AMD Opteron 144 s939 OEM CPU $130.75*Now $150 :(* @ Monarch!

[Zap]

Yeah, the "problem" is that your CPU will be running 800MHz faster than it should. BITD of socket A there were some more substantial drops in performance if you didn't run 1:1 but these days no big deal since there essentially is no 1:1 ratio anymore. From what I hear about how these things work, the RAM is at a ratio from the CPU core speed or something, not at a ratio from FSB.

Regardless of the inner workings, suffice to say that not only is running RAM ratios not a problem, it's the preferred method when dealing with super high overclocks on A64. That, and reducing HT multiplier.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Zap
Yeah, the "problem" is that your CPU will be running 800MHz faster than it should. BITD of socket A there were some more substantial drops in performance if you didn't run 1:1 but these days no big deal since there essentially is no 1:1 ratio anymore. From what I hear about how these things work, the RAM is at a ratio from the CPU core speed or something, not at a ratio from FSB.

Regardless of the inner workings, suffice to say that not only is running RAM ratios not a problem, it's the preferred method when dealing with super high overclocks on A64. That, and reducing HT multiplier.

So if I did the 2/3 ratio, I could use DDR400 memory @ 200 MHz, right? Since the memory would then be clocked at around 190 MHz, 66% of 288? With Monarch I can get 1GB of OCZ DDR400 for around $90, would that work fine with a 288 HTT if I had a 2/3 ratio?

 

[Sideswiped]

Time to retire my Athlon XP to the parents.

Hopefully I'll be able to hit 2.6-2.8ghz with the opteron 144 & Asrock mobo(hell if I'm going to part with my 6800gt)

 

[Mephistokur]

Originally posted by: jjmIII

They said if I wanted unopened boxes, I couldn't order the combo. I had to order them individually and I would not qualify for the combo price. It makes me wonder if they spend more time on assembling the parts, why would they charge less?!

Ya, sounds like a good way to sell off their returns :evil:.

Wow. That makes PERFECT sense. Seriously, I never thought of it that way before.

 

[nairi]

I got in for one, with the asus A8N-E motherboard

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: Sideswiped
Time to retire my Athlon XP to the parents.

Hopefully I'll be able to hit 2.6-2.8ghz with the opteron 144 & Asrock mobo(hell if I'm going to part with my 6800gt)

Be careful!

That motherboard does not go over FSB=274 gracefully. I have one. You will have to deal with cold boot problems if you go over 274.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Zebo
continue fagging

Is that the Sims, SF edition?

Thanks man, you just saved me $240 or so, though I would like that Nero for $8...

And no, I don't multitask much. Task swap, yes, I leave stuff "running" but really they're idle. No encoding/ripping/SETI/Folding/virus scanning/etc.

Then again, just looked on eBay and the x2 3800+ is fetching $265 and up on current bidding, some as high as $285, and that's not final price yet. Also, these are going for $285+ on For Sale/Trade. Perhaps...

LOL my neurons were crashing late last night ..besides I have trouble typing in the first place.

Anyway Don't forget Dual core does boost gaming..but then again you should be able to clock 144 higher than any DC erasing and even surpasing the deficiet.. Yeah maybe jump on it. I could go either way actually as it's always fun to get into another build - that's why we're here is'nt it... to tweak and build not actually use for months on end

As far as chipset - I made a holdown plate from the stock DFI cooler. Not much left after dremel hit it.
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-Started with this for $20
-I used a chopsaw to cut freezer
- then used 4-40 x 1 1/2 in screws to mount and on backside of mobo is a thick silicone washer to give the "spring" effect then a nut..



Good luck with the Abit KN8 - I can't get past 275 HTT with my AN8 ultra which is why I sold my 165 with it's 9x multi and stayed with 4200+ with it's 11x (well plus the heat from 165 was much higher due to it's larger cache - I'm a silence freak first)

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Is it possible to increase the multiplier for the Opteron 144? I'm considering this but won't I need REALLY good memory to get what I want (at least 2.6) with a 9x multiplier? To get 2.6 I'll need an HTT of 288, does that mean I have to have memory clocked @ 288?

no chance it's hard coded into CPU core. They used to select it's multi on the outside, on the packaging, back in XP days but vendors were changing cheap chips into expensive ones so they stopped this.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Zap
Yeah, the "problem" is that your CPU will be running 800MHz faster than it should. BITD of socket A there were some more substantial drops in performance if you didn't run 1:1 but these days no big deal since there essentially is no 1:1 ratio anymore. From what I hear about how these things work, the RAM is at a ratio from the CPU core speed or something, not at a ratio from FSB.

