AMD Plans Extremely Rapid Transition to New Micro-Architectures, Process Technology.

[nyker96]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...w_Micro_Architectures_Process_Technology.html

 

[drizek]

All Bulldozers are going to be called FX?

Are they going to be priced like FX?

 

[gevorg]

Then why the rats are jumping ship?

 

[God Mode]

Samsung should buy out AMD and concentrate on more mobile platforms.

 

[jihe]

I wish they would stop the trash talk and just get the product out.

 

[dakU7]

What trash talk? AMD is completely silent regarding Bulldozer. Even Jeff here chooses his words carefully when it comes to AMD's new platform.

 

[BD231]

Makes sense, they don't have the capacity to be producing multiple process's and they probably sense they're not going to sell a $150/$200 dollar part that gets its ass handed to it by the competition at nearly the same price point.

Bad news for AM3 owners though, Thuban's/Phenom II's will probably not be getting any cheaper.

 

[IntelUser2000]

AMD was always really fast in transitioning to the new microarchitecture based CPUs.

 

[Fox5]

Sounds like Llano is expected to be the majority of the market for AMD. They better hope it clocks high or it'll get eaten alive by the i3s!

 

[LoneNinja]

Sounds like Llano is expected to be the majority of the market for AMD. They better hope it clocks high or it'll get eaten alive by the i3s!

Probably end up like current I3/Athlon II comparisons, I3 is superior single threaded and Athlon II X4 is better for multithreaded software.

 

[wuliheron]

With AMD's track record it just makes sense. Although they can surprise Intel every now and then with a new architecture it doesn't take long before they get their hats handed back to them. Best to capitalize on their new chips while they're still hot and before Intel rushes out their 22nm processors.

 

[Rhezuss]

Bad news for AM3 owners though, Thuban's/Phenom II's will probably not be getting any cheaper.

Then i'm glad I bought a P2 955 BE last friday for under 135CAD...
Gonna stay on AM3 for a bit longer I guess.

 

[Idontcare]

Not just rapid, but extremely rapid no less!

Hyperbole...its what's fer dinner

They are only serving ~20% of the market, makes it a lot easier for them to make a transition versus managing a similar phase-out and transition if it needed to involve 4x the product volumes as these things do with Intel.

That's where the oft quoted "faster nimbler" phrase stems in management (stems from ships in origin), when you are smaller, serving a smaller market share, you have no excuse for not being able to expedite product transitions faster and better than your significantly larger competitors who are operating well past the knee of the diminishing returns curve for management synergies.

 

[SickBeast]

I think it's too early to call AM3 a dead platform and say that the CPU prices are going to skyrocket. TBH the X6 Thubans are still overpriced, even at $175. I wouldn't buy one unless it cost ~$100.

AMD might have a new AM3 CPU up their sleeves; you never know.

 

[f4phantom2500]

am i missing something here? how is this 'rapid' and 'ambitious'? don't get me wrong, i've been using nothing but amd since my athlon xp 2500...but i've been hearing about bulldozer etc etc for years now, and they're talking about one *more* year? how is this rapid and ambitious??? i assume (hope) that they mean that bulldozer will start being sold soon, but that the entire transition of their lineup will be complete by q2 2012.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

32nm.. so what? All that matters is if they can outperform Intel. Would actually be pretty great if they did, but unfortunetly things aren't looking too promising.

 

[OCGuy]

Seems like AMD is talking a little too much recently. Usually when they have something to be proud of, they are quite silent. (See: 4XXX on the GPU side).

 

[badb0y]

Seems like AMD is talking a little too much recently. Usually when they have something to be proud of, they are quite silent. (See: 4XXX on the GPU side).

What are you smoking? Anyone remember this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2679/3

They were not quiet lol.

 

[IntelUser2000]

don't get me wrong, i've been using nothing but amd since my athlon xp 2500...but i've been hearing about bulldozer etc etc for years now, and they're talking about one *more* year? how is this rapid and ambitious???

What's rapid is not the timeframe of how long it takes them to introduce a new CPU architecture, but rather how fast they migrate everything they sell into the new ones. Kinda wanted to say what Idontcare just said, thanks.

 

[BLaber]

At the end of the article is says AMD refused to comment.

Ni ether the person they quoting is related to AMD and says he is expert on such matters.

BANANA LOL

People jumping to conclusion too fast.

 

[mb103051]

they really dont have to beat the pants off intel, just have something that is close or equall in performance...me as an amd fan would probubly buy an amd setup if it was close to what intel offers...dont get me wrong as i love my x58 rig but amd offered nothing close in performance at the time of my build 14 mo ago...
nothing would make me happier than to build a new system later this year with an x4 BD that competes on par with intels offerings...
As a miami dolphins fan im used to rooting for the underdog...dolphins are like amd, always trying to keep up but every once in a while there a winner...lol

 

[Concillian]

Probably end up like current I3/Athlon II comparisons, I3 is superior single threaded and Athlon II X4 is better for multithreaded software.

The SB based i3 performs really, really close to the Athlon II x4 in multithreaded apps:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/188?vs=289

If Intel didn't lock out overclocking for the SB i3's it would be a solid choice over most AMDs.

AMD is WAY behind in IPC. I wish it weren't so there would be some actual competition, but unfortunately, it's pretty much just a fact. It's to the point where Intel duals are reasonably competitive with AMD quads clock for clock... That's bad.

Llano may improve some, but don't expect miracles. Maybe a little extra OC headroom from 32nm and a single digit percent IPC improvement. I think Llano stands to gain a fair bit of market just from likely being a significantly better GPU side than SB and I am assuming better drivers and implementation.

 

[Concillian]

What are you smoking? Anyone remember this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2679/3

They were not quiet lol.

They weren't quiet about Zacate either.

I don't have high expectations from Bulldozer. It sounds like it will still severely lag in IPC and they will continue to try to compete with more cores, which I would do too if I were in their shoes. The alternative is not to compete at all.

 

[LoneNinja]

The SB based i3 performs really, really close to the Athlon II x4 in multithreaded apps:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/188?vs=289

If Intel didn't lock out overclocking for the SB i3's it would be a solid choice over most AMDs.

AMD is WAY behind in IPC. I wish it weren't so there would be some actual competition, but unfortunately, it's pretty much just a fact. It's to the point where Intel duals are reasonably competitive with AMD quads clock for clock... That's bad.

Llano may improve some, but don't expect miracles. Maybe a little extra OC headroom from 32nm and a single digit percent IPC improvement. I think Llano stands to gain a fair bit of market just from likely being a significantly better GPU side than SB and I am assuming better drivers and implementation.

OUCH!!!! That was my first time seeing SB based core I3 benchmarks. Llano won't be a big improvement, I know it's still K10 based, but it should perform better than Athlon II given that it has more cache. It's own version of turbo core should help too, but there is no way it will come close to filling that gap in IPC and single threaded performance.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

talking about benchmarks

this is a multithreaded benchmark

http://ppbm5.com/Benchmark5.html

I7 2600k OC to 4.7 getting beaten by the I7 920
I7 860 edging out its replacement running at the same speed

^Those are not cherry picked CPUs like the ones seen in reviews. Thats all retail chips of real life performance PCs.

Clearly the 2600k bandwith limitation holding it back. Its only saved by a huge OC