AMD on track for launch of Kaveri in February 2014

[monstercameron]

Im trolling? everytime i prove you wrong in you own game you just shut up for a moment then start with the same nonsence again in some other tropic.

The GT610 is a rebranded GT520 that is WORSE than a HD3000. There are a few benchmarks around that proves that plus i did my own tests because i have one.
http://i.imgur.com/6ywoHhe.png

Kabini is a 15W ultrabook processor and its igp perform worse than last generation HD4000 on a I3-3217U http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kabini-a4-5000-review,3518-7.html

That is not a fine product at all, it could be outperformed by Haswell GT1, yet still you call pointless a I3 or Celeron Haswell, among some other things.

you also forgot to show these charts
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kabini-a4-5000-review,3518-13.html

heavy load power consumption with a a4-5000, this isn't even the a6-5200...
the trade-off in power consumption is worth the lowered performance.

 

[mikk]

you also forgot to show these charts

heavy load power consumption with a a4-5000, this isn't even the a6-5200...
the trade-off in power consumption is worth the lowered performance.

Try with Haswell.

 

[monstercameron]

Try with Haswell.

haswell still as high load power, the only improvements were made idle scenarios...so not really!

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-E1-522-45004G50Mnkk-Notebook.101677.0.html
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[AtenRa]

I find it hilarious that people compare Kabini a low power/low budget APU to Intel Core i3 Ivy and even Haswell. Nobody talks about ATOM except in Tablets
and yet, Intel will introduce lots of Atom Desktop products to compete against Kabini soon.

 

[Shivansps]

I did not forget it, i know it uses less power than Ivy bridge, im unsure vs Haswell, that does not make up for the fact that is was intended for ultrabooks and the poor igp performance is unaceptable on a AMD product, i like the Toshiba Notebook with the 5200 because of the price, but that petty much the only Kabini product i can consider buying(and im actually).

Where are all the ultrabooks, netbooks and tablet that Kabini and Temash where supposed to power at a affordable price? the problem here is that you cant accept that Kabini and Temash are not what meant to be.

I find it hilarious that people compare Kabini a low power/low budget APU to Intel Core i3 Ivy and even Haswell. Nobody talks about ATOM except in Tablets
and yet, Intel will introduce lots of Atom Desktop products to compete against Kabini soon.

Sorry but no, Kabini is a 15W ultrabook proccesor, like it or not it compites to Haswell Celeron/Pentium and even I3, those are the lower end processors used in ultrabook, AND price is the last thing you whould like to talk about because Kabini and Temash, so far, are not delivering a good end product price, except for maybe 1 or 2 products.

Atoms are on a completely different market, its more on Temash, and Atoms are big let down too because of poor igp, yet still only the A6-1450 may provide a good performance vs a Atom. On desktop yeah, i think i have already mention this on the BT thread that desktop parts sharing the same IGP and even keeping low clocks makes it really bad for desktop parts.

 

[Vesku]

Kabini is more of an "ultra light" and "ultra affordable" cpu rather than a direct competitor to "Ultra book" IB and Haswell ULV chips.

Bay Trail is the closer match to Kabini. Hopefully one of the two actually finds its way into 11.6-14 inch <$400 notebook models.

 

[mikk]

haswell still as high load power, the only improvements were made idle scenarios...so not really!

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-E1-522-45004G50Mnkk-Notebook.101677.0.html
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27W: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440s-20AQ-S00500-Notebook.103199.0.html

24-26W: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-Satellite-U50t-A-100-Notebook.104203.0.html

 

[monstercameron]

27W: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440s-20AQ-S00500-Notebook.103199.0.html

24-26W: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-Satellite-U50t-A-100-Notebook.104203.0.html

your point?

 

[Shivansps]

Kabini is more of an "ultra light" and "ultra affordable" cpu rather than a direct competitor to "Ultra book" IB and Haswell ULV chips.

Bay Trail is the closer match to Kabini. Hopefully one of the two actually finds its way into 11.6-14 inch <$400 notebook models.

Kabini was intended to provide a good price/performance compared to Ivy Bridge ULV Celeron/Pentiums and I3. And they did deliver compared to Celeron and Pentium, no so much compared to a I3, and its only bad compared to an I3 because of poor IGP performance(and thats what we have been talking here), overall it was OK because of low power, competitive cpu performance and price.