Regardless of the inner workings, suffice to say that not only is running RAM ratios not a problem, it's the preferred method when dealing with super high overclocks on A64. That, and reducing HT multiplier.

So if I did the 2/3 ratio, I could use DDR400 memory @ 200 MHz, right? Since the memory would then be clocked at around 190 MHz, 66% of 288? With Monarch I can get 1GB of OCZ DDR400 for around $90, would that work fine with a 288 HTT if I had a 2/3 ratio?

This is another reason you want DFI board which offers way more dividers (120, 140 , 150, 180 ETC).

No, 133 mem setting ("2/3" which is not really 2/3) would be 172 Mhz mem speed at 288 HTT - effectivly underclocking your ram. No biggie if you seen the memory threads and you could lower timings erasing any performance lost. Incredibly 175Mhz can hang with 1:1 290 Mhz just fine in real would performance!


But 288HTT? Are you really going to clock that low? These chips are 2800 Mhz capable easy which means 311 HTT and only DFI can relibly do that!

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Zap
Yeah, the "problem" is that your CPU will be running 800MHz faster than it should. BITD of socket A there were some more substantial drops in performance if you didn't run 1:1 but these days no big deal since there essentially is no 1:1 ratio anymore. From what I hear about how these things work, the RAM is at a ratio from the CPU core speed or something, not at a ratio from FSB.

Regardless of the inner workings, suffice to say that not only is running RAM ratios not a problem, it's the preferred method when dealing with super high overclocks on A64. That, and reducing HT multiplier.

So if I did the 2/3 ratio, I could use DDR400 memory @ 200 MHz, right? Since the memory would then be clocked at around 190 MHz, 66% of 288? With Monarch I can get 1GB of OCZ DDR400 for around $90, would that work fine with a 288 HTT if I had a 2/3 ratio?

This is another reason you want DFI board which offers way more dividers (120, 140 , 150, 180 ETC).

No, 133 mem setting ("2/3" which is not really 2/3) would be 172 Mhz mem speed at 288 HTT - effectivly underclocking your ram. No biggie if you seen the memory threads and you could lower timings erasing any performance lost. Incredibly 175Mhz can hang with 1:1 290 Mhz just fine in real would performance!


But 288HTT? Are you really going to clock that low? These chips are 2800 Mhz capable easy which means 311 HTT and only DFI can relibly do that!

I dont know how far I'd go if I get it, but the only thing I've ever overclocked before is my vid card (R 9600), so I'm going to be pretty conservative. I'd rather have a 2.6 GHz FX-55 for $130 over risking frying my hardware to get it to 2.8 GHz. Not much of a difference in performance, especially since I'm going to go with a 6600GT if I get this (then upgrade to a high-end GPU when DX10 comes out). A 6600GT would probably bottleneck the Opteron at 2.8 GHz anyway.

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Is it possible to increase the multiplier for the Opteron 144?

No, you can only decrease it to 5 if you want to. That's what cool N quiet does effectively. But, you cannot increase it.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Zap
Yeah, the "problem" is that your CPU will be running 800MHz faster than it should. BITD of socket A there were some more substantial drops in performance if you didn't run 1:1 but these days no big deal since there essentially is no 1:1 ratio anymore. From what I hear about how these things work, the RAM is at a ratio from the CPU core speed or something, not at a ratio from FSB.

Regardless of the inner workings, suffice to say that not only is running RAM ratios not a problem, it's the preferred method when dealing with super high overclocks on A64. That, and reducing HT multiplier.

So if I did the 2/3 ratio, I could use DDR400 memory @ 200 MHz, right? Since the memory would then be clocked at around 190 MHz, 66% of 288? With Monarch I can get 1GB of OCZ DDR400 for around $90, would that work fine with a 288 HTT if I had a 2/3 ratio?

This is another reason you want DFI board which offers way more dividers (120, 140 , 150, 180 ETC).

