AMD Opteron Benchmarks?

[mykemyk2006]

im a bit pissed off because i bought an Opt 150 and i CANNOT get past 2760mhz stable. Its my first tiem overclocking but i find this garbage . the funny part is everything is on stock with this overclock once i change settings and up the fsb it fails prime 95. sigh no clue what to do but i know thats not the final wall.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006
im a bit pissed off because i bought an Opt 150 and i CANNOT get past 2760mhz stable. Its my first tiem overclocking but i find this garbage . the funny part is everything is on stock with this overclock once i change settings and up the fsb it fails prime 95. sigh no clue what to do but i know thats not the final wall.

really nothing to be pissed of about. 2760 MHz is huge.

 

[TriggerHappy101]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Yeah, but doesnt really say much for singel core's. I posted a reply on the thread.

its basically stating the fact that there is no difference.

For instance an Athlon 3700+ is the same as an Opteron 148, as is the Athlon 4000+ and a Opteron 150.

And also an FX57 with an OCed opteron at 2.8Ghz.

The only thing that is different is the name of the processor and the name of the core. Even with the different names they are identical and will perform the same at comparable speeds (they are all E4 revs). Although the opterons are the same processor to the equivalent Athlon, the silicon is binned differently, thus graded with higher yield silicon, which in turn produces better OC?s (which is quite evident). Hence all the fuss, when you can get a FX57 or 59 for that matter for a very cheap price

Moral: they just use different names, but Opterons OC better.

Okay so I now undertand they are simulair proccessors and will get simulair results at the same clock speeds. But you saying the Athlon 3700+ is the same as the Opteron 148 STOCK without overclock? Or after overclock? I really dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on a proccessor. I need $ for my 300 dollar videocard (eVGA 7800GT)

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Yeah, but doesnt really say much for singel core's. I posted a reply on the thread.

its basically stating the fact that there is no difference.

For instance an Athlon 3700+ is the same as an Opteron 148, as is the Athlon 4000+ and a Opteron 150.

And also an FX57 with an OCed opteron at 2.8Ghz.

The only thing that is different is the name of the processor and the name of the core. Even with the different names they are identical and will perform the same at comparable speeds (they are all E4 revs). Although the opterons are the same processor to the equivalent Athlon, the silicon is binned differently, thus graded with higher yield silicon, which in turn produces better OC?s (which is quite evident). Hence all the fuss, when you can get a FX57 or 59 for that matter for a very cheap price

Moral: they just use different names, but Opterons OC better.

Okay so I now undertand they are simulair proccessors and will get simulair results at the same clock speeds. But you saying the Athlon 3700+ is the same as the Opteron 148 STOCK without overclock? Or after overclock? I really dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on a proccessor. I need $ for my 300 dollar videocard (eVGA 7800GT)

3700 diego = 2.2GHz
148 opteron = 2.2GHz
both with 1MB cache

if you want to stay under 200, get a 146 or 144 and o/c it to 2.2, which is nearly guaranteed with a 144 or 146, plus you will be at ~$150 or ~$175 depending on which one you go with

 

[mykemyk2006]

Overclocking an Opteron to fx57 levels does give the same performance as an fx57 at stock. However fx 57s are much better with heat disipation and can overclock much higher than 3 mhz. So lets not really say we have a $1200 chip for $200 because we really dont.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006
Overclocking an Opteron to fx57 levels does give the same performance as an fx57 at stock. However fx 57s are much better with heat disipation and can overclock much higher than 3 mhz. So lets not really say we have a $1200 chip for $200 because we really dont.

Well, you have a better chance of hitting 3GHz+ with an FX-57. Most of the ones I've seen don't oc much higher than a good Opteron until you put exotic cooling on them. So while you're correct in saying that we don't have $1200 FX-57's (actually more like $800-900 now), the good Opterons will generally run neck and neck with them even when you factor in overclocking headroom.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006
Overclocking an Opteron to fx57 levels does give the same performance as an fx57 at stock. However fx 57s are much better with heat disipation and can overclock much higher than 3 mhz. So lets not really say we have a $1200 chip for $200 because we really dont.

why do you say the fx are much better at heat dissipation? if the fx57 can o/c so much higher than 3GHz why don't you ever hear about it, one that is prime stabe?

you need to back up this statement with facts. about the only thing i can think of where a fx series is "better" is because they are unlocked...no really worth $500+

also, how does a opteron @ 2.8GHz(whether it be 144/146) not equal a fx57 @ 2.8GHz?