But Haswell completely puts it off balance on IGP side, because Haswell GT2 it does extend over the HD4000 lead and GT1 has a real chance of caching up with Kabini. (the problem with Intel is that we need to be carefull with OEMs, some of them limits the cpu tdp or even disables turbo).

To make it worse, BT that are on a lower sector where able to catch up with A4 Kabinis on CPU side...

Temash was the one for anything lower than Ultrabook, and so far is just delivering terrible prices.

 

[monstercameron]

we havent even mentions that these chips are still just released.~5 months now, hell even apple just updated their pro lineup with haswell...we can argue about how bad YOU thinks temash/kabini is by next feb or so...

 

[Shivansps]

Im mostly talking about how AMD does not longer have the free will to decide how much powerfull a IGP will be, because Intel forces their hand.

Kabini is a premium example of what happen, TODAY, the A4-5000 and A6-5200 is better on IGP than.... Bay Trail? im not sure if it beats a Celeron or Pentium Haswell with GT1, and you cant be sure either, and you know very well that Bay Trail is not a direct competitor, so if it cant beat a Celeron, it will be down to power, cpu performance and price.

BTW, when you have a excellent product 5 months is a lot of time, remember E-350 launch? THATs was a good product, OEMs where all over it.

 

[AtenRa]

Sorry but no, Kabini is a 15W ultrabook proccesor, like it or not it compites to Haswell Celeron/Pentium and even I3, those are the lower end processors used in ultrabook,

There are Dual and Quad core 17-19W Ritchland APUs to compete against Celerons/Pentiums and Core i3/5 ULVs. Kabini is not competing directly against Intels ULVs but against ATOMs, both mobile and desktop.

 

[erunion]

There are Dual and Quad core 17-19W Ritchland APUs to compete against Celerons/Pentiums and Core i3/5 ULVs. Kabini is not competing directly against Intels ULVs but against ATOMs, both mobile and desktop.

Nope.

Atom is built as a fanless chip. Z3770 hits the silicons max clock with no fan. Kabini is 100% fan cooled, and it isn't an atom competitor.
Even Temash are only 50% fanless, and when fanless can only manage half the silicon's max clockspeed.

Kabini is definitely targeting intel's 17w/15w ULV chips. AMD was focused on the traditional laptop form factor, not the mobile form factors(tablet and phone) that Atom is targeting.

 

[AtenRa]

Nope.

Atom is built as a fanless chip. Z3770 hits the silicons max clock with no fan. Kabini is 100% fan cooled, and it isn't an atom competitor.
Even Temash are only 50% fanless, and when fanless can only manage half the silicon's max clockspeed.

Kabini is definitely targeting intel's 17w/15w ULV chips. AMD was focused on the traditional laptop form factor, not the mobile form factors(tablet and phone) that Atom is targeting.

It seams that people are confused about Kabini, Temash and ATOM.

Temash is targeting Tablets, Hybrids and Very low Power mobiles.
Kabini is targeting entry level Laptops and Desktop

ATOM is not only for Tablets, Baytrail ATOMs will be made for Desktop and Mobile. Kabini is meant to compete against Desktop and Mobile ATOMs, not Intel ULV chips.

Just because Intel havent released yet the Baytrail ATOM for Desktop and Mobile that doesnt mean that Kabini targets Celeron/Pentium and Core i3/5 ULVs.

For the ULV market AMD has the 17-19W Ritchland APUs.

Also, Temash/Kabini is a SoC, none of the Intel ULVs are SoCs. Baytrail ATOMs are SoCs and they are directly competitors to Temash/Kabini.

 

[erunion]

repeating yourself, doesn't make you any more correct. Neither does throwing in irrelevant data.

Bay trail-D is fanless silicon repurposed for desktop. Temash is fan cooled silicon repurposed for mobile, Far more akin to Haswell-Y then atom.

Kabini scales up to 25W and you think it doesn't compete with 15w Haswell?

 

[SiliconWars]

Are we really comparing $342 chips with $42 chips again?

These 15W Haswell's are a side-effect of Intels massive manufacturing levels. They are like 1 in 10,000 chips good enough, if even that. That's why they cost so much. Kabini is no more competing with that than they are 6 core i7's. We're talking a chip that sells in the tens of thousands vs one that sells in the tens of millions.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Are we really comparing $342 chips with $42 chips again?