No, 133 mem setting ("2/3" which is not really 2/3) would be 172 Mhz mem speed at 288 HTT - effectivly underclocking your ram. No biggie if you seen the memory threads and you could lower timings erasing any performance lost. Incredibly 175Mhz can hang with 1:1 290 Mhz just fine in real would performance!


But 288HTT? Are you really going to clock that low? These chips are 2800 Mhz capable easy which means 311 HTT and only DFI can relibly do that!

I dont know how far I'd go if I get it, but the only thing I've ever overclocked before is my vid card (R 9600), so I'm going to be pretty conservative. I'd rather have a 2.6 GHz FX-55 for $130 over risking frying my hardware to get it to 2.8 GHz. Not much of a difference in performance, especially since I'm going to go with a 6600GT if I get this (then upgrade to a high-end GPU when DX10 comes out). A 6600GT would probably bottleneck the Opteron at 2.8 GHz anyway.

Perfectly logical I always advise default volts overclocking...safe that way....doesn't change the fact DFI will give you more memory flexibility having twice as many dividers as all the other boards. What board are you running now? If you have one I don't suggest upgrading but as I said eariler in thread DFI should be only board worth considering in this combo. Cheap, more dividers, more overclcokable, better sound. It's only problem is an active HSF.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Zap
Yeah, the "problem" is that your CPU will be running 800MHz faster than it should. BITD of socket A there were some more substantial drops in performance if you didn't run 1:1 but these days no big deal since there essentially is no 1:1 ratio anymore. From what I hear about how these things work, the RAM is at a ratio from the CPU core speed or something, not at a ratio from FSB.

Regardless of the inner workings, suffice to say that not only is running RAM ratios not a problem, it's the preferred method when dealing with super high overclocks on A64. That, and reducing HT multiplier.

So if I did the 2/3 ratio, I could use DDR400 memory @ 200 MHz, right? Since the memory would then be clocked at around 190 MHz, 66% of 288? With Monarch I can get 1GB of OCZ DDR400 for around $90, would that work fine with a 288 HTT if I had a 2/3 ratio?

This is another reason you want DFI board which offers way more dividers (120, 140 , 150, 180 ETC).

No, 133 mem setting ("2/3" which is not really 2/3) would be 172 Mhz mem speed at 288 HTT - effectivly underclocking your ram. No biggie if you seen the memory threads and you could lower timings erasing any performance lost. Incredibly 175Mhz can hang with 1:1 290 Mhz just fine in real would performance!


But 288HTT? Are you really going to clock that low? These chips are 2800 Mhz capable easy which means 311 HTT and only DFI can relibly do that!

I dont know how far I'd go if I get it, but the only thing I've ever overclocked before is my vid card (R 9600), so I'm going to be pretty conservative. I'd rather have a 2.6 GHz FX-55 for $130 over risking frying my hardware to get it to 2.8 GHz. Not much of a difference in performance, especially since I'm going to go with a 6600GT if I get this (then upgrade to a high-end GPU when DX10 comes out). A 6600GT would probably bottleneck the Opteron at 2.8 GHz anyway.

Perfectly logical I always advise default volts overclocking...safe that way....doesn't change the fact DFI will give you more memory flexibility having twice as many dividers as all the other boards. What board are you running now? If you have one I don't suggest upgrading but as I said eariler in thread DFI should be only board worth considering in this combo. Cheap, more dividers, more overclcokable, better sound. It's only problem is an active HSF.

Right now I'm running an Intel s478 mobo with a Pentium 4 3 GHz.........
And yeah, if I'm going to get the combo I'll get the DFI Ultra.......

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
So if I did the 2/3 ratio, I could use DDR400 memory @ 200 MHz, right? Since the memory would then be clocked at around 190 MHz, 66% of 288? With Monarch I can get 1GB of OCZ DDR400 for around $90, would that work fine with a 288 HTT if I had a 2/3 ratio?

Yeah, that would work great.

Originally posted by: Zebo
As far as chipset - I made a holdown plate from the stock DFI cooler. Not much left after dremel hit it.

Good luck with the Abit KN8 - I can't get past 275 HTT with my AN8 ultra

Thanks for the rundown on your custom chipset heatsink!