 

[mykemyk2006]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006
Overclocking an Opteron to fx57 levels does give the same performance as an fx57 at stock. However fx 57s are much better with heat disipation and can overclock much higher than 3 mhz. So lets not really say we have a $1200 chip for $200 because we really dont.

why do you say the fx are much better at heat dissipation? if the fx57 can o/c so much higher than 3GHz why don't you ever hear about it, one that is prime stabe?

you need to back up this statement with facts. about the only thing i can think of where a fx series is "better" is because they are unlocked...no really worth $500+

also, how does a opteron @ 2.8GHz(whether it be 144/146) not equal a fx57 @ 2.8GHz?

Plz try not to manipulate my words. I never said an Opt at 2.8 doesnt equal fx 57 at 2.8 speeds. What i said was it doesnt really equal it because of heat dissipation. And if you did your research instead of getting yoru @#!$ in a knot over forums statements youd understand that fx 57 chips are far more superior than an Opt 148 at 2.8. Also, go do some more reading and youll find most if not all fx 57 overclockers getting over 3 ghz prime stable. I think you need to go AMD and read up on thermal temperatures of this chip as well. Do you really think a multi billion dollar company is dumb enough to give you their exact same product for 800 less? plz think about it

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006
Overclocking an Opteron to fx57 levels does give the same performance as an fx57 at stock. However fx 57s are much better with heat disipation and can overclock much higher than 3 mhz. So lets not really say we have a $1200 chip for $200 because we really dont.

why do you say the fx are much better at heat dissipation? if the fx57 can o/c so much higher than 3GHz why don't you ever hear about it, one that is prime stabe?

you need to back up this statement with facts. about the only thing i can think of where a fx series is "better" is because they are unlocked...no really worth $500+

also, how does a opteron @ 2.8GHz(whether it be 144/146) not equal a fx57 @ 2.8GHz?

Plz try not to manipulate my words. I never said an Opt at 2.8 doesnt equal fx 57 at 2.8 speeds. What i said was it doesnt really equal it because of heat dissipation. And if you did your research instead of getting yoru @#!$ in a knot over forums statements youd understand that fx 57 chips are far more superior than an Opt 148 at 2.8. Also, go do some more reading and youll find most if not all fx 57 overclockers getting over 3 ghz prime stable. I think you need to go AMD and read up on thermal temperatures of this chip as well. Do you really think a multi billion dollar company is dumb enough to give you their exact same product for 800 less? plz think about it

The funny thing is the Opteron 144/148 "CABNE 0528GPMW" and 146 "CABNE 0530APMW" was the same stepping found on FX57's, and people over at XS compared the CPU's and they overclocked identically. A couple of the top overclockers found this stepping on the Opteron 144?s and they reached clocks of past 3Ghz on air .

Also most FX57?s, top out between 3Ghz - 3.1Ghz on air using voltage around 1.55v, and a lot of specific batched opterons are reaching the same speed.

The Opteron148 i have can do 3Ghz on 1.48v fully prime stable, and thats just a slight voltage bump over stock volts

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006
Overclocking an Opteron to fx57 levels does give the same performance as an fx57 at stock. However fx 57s are much better with heat disipation and can overclock much higher than 3 mhz. So lets not really say we have a $1200 chip for $200 because we really dont.

why do you say the fx are much better at heat dissipation? if the fx57 can o/c so much higher than 3GHz why don't you ever hear about it, one that is prime stabe?

you need to back up this statement with facts. about the only thing i can think of where a fx series is "better" is because they are unlocked...no really worth $500+

also, how does a opteron @ 2.8GHz(whether it be 144/146) not equal a fx57 @ 2.8GHz?

Plz try not to manipulate my words. I never said an Opt at 2.8 doesnt equal fx 57 at 2.8 speeds. What i said was it doesnt really equal it because of heat dissipation. And if you did your research instead of getting yoru @#!$ in a knot over forums statements youd understand that fx 57 chips are far more superior than an Opt 148 at 2.8. Also, go do some more reading and youll find most if not all fx 57 overclockers getting over 3 ghz prime stable. I think you need to go AMD and read up on thermal temperatures of this chip as well. Do you really think a multi billion dollar company is dumb enough to give you their exact same product for 800 less? plz think about it

i am not trying to manipulate sh!t, you made two statements and i was addressing one of them.

and i don't know what you are talking about regarding the heat dissipation - straight from the amd site:

