AMD or Intel?, what way should I go??

[Kintoke]

mmm...well, I decided to go to the duron way (sorry NOS), but..what will be the Max number (clock number) that will have the palomino??.

thanks

 

[Zephyr]

<< Come on Zephyr only 27 to go to break a Hundred >>



Ahhh.. that's why you brought up the Irongate chipset

oh well I have nother new to say on this matter that I have not said 1000 times before. I quite happy with my socalled &quot;buggy&quot; Irongate board. Yes the KT133 is better, I'm nor saying the Irongate was flawless, I'm just saying that it was a good chipset in its time

 

[NOS440]

I think the irongate was luck of the draw to many people had tons of problems with the first batch the later ones I believe are just fine. I really think that AMD should of done some kind of recall like Intel does when theres a problem with there stuff although there forced to at times. If they had I would probably still be using a Athlon right now.

 

[Zephyr]

I agree there was some AMD750 mobos that were less than adequate in terms of stability (most notoriusly the FIC SD11), however there were also some that were great, like the MSI6167 and the Gigabyte GA-71X. Both of these were &quot;first&quot; batch boards are are known for their stability. Personally I think Asus should have done a better job on the K7M, since I've heard oe horror story too many about this board. Never had problems with it myself though.

Anyway my point is it was not AMD job to recall, mobo manufacturer should have recalled bad batches, (FIC should have recalled the SD11) but it was ultimatvely not AMD's job, and blaming them is rather missing the point.

 

[NOS440]

Well the thing is ... you can say it was Asus's fault but your throwing rocks at the best name in the MB business couldn't it be that Asus was the first to make the that chipset motherboard and also got the first shipments and they were just plain bad chipsets becuase they never changed there design but all the latter made K7Ms work great seems awefull fishy to me... Asus is well reconized for making top notch motherboard !!!!!

 

[qiu]

OK. Who is stupid enough to bet his money on expensive products that don't worth that kind of investment, remains that way...

Folks, let's have a quick one: PRICE/PERFORMANCE...

who's better @this one, huh? Intel SUCKS &amp; AMD RULEZ

That's all!

 

[Kintoke]

the past is the past, so lets think about the future...what will be the higher clock that palomino will have?

 

[Zephyr]

actually NOS if you get your history straight Asus was NOT amongst the first to offer a mobo for the K7, the first was FIC, MSI &amp; Gigabyte (lovinly named &quot;the three musketeers&quot. Asus might have had it ready at the same time but chose not to releas it later for one reason or another.

About Asus being known for top notch.. well I'm not impressed! I find Asus to make nice boards, but not better than e.g. MSI or Abit.

 

[NOS440]

No one said they make the best boards I siad they are one of the top respected companies in the business. I think your facts are off a little the only boards I remember when I got my Athlon was the gigabyte and the Fic and the K7M and I seem to remember alot of whinig abot all of them I believe the MSI came out a month or so later if I recall right. Don't remember even seeing a review of anything else for a while and I also seem to remember that it wasn't until the MSI pro board came out that MSI was thought to be all that good of a board. But hey my memory could be slipping

 

[NOS440]

Nah the past is fun to and were trying to reach a 100 here LOL !!!!!

 

[NOS440]

15 to go Zephry LOL!!!!!!

 

[NOS440]

sorry had to edit.

 

[Zephyr]

NOS you are mistaken... Asus was heavily critized for NOT releasing a K7 board at first and was accused of taking money from Intel for not doing so... the K7M wasn't even officially out till 2-3 months after the inital release of the K7. The three first K7 motherboards was as I stated before MSI 6167, FIC SD11 and Gigabyte GA-71X.

The MSI 6167 was on pricewatch on the 9th of august 1999 (the day the NDA on the Athlon was liftet)
Specification of the K7M was first seen on august the 21th, and the board was officially lauched on september the 9th under the &quot;covername&quot; Freeway.

If you do not believe me I suggest you brush up a bit on your history, I have checked up on mine with archived news primarely from amdzone, and they were in fact correct, I just didn't remember the exact dates.

EDIT: there were basically two camps back then regarding the MSI 6167 either you loved it or you hated it. I've always found mine to be very stable so I think it's a very good board, however with that said I believe the Gigabyte GA-71X to be a better board, it was my first choice but I was unable to buy one here at the time so I went with the MSI.

EDIT2: PS. NOS, you're a damn spammer you know that? J/K

 

[Kintoke]

I forgot to ask something: what CPU is more easy to reach 1ghz, a duron 700 (or 750) or a Athlon 750????
I saw in a store an athlon 750, but I don`t know if it was a Tbird, what do you think??
thanks

(wow, now the dicussion is about motherboard manufacter!!!, I think that next we will be discussing why 3dfx is out in the video market!!!)

 

[NOS440]

I would think there are both about the same but I really don't know Zephyr can answer that for you.