These 15W Haswell's are a side-effect of Intels massive manufacturing levels. They are like 1 in 10,000 chips good enough, if even that. That's why they cost so much. Kabini is no more competing with that than they are 6 core i7's. We're talking a chip that sells in the tens of thousands vs one that sells in the tens of millions.

As usually you couldnt be further from the truth.

The Celeron 2955U is a 15W Haswell chip as well. And Intel main volume SKU are 15W.

Its obvious from the products on the market that Kabini is a misfit nobody wants.

 

[SiliconWars]

So tell me, how did the similarly performing Ivy 1007U do vs Kabini up till now?

 

[AtenRa]

repeating yourself, doesn't make you any more correct. Neither does throwing in irrelevant data.

Bay trail-D is fanless silicon repurposed for desktop. Temash is fan cooled silicon repurposed for mobile, Far more akin to Haswell-Y then atom.

Kabini scales up to 25W and you think it doesn't compete with 15w Haswell?

You should pay more attention to the irrelevant data, they clearly show how Intel position Haswell and ATOM.

BayTrail -D is a completely different die than BayTrail -T. BayTrail -T was specifically designed and produced for Tablets/Phones ONLY. Baytrail -M/D is different die than -T and it is targeting the entry level Mobile and Desktops.

And just to add,
Products dont compete on the TDP but on performance and most importantly on PRICE. Just because you have 15W TDP Kabini doesnt mean it directly competes against 15-17W TDP Haswell, unless they are in the same price points.

In a few months Intel will have Celerons and Pentiums with both Haswell and ATOM dies. So the only real metric will be the PRICE and not TDP.

 

[AtenRa]

As usually you couldnt be further from the truth.

The Celeron 2955U is a 15W Haswell chip as well. And Intel main volume SKU are 15W.

Its obvious from the products on the market that Kabini is a misfit nobody wants.

Those Haswell Celerons and Pentiums are not SoCs, they also need a Chipset adding to the already more expensive Haswell products.

But i guess you knew that already

 

[ShintaiDK]

Those Haswell Celerons and Pentiums are not SoCs, they also need a Chipset adding to the already more expensive Haswell products.

But i guess you knew that already

Those Haswells already got the chipset on the CPU package. There is no extra cost.

Something you didnt know. So let me help you guide you to the correct information:
http://ark.intel.com/products/75608/Intel-Celeron-Processor-2955U-2M-Cache-1_40-GHz

 

[AtenRa]

Those Haswells already got the chipset on the CPU package. There is no extra cost.

Something you didnt know. So let me help you guide you to the correct information:
http://ark.intel.com/products/75608/Intel-Celeron-Processor-2955U-2M-Cache-1_40-GHz

There is an extra cost, the Chipset is not free of charge no matter if it is integrated in to the same package.

The Ark link list it at $132.00, way higher than any Kabini SoC.

 

[SiliconWars]

http://translate.googleusercontent....3.html&usg=ALkJrhhWaq9vg4AwoCZfmG3zrAe-PhN0KA

This new Haswell Celeron champion, the 2955U, is basically no faster than the 1007U that failed to gain any traction vs Kabini.

It's barely faster in x86 and loses in gaming. Given the difference in price it's a no-brainer.

 

[monstercameron]

http://translate.googleusercontent....3.html&usg=ALkJrhhWaq9vg4AwoCZfmG3zrAe-PhN0KA

This new Haswell Celeron champion, the 2955U, is basically no faster than the 1007U that failed to gain any traction vs Kabini.

It's barely faster in x86 and loses in gaming. Given the difference in price it's a no-brainer.

shhh, don't stop them, nvm siliconwars, the HASWELL celeron
is so great :ninja:

 

[Sweepr]

As usually you couldnt be further from the truth.

The Celeron 2955U is a 15W Haswell chip as well. And Intel main volume SKU are 15W.

Its obvious from the products on the market that Kabini is a misfit nobody wants.

Kabini is dog slow to compete with Haswell ULV (especially single-thread) and doesnt fit fanless/thin/cheap Windows devices like Bay Trail. If it was so great performance/power/cost-wise then OEMs wouldnt choose the slowest ULV Celeron instead of Kabini for a cheapo notebook that sells like hot cakes like Chromebook. I though we were supposed to see lots of 3.9W Temash-based fanless tablets/2-in-1s after Windows 8.1 launch, but nobody seems to care.