I can finally make this thread.
Phoenix is indeed RDNA3. My advice to everyone: treat the old APU rumours as being out of date.
Phoenix is indeed RDNA3. My advice to everyone: treat the old APU rumours as being out of date.
You can also see that the distant landscape is stuttering when he pans the camera at 8:12. Even if we disagree on the frame rates in RDR2, you must agree that there is no way he can get those numbers in Forza Horizon 5 at 25 W package power, given what he showed in his 7940HS test.I see 60+ FPS.
You can see it for yourself by using . and , buttons while youtube video is paused. Those allow you to go frame-by-frame in any youtube video. And in this 1080p60fps youtube video, when the character is moving, each youtube frame shows a diferent frame on the device, meaning it's at least matches youtube FPS (60).
It simply can't be 20 or 30 FPS, otherwise we'd see repeated frames in the video.
The top model Radeon 780M, which has 12 cores (768 shaders) and a maximum clock rate of 2.7 GHz, is put to use in the Ryzen 9 and Ryzen 7 CPUs (originally 2.8 GHz, but according to AMD it is now a maximum of 2.7 GHz).
We also recently heard from AMD that the 780M's maximum clock rate will lie at 2,700 MHz and not 2,800 MHz like our test device. As soon as we receive further test devices, we will update this article.
AMD have since announced that the Radeon 780M's maximum clock rate will be 2.7 GHz instead of 2.8 GHz (like in our test device), the increased performance might prove to be a struggle, even when using faster RAM.
Wait, did I miss something? HS is no longer 35W?It doesn't. TDP is meaningless. Both H and HS CPUs are configured to run at 60-70 W boost.
Existing inventory? So basically Rembrandt?
Wait, did I miss something? HS is no longer 35W?
It newer was limited to just 35W.Wait, did I miss something? HS is no longer 35W?
AMD lowered the 780M clock speed from 2800 Mhz to 2700 Mhz on Phoenix?
The Asus device tested by NBC is configured at 80W PL1/PL2, at this inflated power it still quite efficient, thanks to 4nm, in respect of Intel s equivalent offering, beside it s possible that the dGPu require more throughput than what is available at 35/45W.7940HS is specified with 35-54W on AMD.com. I don't know if they can boost higher though.
Case and point, ETA Prime has a review of a (7840U) 780M w/ LPDDR5X (synthetics @35W):AFAIK Phoenix also supports LPDDR5X-7500, some announced handhelds seemingly come with it, no idea on ultraportable laptops yet tho.
Judging by the frametime graph in those tests, which look way more spiky than 680M/RDNA2's.... 780M/iGPU RDNA3 is clearly still on early drivers in all these tests.
Also NBC's review is laughable. Only interesting tidbit is the Port Royal test (hybrid/ray tracing), where it's over 50% faster than last gen.
Seem the wait for fully fleshed out drivers and reviews of Phoenix IGP is still ongoing.
Here's 680M w/ DDR5-4800 vs LPDDR5-6400:
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And we're supposed to believe it matters LESS for 780M, when it's not even using natively supported 5600 in all of these so called reviews, let alone LPDDR5 or 5X. lol
No.AMD lowered the 780M clock speed from 2800 Mhz to 2700 Mhz on Phoenix?
AMD Radeon 780M iGPU analysis - AMD's new RDNA-3 GPU takes on its competitors
Last year's Radeon 680M was much faster than Intel's iGPU and AMD are looking to further extend this lead with the release of their new Radeon 780M. We have received our first device equipped with the new 780M and have put it through a variety of benchmarks - can these high expectations be met?www.notebookcheck.net
That's Red Dead Redemption 1(one)... on PS3... on PC through RPCS3 emulator...Here's another reviewer testing the 7840U on the GPD Win Max 2. It's just RPCS3 PS3 emulation testing. He gets different FPS on RDR2, so something is really not right on ETA Prime's review.
My bad . @SteinFG already brought that to my noticeThat's Red Dead Redemption 1(one)... on PS3... on PC through RPCS3 emulator...
...where you on some funny stuff when you wrote that?
I like how one low-key troll (usual suspect) placed a seed of doubt and now everyone is talking about how ETA Prime is or isn't some fake ass AMD shill or idiot who doesn't know what he's doing lmao
No.
7940H/HS are 2,8GHz (there is no "U" SKU for this tier), 7840H/HS/U are 2,7GHz. Not sure about the Z1 Extreme tho.
Yes. The post-pandemic slowdown caught AMD, NVIDIA and Intel by surprise. Between ethereum changing to PoS and interest rates soaring, sales dropped faster than these companies could adapt.
ETA Prime has a million subscribers on YT and all he does is repeat catchphrases while putting out zero side by side analyses or talking in depth about the product in question.I like how one low-key troll (usual suspect) placed a seed of doubt and now everyone is talking about how ETA Prime is or isn't some fake ass AMD shill or idiot who doesn't know what he's doing lmao
ETA Prime has a million subscribers on YT and all he does is repeat catchphrases while putting out zero side by side analyses or talking in depth about the product in question.
If I'm a troll, then you must be an AMD stan. If you believe that Forza Horizon 5 FPS at 70+ W is the same as FPS at 25 W but with faster memory, then frankly speaking you're delusional.
From the same channel you linked, with 680M:
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33% more memory bandwith for 3 FPS more.
Tell me what mythical ingredient RDNA3 has that it's gonna surpass that same deficit.
I'm waiting for your technical breakdown, o enlightened one.
...which doesn't work (in most cases). And you claim yourself an expert.Dear troll we re talking of the 780M wich is clocked way higher than the 680M and is much more RAM bandwith constrained, beside RDN3 has higher flops/clock thanks to dual issue, at some point this will make a big difference.
...which doesn't work (in most cases). And you claim yourself an expert.
That sounds like a configuration issue. My Cezanne laptop does not exceed 45W.It newer was limited to just 35W.
Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 with 6900HS is 125W sustained in Turbo mode.
If this is the case then there is a severe tdp bottleneck, with 12CU it should perform AT LEAST like a RX 6400 if there are no bottlenecks if the gpu clock is around 2300mhz. And the RX6400 trades blows with the GTX1650.From the same channel you linked, with 680M:
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33% more memory bandwith for 3 FPS more.
Tell me what mythical ingredient RDNA3 has that it's gonna surpass that same deficit.
I'm waiting for your technical breakdown, o enlightened one.
If this is the case then there is a severe tdp bottleneck, with 12CU it should perform AT LEAST like a RX 6400 if there are no bottlenecks if the gpu clock is around 2300mhz. And the RX6400 trades blows with the GTX1650.
Considering it is a RDNA3 this this should already be matching a rx570 at the very minimum so no idea of what is going wrong here.
Regardless, i trust that youtuber, he has no reason to lie, and unless something is really really wrong there is no way RDR2 is running at 20fps at 1080p low, even a RX560 can get you consistent +40fps at 1080p low. Hell, even a 5700G can get you around 30.
A dGPU has all of its TDP available at full power. An iGPU has only a part of the TDP available to it. In fact CPU cores consume more of the package power than the iGPU does, even with a full 3D load.If this is the case then there is a severe tdp bottleneck, with 12CU it should perform AT LEAST like a RX 6400 if there are no bottlenecks if the gpu clock is around 2300mhz. And the RX6400 trades blows with the GTX1650.
A dGPU has all of its TDP available at full power. An iGPU has only a part of the TDP available to it. In fact CPU cores consume more of the package power than the iGPU does, even with a full 3D load.