look impressive. Long term? Who knows, Nvidia long term is a wild card but at launch. Prepare for the 1070/1080 to sell out. Nvidia will not be able to make enough to meet demand.

MSRP for the 1080 is only $50 more than the 980 was at launch and IMHO has a lot more to offer. Add in the rumored boost/OC ability and it should be a GREAT card, along with the 1070, for anyone not rocking 980Tis already.

 

[Azix]

It is well known that Polaris is going after mainstream. You are probably looking at 390 performance at around a 299.99 price tag.

if the clocks are bad and the shader count is low sure. But mainstream is only regarding price. If they only managed 390 performance with over 2000 shaders and even 1.3 ghz on the core I'd be surprised.

nvidia's gains are mainly down to increased shader count and massive clock increases. Its down to how high AMD can clock theirs imo.