AMD on track for launch of Kaveri in February 2014

[Fjodor2001]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-track-2014-launch-kaveri/61845.html

New slides obtained by VR-Zone show that Kaveri, AMD’s first APU to support HSA, will be launching into the channel in February 2014 and to OEMs shortly thereafter, after hitting mass production in December.

A source from within a Taiwan-based OEM told VR-Zone that their company had just received a production candidate sample for testing — a crucial step to identify bugs and incompatibilities before a mass production. If the company had just received a sample in late October, that will make for a tight testing window before mass production starts.

 

[Fjodor2001]

So AMD will start mass production of the Kaveri APUs in December 2013, and then launch them 2-3 months later in February 2014.

Doesn't that sound kind of quick?

Intel is supposed to start production of Broadwell in Q1 2014 (see this), yet they will not launch the CPUs until H2 2014 / Q4 2014.

So can AMD really make it in time? If so, how come Intel needs more time from start of production until launch? Maybe Intel is talking about start of production in Q1 2014, and not mass production, i.e. only engineering samples in Q1 2014?

 

[mrmt]

Intel is supposed to start production of Broadwell in Q1 2014 (see this), yet they will not launch the CPUs until H2 2014 / Q4 2014.

Intel launches with *much* more availability than AMD. While I could buy a Haswell MBA in june 2013, the same month of the launch, I couldn't find Kabini or Richland on the shelves a few months after the launch.

And while Intel launches a full line up, AMD is launching just three models.

 

[GreenChile]

I guess you only need a few months of inventory building if you don't plan on selling many of them. Still that doesn't give the OEMs very much development time.

 

[Fjodor2001]

But shouldn't Intel also have much higher production capacity than GF / TSMC that AMD uses? I.e. even if Intel needs to build up larger inventory before launch, they should be able to produce the units at a faster rate.

 

[Phynaz]

What is 2c 2014?

Person faking the slide meant 2q 2014?

That also doesn't look ANYTHING like an AMD slide. AMD always uses a black background, with the green/black/white logo.

 

[Fjodor2001]

That also doesn't look ANYTHING like an AMD slide. AMD always uses a black background, with the green/black/white logo.

So you mean this is also fake?

No black background, and no green/black/whitelogo...

 

[Phynaz]

Here you go.

https://www.google.com/search?q=amd...Ld4APrq4H4DA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1181&bih=704

Find a white product slide that's less than five years old.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Here you go.

https://www.google.com/search?q=amd...Ld4APrq4H4DA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1181&bih=704

Thanks. Using that search I found for example this (no green/black/whitelogo logo) and this (no black background). I.e. there are some AMD slides that look like the ones in the OP and my previous post.

 

[sm625]

So, what would it take for kaveri to not be a fail?

I would like to see it break 50 FPS on the above settings. Less than 40 is definite fail. Yes I know, that is a $80 discrete GT640 that puts out 36 fps. But we're talking about GCN+HSA+Mantle here. It's all just gobbledegook if they cant produce results.

 

[Phynaz]

Thanks. Using that search I found for example this (no green/black/whitelogo logo) and this (no black background). I.e. there are some AMD slides that look like the ones in the OP and my previous post.

Your first link is a black slide with a white AMD logo. Your second link is from 2007. Now go back and read my post again.

You still are avoiding the question...what's 2c 2014??

 

[RayTheKing]

If Kaveri's IGP manages to have performance similar or greater to that of entry-level gaming dGPUs (HD 7750/GTX 650), I would be legitimately surprised. They might actually make some decent sales.

All I'm really afraid of now is the power consumption and heat.

On a side note: Why are half of the posts in this thread about the color scheme of the slide in the OP?...

 

[SithSolo1]

So, what would it take for kaveri to not be a fail?

I would like to see it break 50 FPS on the above settings. Less than 40 is definite fail. Yes I know, that is a $80 discrete GT640 that puts out 36 fps. But we're talking about GCN+HSA+Mantle here. It's all just gobbledegook if they cant produce results.

Frostbite 2 supporting Mantle...news to me.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Still seems pretty vague. Only gives a "target" date for launch. When there will be widespread availability remains to be seen. Also no data about performance or even clockspeeds, so doesnt seem to be too much new actually. I think we were already expecting H1 2014 for retail availability. I assume these are desktop models.

It doesnt really interest on the desktop, but if they could get a reasonably priced laptop chip with good cpu performance and graphics around the level of GT650M ddr5, with decent thermals, that would be attractive.

Edit: look at the second line, it has target retail launch 2c 2014. Dont know if that means 2nd quarter or 2nd half. If it is 2nd half of 2013 that is actually later than expected, isnt it? I assume though that it is 2nd quarter. I thought it was just a typo, but "2c" shows up twice actually.