Q: How will the new AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory support differ from the AMD Athlon? 64 and AMD Athlon 64 FX processors?
A: Although the AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with unbuffered memory support will share the same core technology as the AMD Athlon 64 and AMD Athlon 64 FX processors and will be socket and thermally compatible, there are some distinct differences:

* AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory all have 1MB of L2 cache.
* AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory are produced on AMD Opteron processor die material and follow the same AMD Opteron processor manufacturing process as do the 800 Series and 200 Series.
* AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory undergo the same AMD Opteron processor-level testing and validation as do the 800 Series and 200 Series.

is this what you are talking about?

and no i don't think a "multi billion dollar company is dumb enough to give you their exact same product for 800 less", as the cpus were not destined to be on the desktop, they were/are meant to take away server market share for intel. it just happens that we benefit from them. also, why don't you think about how many people actually use them in the whole scheme of things - we, the people who build their own machines, are in the extreme minority out of all computer sales, amd doesn't care that they are losing $$$ because most of us who do build our own machines and know a little something about them would not buy a fx series cpu because we could get venices/diegos to o/c to nearly the same. the fx is for people who either don't know or have a small e-penis, or a lot of $$$ to burn, like a friend of mine, brings in about $5M/y. if he came to me and said bob i want the best gaming computer, $$$$ is not an object, guess what, he gets a fx...because he couldn't care less if i saved him $500 on a cpu.

 

[Furen]

Originally posted by: mykemyk2006

Do you really think a multi billion dollar company is dumb enough to give you their exact same product for 800 less? plz think about it

No, a multi-billion-dollar company is giving you a $50 product at $200 and, if you just feel like paying more, it'll sell it to you at $1000.

 

[TriggerHappy101]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Yeah, but doesnt really say much for singel core's. I posted a reply on the thread.

its basically stating the fact that there is no difference.

For instance an Athlon 3700+ is the same as an Opteron 148, as is the Athlon 4000+ and a Opteron 150.

And also an FX57 with an OCed opteron at 2.8Ghz.

The only thing that is different is the name of the processor and the name of the core. Even with the different names they are identical and will perform the same at comparable speeds (they are all E4 revs). Although the opterons are the same processor to the equivalent Athlon, the silicon is binned differently, thus graded with higher yield silicon, which in turn produces better OC?s (which is quite evident). Hence all the fuss, when you can get a FX57 or 59 for that matter for a very cheap price

Moral: they just use different names, but Opterons OC better.

Okay so I now undertand they are simulair proccessors and will get simulair results at the same clock speeds. But you saying the Athlon 3700+ is the same as the Opteron 148 STOCK without overclock? Or after overclock? I really dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on a proccessor. I need $ for my 300 dollar videocard (eVGA 7800GT)

3700 diego = 2.2GHz
148 opteron = 2.2GHz
both with 1MB cache

if you want to stay under 200, get a 146 or 144 and o/c it to 2.2, which is nearly guaranteed with a 144 or 146, plus you will be at ~$150 or ~$175 depending on which one you go with

Very intresting. Will a 146 be able to overclock past an athlon 64 3700+'s overclock? (stock cooling.)

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Yeah, but doesnt really say much for singel core's. I posted a reply on the thread.

its basically stating the fact that there is no difference.

For instance an Athlon 3700+ is the same as an Opteron 148, as is the Athlon 4000+ and a Opteron 150.

And also an FX57 with an OCed opteron at 2.8Ghz.

The only thing that is different is the name of the processor and the name of the core. Even with the different names they are identical and will perform the same at comparable speeds (they are all E4 revs). Although the opterons are the same processor to the equivalent Athlon, the silicon is binned differently, thus graded with higher yield silicon, which in turn produces better OC?s (which is quite evident). Hence all the fuss, when you can get a FX57 or 59 for that matter for a very cheap price

Moral: they just use different names, but Opterons OC better.

Okay so I now undertand they are simulair proccessors and will get simulair results at the same clock speeds. But you saying the Athlon 3700+ is the same as the Opteron 148 STOCK without overclock? Or after overclock? I really dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on a proccessor. I need $ for my 300 dollar videocard (eVGA 7800GT)

3700 diego = 2.2GHz
148 opteron = 2.2GHz
both with 1MB cache

if you want to stay under 200, get a 146 or 144 and o/c it to 2.2, which is nearly guaranteed with a 144 or 146, plus you will be at ~$150 or ~$175 depending on which one you go with

Very intresting. Will a 146 be able to overclock past an athlon 64 3700+'s overclock? (stock cooling.)

i am doing 2.5GHz stock V but a aftermarket hsf combo, but i really don't think the hsf combo was necessary from what i have read the stock one does fine. the 144 has a mulitplier of 9 so my htt(fsb) is 280, so if you wanted a 146 to hit 2.2 (3700) all you need to do is make it 220 htt(fsb) and you will have the same speed as a 3700, which i think is pretty much guaranteed stock hsf/V combo. i am gettting a 700MHz o/c on stock V, all you want is 200MHz...

actually my o/c would be equal to a 4150 or fx54 if they made them...but i stopped at stock V, i could easily to 2.6, 2.7 or probably higher...

