AMD on track for launch of Kaveri in February 2014

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Atreidin

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Kaveri Mobile^

20% faster than A10-5750M(CPU)
30% faster than 8650G(GPU)

via pre-silicon projection

AMD really needs to get this into ultrabook-class laptops with 1080p screens if they want me as a customer. They need to get some design wins.

Edit: Also I'm not buying it if I can't get dual-channel RAM configurations with at minimum 8GB.
 
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JDG1980

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Since, it is referring to the mobile platform:

1.8 GHz and 0.5 GHz

Richland is:
2.5 GHz and 0.72 GHz.

Format: CPU Clock and GPU Clock.

If they really can increase performance 20% while dropping the clock speed from 2.5 to 1.8 GHz, then that would mean a very aggressive increase in IPC. That would mean that a 1.8 GHz Steamroller would provide equivalent performance to a 3.0 GHz (2.5 * 1.2) Richland, which would equate to a whopping (and difficult to believe) 66% IPC increase. That would put Steamroller above Sandy Bridge in terms of IPC! I'm skeptical that they can get quite that far in one leap - I think it will take until Excavator to catch up with SB.

Perhaps the example is a heavily multi-threaded benchmark, and thus the ~20% gains from ending the CMT penalty are being added to whatever IPC improvements have been implemented. Removing the CMT penalty and increasing IPC by ~30% would correspond pretty well to the claimed improvements.
 

inf64

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Aaand there is the Kaveri2.0 codename again . It turns out it's a real thing after all huh .

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As for clockspees, I doubt there is a radical drop in actual base/turbo from Richland parts.
Just look at desktop parts 1st. Top Richland is 4.1Ghz/4.4Ghz part and Top(?) Kaveri will be 3.7Ghz/??Ghz. My guess for Kaveri 7850K's Turbo is that it will be around ~4Ghz. So ~10% lower base and 10% lower Turbo Vs RIchland. Performance will similarly be up to ~20% vs desktop Richland (~30% pure performance jump at the same clock adjusted for ~10% deficit in clock speed).

On Desktop, ST performance will be lower of course, my guess is ~10% better vs stock Richland (~4.8Ghz "Richland equivalent" performance Vs 4.4Ghz stock Richland) and MT wil be ~20% better( ~5.1Ghz "Richland equivalent" performance Vs 4.2Ghz stock Richland since RIchland Turbos on all cores too in MT benchmarks).

On Mobile, if we assume similar clock speed disparity, top mobile part will be ~2.3Ghz base and 3.1-3.2Ghz Turbo. iGPU will similarly clock at 18% lower level Vs top mobile Richland part, at ~600Mhz.

Finally for AMD to achieve these "up to" performance numbers with ~10% lower clocked chip, it needs to have "up to" 30% better performance in those same benchmarks at the same clockspeed . Coincides with the slides we saw last year (up to ~30% more ops/cycle: up to 20% ST IPC x 10% due to decoder BW doubling).
 
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ShintaiDK

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Pre silicon projections? We all know how that turned out on the desktop....

4Ghz ->3.7Ghz
900Mhz->720Mhz.

And why is this slide saved in Photoshop? Adobe Photoshop CS6 for Windows to be precise.

CreatorTool="Adobe Photoshop CS6 (Windows)"
 
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inf64

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So wait, are you (again) saying this is another fake? Remember you said True Audio in Kaveri and dedicated pci-e lane for SSD was also suspicious and probably a fake.

edit:

Here is the whole .pdf presentation in Russian
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0b9jlx_0kLjclFqLTRTWG9ZX00/edit?usp=sharing

Kaveri slide is page 40.
So no conspiracy and no fake. The image is from the pdf presentation made by Russian branch of AMD, from October this year.
 
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ShintaiDK

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I simply asked. Its you drawing the fake assumption

Lets hope AMD for once can live up to their pre silicon projections. Its been quite a while since that last happend.
 

inf64

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The presentation was done on this event:
http://www.ospcon.ru/event/chetvertyi-moskovskii-superkompyuternyi-forum.html

Credit goes to SeronX who posted it on SA forum 1st.

Edit:
SA forum is a gold mine for special information .
http://www.zauba.com/import-kaveri-hs-code.html
Thanks to user jamie965 from SA.



So mobile base clock is ~1.8Ghz on that sample. Desktop base clock is 3.4Ghz. Neither are probably top performance parts since 7850K on desktop has ~3.7Ghz base clock and unknown Turbo. The same probably goes for the mobile parts: top clock can be 2-2.2Ghz range.
 
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unon

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For frequency, wouldn't bulk take comparatively more power in higher frequency so mobile frequency should be higher(~equal to richland)?

