AMD Phenom X3 710 --> X4

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: deimos3428

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
HWMonitor works for me on the newer AMD 7xx chipsets. The only problem I've ever had with it was with older nForce stuff like the 6150/430 chips.

Nice utility. It can't detect the temperature of the 4th core on my unlocked 710, but I assume it's about the same as the three. Somewhat humorously, it detects it as "AMD Phenom II 910".

Armed with accurate temperature sensors, I'm back to overclocking...


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...or not. It seems it somehow reverted back to a tri-core. Perhaps I reset the BIOS to saved defaults and forgot, but if so it's even stranger that it detected as a 910. I re-unlocked it and it shows four cores for temperature sensors -- but they all state 0C.

It looks to me as if the developer updates on alternating months with CPUz and HWMonitor - at least over the last 9 months. He (or she) last updated HWMonitor on 1/22 and CPUz on 2/14 so HWMonitor is due for a refresh this month if the schedule holds.

Hard to find anyone more deserving of a paypal donation ...

edit: I fixed those dang 'quotes' and Go, Flip, Go!

 

[kipliq]

I joined the team with a PII 720 BE. Asus mb will not unlock the 4th core if you dont have a mod bios. I have the 720 running at 3.4 ghz on stock volts no issues. CNQ is working! My question I/m using HWmonitor and it reads 40 cpu but the cores read 32. This correct. I'm happy with my OC at 3/4 ghz, it was a huge jump from my 3800 x2. What is a good HS for me, I'm current on a AC Freezer 64 pro. I noticed the HS will not cover the entire proc, my guess it is not cooling the proc, correct?

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

New cooler installed, the X3 710 will clock to 3.5 @ 1.525v :shocked: :frown:

RAM and HT/NB underclocked to isolate CPU's capability.

Right now running at 3.4 @ 1.475v, RAM @ ~ 860, NB/HTT @ ~ 2100.

With fan near the lowest setting, very quiet, temps ~43C during OCCT.

 

[deimos3428]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
New cooler installed, the X3 710 will clock to 3.5 @ 1.525v :shocked: :frown:

RAM and HT/NB underclocked to isolate CPU's capability.

Right now running at 3.4 @ 1.475v, RAM @ ~ 860, NB/HTT @ ~ 2100.

With fan near the lowest setting, very quiet, temps ~43C during OCCT.

What are you using to view CPU temps after you unlock the X3? I can't get anything on OCCT and have resorted to extrapolation...

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: deimos3428

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
New cooler installed, the X3 710 will clock to 3.5 @ 1.525v :shocked: :frown:

RAM and HT/NB underclocked to isolate CPU's capability.

Right now running at 3.4 @ 1.475v, RAM @ ~ 860, NB/HTT @ ~ 2100.

With fan near the lowest setting, very quiet, temps ~43C during OCCT.

What are you using to view CPU temps after you unlock the X3? I can't get anything on OCCT and have resorted to extrapolation...

I'm using Everest, but I don't really trust temp reporting. It reports the "CPU Temp", but not the temps of the cores. Based on past experience with X2 CPU's, the core temps can be ~ 10C hotter than the CPU Temp.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Damn that's some hefty voltage. It's cool that you were able to push it that far, though. Good show.

Have you tried nixing the fourth core to see if it will go further as a tri-core? Granted, that might not be worth the trouble. . . .

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Damn that's some hefty voltage. It's cool that you were able to push it that far, though. Good show.

Have you tried nixing the fourth core to see if it will go further as a tri-core? Granted, that might not be worth the trouble. . . .

I tried with 3 cores, same result - 1.525v, 3.5 Ghz.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nice!! Shame you had to remove your big fan though. Maybe you can mount it on the outside (clunky, I know)..

I have found that EasyTune6, the o/c utility that came with this Gigabyte board, shows me at least the "CPU" temps if not individual core temps. At least it's something. Most say to add about 10C to the CPU temp. Running OCCT with PhII at 2800MHz and 4 cores gets me a CPU temp of 37C (so I guess it's about 47C).