 

[TriggerHappy101]

Cool. What about the athlons though? How far can you push them?

 

[lopri]

Not alot *compared to Opterons*. Most top out around 2.5~2.7GHz (with LOTS OF VOLTAGES). Opterons, as we know, will do 2.7~3.0GHz under 1.5V.

 

[themusgrat]

BTW, reread that quote. Basically, Opties are only different if they have ECC mem. If not, they are the same, but better in OCing. I can get to 3.0 with my 165, and that is better than FX-60.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
BTW, reread that quote. Basically, Opties are only different if they have ECC mem. If not, they are the same, but better in OCing. I can get to 3.0 with my 165, and that is better than FX-60.

actually, i have read that all recent(not sure what revision) skt939 a64s support ecc, it is whether or not the m/b does. i can't remember where i heard this, but i found it interesting...

 

[TriggerHappy101]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
BTW, reread that quote. Basically, Opties are only different if they have ECC mem. If not, they are the same, but better in OCing. I can get to 3.0 with my 165, and that is better than FX-60.

How do i know if it has ECC memory?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: themusgrat
BTW, reread that quote. Basically, Opties are only different if they have ECC mem. If not, they are the same, but better in OCing. I can get to 3.0 with my 165, and that is better than FX-60.

How do i know if it has ECC memory?

it is usually on server type boards only, not enthusiasts boards like we would buy. and ecc ram is more expensive.

 

[TriggerHappy101]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: themusgrat
BTW, reread that quote. Basically, Opties are only different if they have ECC mem. If not, they are the same, but better in OCing. I can get to 3.0 with my 165, and that is better than FX-60.

How do i know if it has ECC memory?

it is usually on server type boards only, not enthusiasts boards like we would buy. and ecc ram is more expensive.

ah, forget about that then

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101

Originally posted by: themusgrat
BTW, reread that quote. Basically, Opties are only different if they have ECC mem. If not, they are the same, but better in OCing. I can get to 3.0 with my 165, and that is better than FX-60.

How do i know if it has ECC memory?

it is usually on server type boards only, not enthusiasts boards like we would buy. and ecc ram is more expensive.

ah, forget about that then

definately not something you would need for a high performance rig or even workstation(although some workstations have it), mission critical stuff

 

[BKMerlin]

The Differances between the Opteron and the FX are the Opteron has 3 HyperTransport Links the FX only has one and it

ATHLON 64 X2
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Pro...n/0,,30_118_9485_13041%5E13043,00.html

* One 16-bit link at 2000MHz
* 8 GB/s HyperTransport? technology I/O bandwidth
* 14.4 GB/s total delivered processor-to-system bandwidth

Opteron 165 Series Dual Core
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8826,00.html

* Provides a scalable bandwidth interconnect between processors, I/O subsystems, and other chipsets
* Support of up to three (3) coherent HyperTransport links, providing up to 24.0 GB/s peak bandwidth per processor
* Up to 8.0 GB/s bandwidth per link providing sufficient bandwidth for supporting new interconnects including PCI-X, DDR, InfiniBand, and 10G Ethernet
* Offers low power consumption (1.2 volts) to help reduce a system?s thermal budget

 

[Makaveli]

BK Merlin, those differences are correct for Socket 940 Opterons not Socket 939.

Socket 939 Opterons don't have 3 HyperTransport links only 1.

 

[BKMerlin]

The page is for the Workstation version of the Opteron that is a 939 Everypage says it has up to three HT links if you found something else please provide a link because I can't find it on the AMD site.

Thanks

Merlin

 

[lyssword]

3 ht links thats probably for multi-processor setup. I have opty 146 s939, I'm guessing it would b about same speed as xp64 3200+ 90nm. It has 1mb cache vs 512 on 3200+ it may./may not b faster in some programs that utilize that. But pretty much look at Mhz speed and architecture to compare, they are very alike..