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr you are mistaken they where highly critized for not advertising there board and releasing it in a white box and making it a treasure hunt to find anything about it on the web sight and everyone blamed it on Intel presure. What I really thought is that they new the chipset wasn't ready for prime time and untill they ironed the bugs out they didn't want to many of them hitting the streets was more the story LOL!!!


AS far as the MSI I said IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT !!!!!! thanks for solidifying my theory &quot;there were basically two camps back then regarding the MSI 6167 either you loved it or you hated it. I've always found mine to be very stable so I think it's a very good board&quot; just goes to prove it was the luck of the draw and the same went for Gigabyte I know of 2 freinds with that board one it was smooth sailing the other BSODs all the time again luck of the draw.

 

[Zephyr]

<< Zephyr you are mistaken they where highly critized for not advertising there board and releasing it in a white box and making it a treasure hunt to find anything about it on the web sight and everyone blamed it on Intel presure. What I really thought is that they new the chipset wasn't ready for prime time and untill they ironed the bugs out they didn't want to many of them hitting the streets was more the story LOL!!! >>



Ahh. NOS you disappoint me now.. you were in the AMD camp back then you know just as well what a huge fiasco this were. If one is inclined to believe one thing or another is somewhat a matter of belifs. However what I'm sayin is that it is strange how FIC as the only mobo maker was included in the ongoing Intel vs. Via lawsuit over the use of 133MHz FSB back then. Maybe Intel didn't have to say anything...



<< AS far as the MSI I said IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT !!!!!! thanks for solidifying my theory &quot;there were basically two camps back then regarding the MSI 6167 either you loved it or you hated it. I've always found mine to be very stable so I think it's a very good board&quot; just goes to prove it was the luck of the draw and the same went for Gigabyte I know of 2 freinds with that board one it was smooth sailing the other BSODs all the time again luck of the draw. >>



Well, yes they were picky with what you threw in and as such you could say it was a draw of luck, however I don't believe I've ever said the AMD750 was NOT picky about hardware. With that said I've only myself experienced problems with generic ram, and have thrown all kinds of vid cars and pci stuff in these boards with no trouble at all. I believe many problem arose form people switching from Intel was not used to having to install miniport drivers and such, like us long term Via users already had learned at the time.

 

[NOS440]

Well I still stand by my theory I think some of the chipsets or maybe the CPU's themselves were just flawed or both a product of pore Quality control.. but Hey its just my opinion. Remember when the Athlon was release AMD was at a Do or Die cross roads very close to a possible take over way in debt and just barely hanging on the hope of the Athlon..

 

[AtomClock]

My vote is intell

 

[Zephyr]

yes ofcourse AMD didn't have the ressources for as intensive testing at the time as Intel would have had.. the GF1 issue is a proof of that... nevertheless I think the AMD750 was pretty good for a first chipset release for a brand new platform.. it's not like the P4 has been trouble free either.

Either way the discusssion is about as relevant as discussing the P54 FDIV bug, since it's an outphased product, and even if you were to buy a AMD750 mobo today I'd say it was so mature that I wouldn't expect any problems... assuming you'd done your homework first

 

[NOS440]

Yea the P-4 has one hell of a problem you can't use PCI video cards with it LOL like someone would use a PCI card with a long dollar PC like that LOL!! Well maybe dual monitor hook up I guess but that's not a BSOD type junk problem. Also the 815e went off like a dream. the problem with the 820 was really stupid too and was Intel trying to satisfy the Public becuase of the crazy RDram prices. To me these are all silly problems and what did Intel do THEY RECALLED THE FAULTY PRODUCTS WHEN IT PROVED TO BE SERIUOS. Get what I'm saying here !!!!!!!!!

 

[NOS440]

Oh I'm going to get the 750 for my buddy and think there will be no problems now !!!!!!!!



Atomclock thanks for the support !!!!!!! LOL

 

[Kintoke]

Hey!!!!, I have seen a lot of reports that said that the athlon family (duron included), and their chipset (amd 750, 760 kt133..etc.) are very inestable!!, look, I have a memory called Simple tech. (128 in ram), and I want that this ram works in my sistem! so I don`t know what to to... all my sistems were intel based (pentium and pentium -3)and I don`t want to change to a based system that is inestable (in win, in all appz in games). Do I need another power supply (I have one 250w.)??, please, Help me!!!

 

[Informant X]

First, How could you compare the P4 to the Thunderbird? I'd hope that Intels next generation CPU could beat the Thunderbird. That's like comparing a Geforce 2 GTS to a Voodoo3. Different generations. NOS let's learn to speak some english, learn some grammer etc.

and uhhhhh...oh yeah...Kintoke *cough* *cough* /me looks around. Are there a lot of nekkid chicks in Chile? lol

 

[Drifter]

>Intel