My wife's KN8 runs at 300MHz fine with a lowered multiplier (the 3200+ won't run at 3GHz... wonder why :roll: ).

I'm )( this close to buying one... still trying to say no...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Extelleron
So if I did the 2/3 ratio, I could use DDR400 memory @ 200 MHz, right? Since the memory would then be clocked at around 190 MHz, 66% of 288? With Monarch I can get 1GB of OCZ DDR400 for around $90, would that work fine with a 288 HTT if I had a 2/3 ratio?

Yeah, that would work great.

Originally posted by: Zebo
As far as chipset - I made a holdown plate from the stock DFI cooler. Not much left after dremel hit it.

Good luck with the Abit KN8 - I can't get past 275 HTT with my AN8 ultra

Thanks for the rundown on your custom chipset heatsink!

My wife's KN8 runs at 300MHz fine with a lowered multiplier (the 3200+ won't run at 3GHz... wonder why :roll: ).

I'm )( this close to buying one... still trying to say no...

I tried 5x to 8x could not get a POST above about 280. Tried all the volts to chipset too(interestingly more volts make crap out eariler) Even Put new AS on the chipset thinking that might cool it better. Really pissed me off with the 165 cause I love ABIT.

 

[kyotousa]

is it bad to have 2.9 volt DRAM voltage?

trying to increase HTT by keep cpu stock voltage 1.36-1.4

increase ram voltage and change the ram multiplier....that's the safer way to do it for Venice 3000+ right?

 

[Zap]

My board originally had that problem at 250MHz which worked fine but 251MHz resulted in no POST. BIOS update fixed that problem. Another problem I encountered was that the board didn't like my G.Skill ZX CAS 2 memory, giving me all kinds of blues. Kingmax CAS 2.5 and GEIL CAS 2 memory both worked fine.

Who knows, maybe I'll go for the LANPARTY Ultra-D... $10 less than Newegg.

My new idea is to forget about selling off my X2... I'll leave my main rig alone and upgrade my gaming rig!!! I'll be stuck with a slower video card for a while though.

 

[kyotousa]

anyone using kingston hyperx with DFI NF4 UltraD??
i am having problem to run dual channel....
however the seller said they are dual channel ram...

 

[Epsil0n00]

Originally posted by: kyotousa
anyone using kingston hyperx with DFI NF4 UltraD??
i am having problem to run dual channel....
however the seller said they are dual channel ram...

Nice thread hijack

 

[Zebo]

Yeah sorry about that too.. Let's get this thread back on track.

 

[Zap]

Yes, back on track.

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I just ordered. Opteron 144, LANPARTY Ultra-D, Nero, no HSF (I'll see if I can get away with it a second time ).

Avalon and Zebo, I hate you both for making me agonize over this for two days.

P.S. My credit card wanted to add it's hatred too. It's still emitting smoke even though it was a virtual transaction.

Now, how do I explain to my wife that we can't go out to dinner for the next few weeks? :shocked:

 

[Zap]

BTW, I really hope the motherboard is worth it because my normal MO has been to save $40 on the motherboard and just put it towards the next faster CPU... but there's no Opteron at $170.

 

[Sideswiped]

Originally posted by: Navid

Originally posted by: Sideswiped
Time to retire my Athlon XP to the parents.

Hopefully I'll be able to hit 2.6-2.8ghz with the opteron 144 & Asrock mobo(hell if I'm going to part with my 6800gt)

Be careful!

That motherboard does not go over FSB=274 gracefully. I have one. You will have to deal with cold boot problems if you go over 274.

Yep I know. I've been following the Asrock thread over @ [ H ]. I doubt I won't be able to hit atleast 2.3ghz. That should be a decent upgrade.

If I splurge on a PCI-E video card down the road I'll most likely be getting a new mobo also. Just don't have the cash flow right now.

 

[NYCFella420]

Is there a way to get just the OEM 144 for $130? I got like 2 mobo's already, not justifiable to me! thanks

 

[EXman]

Got my opty OEM and DFI Ultra-D mobo.

got all the retail package stuff and the combo was assembled in the box with TOO MUCH grey goo!!!

but underneath it all was a CAB2E 0546

gonna use the venus 7 for a project it looks like the old OCZ Gladiator from 2000-2001!