I'm also in a cold garage right now and it's about 45F in here. The CPU idles at 10C (20C).

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Nice!! Shame you had to remove your big fan though. Maybe you can mount it on the outside (clunky, I know)..

I have found that EasyTune6, the o/c utility that came with this Gigabyte board, shows me at least the "CPU" temps if not individual core temps. At least it's something. Most say to add about 10C to the CPU temp. Running OCCT with PhII at 2800MHz and 4 cores gets me a CPU temp of 37C (so I guess it's about 47C).

I'm also in a cold garage right now and it's about 45F in here. The CPU idles at 10C (20C).

In a cold garage?! That's cheating! :laugh:

Hmm, I might have to think about mounting the big fan on the outside of the case...

 

[poohbear]

hmm. so 3.5 is the max? 1.525 is quite a bit to be feeding a 45nm cpu no? i'm reading they avg 3.6, so 3.5 is in that ballpark. thats almost a 1ghz overclock. good stuff.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Nice!! Shame you had to remove your big fan though. Maybe you can mount it on the outside (clunky, I know)..

I have found that EasyTune6, the o/c utility that came with this Gigabyte board, shows me at least the "CPU" temps if not individual core temps. At least it's something. Most say to add about 10C to the CPU temp. Running OCCT with PhII at 2800MHz and 4 cores gets me a CPU temp of 37C (so I guess it's about 47C).

I'm also in a cold garage right now and it's about 45F in here. The CPU idles at 10C (20C).

In a cold garage?! That's cheating! :laugh:

Hmm, I might have to think about mounting the big fan on the outside of the case...

Yup! Cheating. I'm guessing about 15C warmer in the main house. 60 to 65C ish with stock hsf under full load. I'm more interested in the quad core at this point than any o/c. I have Studio recording software that will utilize as many cores as I can throw at it. I currently use the Q6600 for this purpose, but the PhII will outpace it even at stock speed with the 4 cores enabled. Time for the Q6600 and mobo to go on sale.

 

[imported_flptrnkng]

Another Score!

AMD Phenom II
HDX710WFK3DGI
CACZC AC 0906BPMW

Ordered from Newegg on 03/10/2009, it shipped from their California warehouse (I sometimes get stuff from NJ).

Popped it into a Biostar 790GX, BIOS 1/13/09, set ACC to auto, bam: 4 cores.

Was running a Ripbot264 job on my Brisbane 2.3GHz that took about 12 hours. Putting in the 710 at stock 3 cores lowered the time to about 6 hours. Turning on the other core puts it at about 4.25 hours. Speed, sweet glorious speed.

Haven't overclocked yet; waiting for my HR-09U type 2 to arrive for the mosfets.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Congrats! And thank you for the info - I'll add it to the tracking thread. can't wait to see your OC'ing results.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

I tried with 3 cores, same result - 1.525v, 3.5 Ghz.

Interesting, and somewhat dismaying, but I shouldn't be surprised. I guess we should expect the same from the Phenom II X2s that are coming out - failed cores sucking up juice, putting out heat, and causing OCs to be the same as if all four were active. Or at least, that's what I would guess is happening.

Now what we really need is a head-to-head comparison of the 710 and 720 with an acceptable sample size. That would take too many chips for most enthusiasts to want to fund on their own.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

I tried with 3 cores, same result - 1.525v, 3.5 Ghz.

Interesting, and somewhat dismaying, but I shouldn't be surprised. I guess we should expect the same from the Phenom II X2s that are coming out - failed cores sucking up juice, putting out heat, and causing OCs to be the same as if all four were active. Or at least, that's what I would guess is happening.

Now what we really need is a head-to-head comparison of the 710 and 720 with an acceptable sample size. That would take too many chips for most enthusiasts to want to fund on their own.