What do you people think AMD will do for bandwidth 20nm and beyond? There was a leaked slide from SA showing AMD was to release a GPU with stacked DRAM and kaveri was to have the same too, dropped for unknown reasons. But how much price and memory for it, and is it against huma? Though it might be able to have same socket (reason for carrizo fm2+ support?) My estimation is DDR4 quad channel would add approx 60$(30$ RAM, +30$ motherboard though that includes double the RAM). Stacked DRAM should be much cheaper and less power in load and idle? BTW apparently there are haswell ex boards with >4 memory slots.
 

Erenhardt

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Is this 20%+ in single thread performance, or multi?

Mantle + Sound co-processor + 20% cpu improvement over Richland may be more than enough.
 

SiliconWars

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Not even remotely impressed if that's true. Geekbench is a bit odd though so I'll wait on something less random.
 

inf64

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Well the scores in geekbench vary widely on the same CPUs from submission to submission. It seems the benchmark is sensitive to memory subsystem and that Kaveri ES had one stick of low speed DDR3.

Even in that case it's faster Vs similarly clocked Trinity part(5600K-3.6-3.9Ghz). Integer is ~10% faster, FP is better than that giving Kaveri ~20% advantage. The worst is memory subsystem which is dog slow in case of this Kaveri ES system .
 

Ajay

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AMD Eng Sample: ZD356295I4468_39/35/16/07_130F @ 3.50 GHz


http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/226070?baseline=223722

Lack of an L3$ seems to really hurt FP performance. AMD just has to improve its memory controller - it embarrassingly poor at the moment.

Not even remotely impressed if that's true. Geekbench is a bit odd though so I'll wait on something less random.

I agree and yes, we need to see more benches; hopefully we'll get some more in December.
 

Abwx

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AMD Eng Sample: ZD356295I4468_39/35/16/07_130F @ 3.50 GHz
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/226070?baseline=223722

AMD Eng Sample
4096 MB

Intel Core i5-2500K
8192 MB DDR3
Nice job finding lowest possible 2500k score in this "very reliable" benchmark.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/223722?baseline=197965


AMD Eng Sample:
4096 MB

Intel Core i5-2500K
16384 MB
Who is cherry picking...??..

btw , I posted the link as i did find it in another forum
so the fact that you re implying that i selected the numbers
is just flat out deffamation but it s seems to be the rule
for some people here to constantly doing ad hominem attacks
using fallacies like this one...
 
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Abwx

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Well the scores in geekbench vary widely on the same CPUs from submission to submission. It seems the benchmark is sensitive to memory subsystem and that Kaveri ES had one stick of low speed DDR3.

Even in that case it's faster Vs similarly clocked Trinity part(5600K-3.6-3.9Ghz). Integer is ~10% faster, FP is better than that giving Kaveri ~20% advantage. The worst is memory subsystem which is dog slow in case of this Kaveri ES system .


In this case the numbers are flawed since the memory bandwith
is much less than Richland s , either speed was voluntarly
limited or there was only a single channel working since
the 4GB system mem is quite low for a dual channel test system.
 

Abwx

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poor choice for comparison, let's compare it to a current core i3
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/221668?baseline=223722

You can register and complain of the poor choice to the guy who posted the link , here :

http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardwa...ture-steamroller-sujet_924911_80.htm#t8948140

geekbench is affected by memory size over 4GB!?

Dont know but what would be the hit in MThread
if there s only a single channel..?.
 

SPBHM

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Dont know but what would be the hit in MThread
if there s only a single channel..?.

yes it looks like single channel, not sure how much it affects outside of the memory tests, shouldn't be that much, but definitely this "leaked" result is not the most optimized benchmark, and the final CPU should look better.
 

inf64

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The difference in memory benchmarks is ranging from 1.9x (min advantage Richland has) to 2.27x(max). Basically the memory subsystem is as half as fast as the Richland's one (SC memory).

For what it's worth the Multicore scaling is around ~8-9% better on average than Richland's. Note there are sub-benchmarks where scaling is even 20% better than Richlands. So doubled decoder is working as indented.
 

Ajay

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The difference in memory benchmarks is ranging from 1.9x (min advantage Richland has) to 2.27x(max). Basically the memory subsystem is as half as fast as the Richland's one (SC memory).

For what it's worth the Multicore scaling is around ~8-9% better on average than Richland's. Note there are sub-benchmarks where scaling is even 20% better than Richlands. So doubled decoder is working as indented.

OK, only running a single channel - don't know why, but that explains allot. I did notice an improvement in the multi-core tests. Hopefully with the released APU and improved bios/drivers we'll see better scores from Kaveri 2.0 on a wide range of benchmarks.

At this point I hope that AMD can add L3$ back into the design for EX; I think it would help significantly in some benchmarks - certainly FP and maybe even crypto. It'll take eDRAM/eSRAM or multichannel (3 to 4, instead of 2) to scale iGPU performance in EX, IMHO.
 
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