 

[inf64]

1st of all the slide is not fake . You are wrong Phynaz .
2nd the NDA end date (press NDA liftoff) is 5th of Dec.
3rd this is desktop Kaveri launch schedule. Mobile schedule is unknown but knowing the priorities and the early NDA expiration date I'd say that mobile comes first (paper launch at around the 5th of Dec?) and soft launches(?) with some products at maybe around CES 2014(?).

Kaveri we will get is Kaveri2.0 featuring SR-B core (unknown number and nature of changes from SR-A presented at HC last year). Fully unified memory pool for x86 and iGPU (known for long time), TrueAudio support(new info from the slide) and dedicated PCIe lanes for SSD and caching (new info from the slide).

 

[Fjodor2001]

Your first link is a black slide with a white AMD logo. Your second link is from 2007. Now go back and read my post again.

There are other similar ones among the search results. Here is a complete AMD slide show with white background for example, from 2013. Maybe you should consider actually checking your search results before posting your search link?

You still are avoiding the question...what's 2c 2014??

I have no idea. Why don't you give VR-Zone or AMD a call and ask them?

 

[ikachu]

Your first link is a black slide with a white AMD logo. Your second link is from 2007. Now go back and read my post again.

You still are avoiding the question...what's 2c 2014??

Phynaz, I can't comment on the authenticity of the slide, but the 1C / 2C / 3C are terms that are used by AMD (and probably other companies) to refer to product release cycles. I believe 2C = back to school, 3C = holiday season. I can't remember if there's something specifically tied to 1C or if it's just the period between January and the end of summer.

 

[Phynaz]

Thanks ikachu, that means OEM systems in 3Q14, which makes a lot of sense.

 

[pipm1]

I think Kaveri could be a massive success for AMD if it works well in DualGraphics mode with a relatively low-end GFX card, e.g. R7 250*. If that combo could give similar performance to perhaps a HD7850, with much lower power consumption, that'd be plenty for me. If I recall correctly, in reviews the current Trinity/Richland APUs in DualGraphics mode are rather poor, so I hope they can fix this with Kaveri. I really like the idea of being able to start with an APU & if later I feel the need for a boost in performance I can just add a low/mid dGPU - so long as it makes an appreciable difference & doesn't suffer from microstutter. And that it works well in Linux of course. :awe:

*It'd be nice if there was an R7 card with 512 stream/GCN cores, but there isn't! The 7750 does, so maybe it'd be a better match? I'm just imagining having matching number to be optimal or something, but I've no basis for this idea!

 

[Abwx]

what's 2c 2014??

Day 2 of CES or Cebit 14...

 

[Phynaz]

Day 2 of CES or Cebit 14...

Not CES, which is in January.

I could see CeBIT.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Not CES, which is in January.

I could see CeBIT.

Cebit is March 10-14, 2014. I thought you just said Q3 2014 made sense?

 

[blackened23]

So, what would it take for kaveri to not be a fail?

It kinda pains me to say this because i'm not a fan of APUs really. But, to be fair, you're comparing APUs to the Iris Pro which costs upwards of 650$. It's not like you can just simply go out and buy an Iris Pro for LGA - it's actually BGA only. And it's hella expensive. I think the more apt comparison is HD4600, to be honest. Conversely, APUs are generally sub 150$ LGA parts.

I think the point is better served by comparing apples-to-apples. Not a 650$ Iris Pro to a 100$ LGA APU, you know? I only know of one design using the Iris Pro, and that is the upcoming Macbook Pro retina. I'm sure there are other AIO systems using it, but the price performance isn't good enough to choose it over discrete nvidia graphics - a lot of AIOs are opting for the GT750 instead over the Iris Pro because of this.

Still, the Iris Pro is certainly promising - Broadwell BGA parts will be absolute beasts in terms of graphics performance next year IMO. Certainly intel knows what its doing with integrated graphics, of that there is no doubt.

 

[Abwx]

Thanks ikachu, that means OEM systems in 3Q14, which makes a lot of sense.

Not CES, which is in January.

I could see CeBIT.

That doesnt make sense at all , OEMs were always first
and retail second when it comes to the initial deliveries ,
it never happened otherwise , so if retail by february
oems will be delivered the first batches in january.

 

[Phynaz]

Cebit is March 10-14, 2014. I thought you just said Q3 2014 made sense?

Here, I'll explain to you what you posted.

Your article says OEM sometime after February.

CeBIT is a business IT show that occurs in March. Let's see, an OEM is in the business space and March is after February. Yes, I could see a product launch happening there.

I could also see an OEM product launch happening during the back to school season as ikachu stated. That's also when most OEM's refresh their business notebook lineups in order to catch the fourth quarter business buyers. I leave it to you to research why businesses do most of their buying in the fourth quarter.

So you see, when you post random articles without facts (you seem to do that a lot) there is a lot that is left open to interpretation. Now since this is a discussion forum, I can only assume you wanted people to discuss what you have posted which is what we are doing. I even learned something from ikachu.