I wonder if/how much juice the "failed" core sucks up, though. The X3 is a 95w part, whereas the X4 is a 125w part. I think I have another test to make...

 

[speedfreak]

lucky you guys! i have a 0904 bpmw batch, i can seen the 4 cores in the acc settings but can't see it in windows. will try other settings to do the trick.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

I tried with 3 cores, same result - 1.525v, 3.5 Ghz.

Interesting, and somewhat dismaying, but I shouldn't be surprised. I guess we should expect the same from the Phenom II X2s that are coming out - failed cores sucking up juice, putting out heat, and causing OCs to be the same as if all four were active. Or at least, that's what I would guess is happening.

Now what we really need is a head-to-head comparison of the 710 and 720 with an acceptable sample size. That would take too many chips for most enthusiasts to want to fund on their own.

I wonder if/how much juice the "failed" core sucks up, though. The X3 is a 95w part, whereas the X4 is a 125w part. I think I have another test to make...

Did a comparison test. CPU running @ 3.4 Ghz. Measured total system wattage (as indicated by my UPS) while running OCCT for 5 minutes.

4 cores active - 325w, 50C cpu temp
3 cores active - 299w, 48C cpu temp

With 4 cores active, Everest reports the CPU core 0-3 temps as 0C.
With 3 cores active, Everest reports the CPU core 0-3 temps as 44C.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: speedfreak
lucky you guys! i have a 0904 bpmw batch, i can seen the 4 cores in the acc settings but can't see it in windows. will try other settings to do the trick.

What motherboard are you using? Does AMD Overdrive see 4 cores?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle


Did a comparison test. CPU running @ 3.4 Ghz. Measured total system wattage (as indicated by my UPS) while running OCCT for 5 minutes.

4 cores active - 325w, 50C cpu temp
3 cores active - 299w, 48C cpu temp

With 4 cores active, Everest reports the CPU core 0-3 temps as 0C.
With 3 cores active, Everest reports the CPU core 0-3 temps as 44C.

Very interesting. I like how activating the fourth core hoses Everest's temperature report, heh heh.

So it's pulling 26w more from the wall with the fourth core active, which, depending on your PSU, probably means its sucking up around 20-21w of DC power.

What UPS do you use anyway? That sounds like a handy gadget to have around.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
What UPS do you use anyway? That sounds like a handy gadget to have around.

A couple of years ago I picked up 2 of these from Best Buy - they were on clearance. Like you say, it's pretty handy to have that info.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Nice. I might have to get one of those (or a similar product) . . . not sure how much I want anything branded Geek Squad but what the hey.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Nice. I might have to get one of those (or a similar product) . . . not sure how much I want anything branded Geek Squad but what the hey.

Yeah, that made me cringe a bit...

IIRC, I paid something like $88 for the pair, and so far they've worked when the power's gone out.

 

[nyker96]

I am curious, is the activated 4th core completely functional? i mean passes all burn tests? if that is so, then amd is in effect shipping x4 disabling one core and name it x3.

 

[imported_Redmist]

I got my X3 720 BE today,
set ACC to auto on my gigabyte MA790X-UD4P and no fourth core appears,
i checked task manager, latest versions of cpuz, coretemp, hardware monitor, and amd overdrive.
i have no batch number

I guess I wan't so lucky but this still blows my old X2 away,
I used the x2's stock cpu http://www.frostytech.com/arti...iew.cfm?articleID=1962
idle temps are 30C load is 37C,
plenty of room for OC'ing

 

[jrenna]

I have the AMD Phenom X3 710 with the Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-UD4H motherboard. When I set AAC to "auto" it recognized 4 cores in the BIOS and in Windows Vista Home Premium, however, my system did not seem stable at all. When I rebooted, I received an error message "EES is turned off. Please use EES application to turn it on again. Press any key to continue". Could not reboot any more after that except in safe mode. I set it back to 3 cores and system is fine. Is there something else I should be changing in the BIOS besides setting AAC to auto?

CPU Batch number is 0906.