I can finally make this thread.
Phoenix is indeed RDNA3. My advice to everyone: treat the old APU rumours as being out of date.
Phoenix is indeed RDNA3. My advice to everyone: treat the old APU rumours as being out of date.
Asus ROG ALLY looks pretty promising. Would It be a good replacement to my i5-9300H + GTX1650 + 24GB DDR4 + 1.5TB SSD? Probably not worth It.
Advantages:
1. CPU performance would see a massive improvement, at least ST +50% and MT +150%
2. very portable, small form factor, light
3. low power consumption
4. Compatible with Steam etc.
Disadvantages:
1. IGP won't see any significant improvement compared to GTX1650, but higher Vram allocation could help.
2. I honestly doubt It will have a long battery life during gaming, but this is not that important for me.
3. 16GB DDR5 + 512GB SSD, although MicroSD slot is available
4. No kickstand
5. Windows 11
6. Need to buy additional Dock for It to connect to monitor, keyboard etc.
I'd hope that SteamOS is installable on it and plenty Steam Deck optimizations also work on Phoenix.Disadvantages:
1. IGP won't see any significant improvement compared to GTX1650, but higher Vram allocation could help.
2. I honestly doubt It will have a long battery life during gaming, but this is not that important for me.
5. Windows 11
To be honest I'd have set the bar for "affordable" significantly lower than 1000$. But in that case RMB laptops are slowly getting there.That s not a relevant device for laptop like usage, my point is that such a device can be sold for 700$ then it s possible to make a laptop that s below 1000$.
Of course, this is not good for office work without a keyboard or touchpad and small screen, but It's very portable.That s not a relevant device for laptop like usage, my point is that such a device can be sold for 700$ then it s possible to make a laptop that s below 1000$.
Videocardz also mentioned some variant of Asus ROG ALLY has a weaker APU, 6C12T + 4CU. LinkThere's a hint that it's Phoenix2 which is inside one of ASUS ROG ALLY variant and called Ryzen Z1, a specialized/custom design.
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I think it's a reporting error. The s/w also reports the 8C/16T APU having 6 CU. Maybe they are reporting WGP instead of CU?Videocardz also mentioned some variant of Asus ROG ALLY has a weaker APU, 6C12T + 4CU. Link
I wonder who would want to buy that for a gaming handheld. It will be weaker than Steam Deck.
It's mentioned in that article, that's why I wrote 4 CU (2 WGP) and not just 2 CU (1 WGP).I think it's a reporting error. The s/w also reports the 8C/16T APU having 6 CU. Maybe they are reporting WGP instead of CU?
Yup, reread the article. Gimped! (Maybe to reduce the price on the base model? Pushing the customers who buy this model to buy the XPG mobile eGPU?)It's mentioned in that article, that's why I wrote 4 CU (2 WGP) and not just 2 CU (1 WGP).
Could still be good for emulators? Very strong CPU paired with a modest GPU. Seems a bit of an odd duck.Videocardz also mentioned some variant of Asus ROG ALLY has a weaker APU, 6C12T + 4CU. Link
I wonder who would want to buy that for a gaming handheld. It will be weaker than Steam Deck.
The Strix APU series would compete with up to RTX 4070 Max-Q GPU in their 40CU configuration. The RDNA3.5 GPU architecture would also be available with 32, 24 and 20 CU configurations, competing with 4060, 4050 and 3050 series of graphics from NVIDIA.
Wrong thread and a bit late...Fantasy rumor. Strix Zen 5 APU with up to 40 CUs:
AMD Ryzen 8000 "Zen5" APUs leak: Strix Halo with RDNA3.5 iGPU to compete with up to RTX 4070 Max-Q - VideoCardz.com
AMD Zen5 mobile lineup leaks out: Strix Point, Strix Halo/Starlak and Fire Range Moore’s Law is Dead has shared some new information on the upcoming AMD Zen5 architecture, possibly the first and biggest leak on the architecture thus far. In this case, we are getting some actual leak, so the...videocardz.com
Hence my bold text mentioning how there's loads of software (and the possible DDR5-5600 hardware) faults with this early preview. Not really worth basing much off of these numbers. We need post gold drivers/BIOS ones.Doesn't seem much faster than the 680M test he did with the 6800H. The only common game with the same settings in the two videos is Fortnite, and even though the map is different, the 780M and 680M deliver similar FPS.
Seem the common denominator is DDR5 to me, but I may be wrong.Ryzen chips in laptops and affordable don't fit together in one sentence anymore since Rembrandt/Zen 3+.
Videocardz also mentioned some variant of Asus ROG ALLY has a weaker APU, 6C12T + 4CU. Link
I wonder who would want to buy that for a gaming handheld. It will be weaker than Steam Deck.
Yep. It's pretty obvious 6 core Phoenix/Ryzen Z1 are based around R5 7640U/HS, which have 8CUs not 4 (2 more than 6-core Rembrandt/Rembrandt-R)I think it's a reporting error. The s/w also reports the 8C/16T APU having 6 CU. Maybe they are reporting WGP instead of CU?
Wrong threat indeed but there is a component that is valid to this thread, there may be a Phoenix refresh or successor coming Q1 next year, and surprisingly it's not called Phoenix-R, it's called Hawk Point, implying bigger changes than just clock refinement. Obviously still based on Zen4 and standard RDNA3.Fantasy rumor. Strix Zen 5 APU with up to 40 CUs:
AMD Ryzen 8000 "Zen5" APUs leak: Strix Halo with RDNA3.5 iGPU to compete with up to RTX 4070 Max-Q - VideoCardz.com
AMD Zen5 mobile lineup leaks out: Strix Point, Strix Halo/Starlak and Fire Range Moore’s Law is Dead has shared some new information on the upcoming AMD Zen5 architecture, possibly the first and biggest leak on the architecture thus far. In this case, we are getting some actual leak, so the...videocardz.com
Geekbench shows only 2 compute units, in this case It's most likely WGPs. That would mean only 4CU and not 8, which R5 7640HS has.Yep. It's pretty obvious 6 core Phoenix/Ryzen Z1 are based around R5 7640U/HS, which have 8CUs not 4 (2 more than 6-core Rembrandt/Rembrandt-R)
We got burned with basing data on what GB says before. It does not have a authoritative hardware detection system, particularly on yet-to-be-released hardware. And it's just one data point anyway.Geekbench shows only 2 compute units. Even If that's actually WGP, that would still mean only 4CU and not 8, which R5 7640HS has.
Yeah, laptops with Mendocino and ADL-N are also quite expensive for what they offer. But shouldn't (LP)DDR5 be falling in price by now?Seem the common denominator is DDR5 to me, but I may be wrong.
Geekbench shows only 2 compute units. Even If that's actually WGP, that would still mean only 4CU and not 8, which R5 7640HS has.
4, PHX2 has 4 compute units. But 2 WGPs, tho Geekbench does not report WGPs AFAIK.Isn't that what PHX2 has?
AMD gets official about Phoenix for handhelds:
AMD announces Ryzen Z1 Zen4 APUs for handheld gaming consoles with up to 12 RDNA3 GPU cores - VideoCardz.com
AMD Introduces Ryzen™ Z1 Series Processors, Expanding the “Zen 4” Lineup into Handheld Game Consoles AMD Ryzen Z1 and AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme processors bring ultimate portability and battery life to handheld PC gaming consoles SANTA CLARA, Calif., April 25, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Today, AMD...videocardz.com
Too bad they reduced the GPU so much on the basic one. Hope eventual 6-core DIY chips get bigger GPU than that.