AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[LTC8K6]

Take the 950, sans power connector, for instance & it can draw more than 75W just from the pcie slot.

I'm sure you can find others, that go over spec for the pcie slot &/or 6|8 pins.
Not saying a particular GPU, or AIB model, does that but it's very much possible & plausible.

I would think 79 vs 75 is simply within the error bars of the power supply system and the measurements, and not an indication that you can expect to draw much more than 75 watts from a PCI-E slot.


Here is what the reviewers said:

During gaming, we see power consumption hover almost exactly around the 75 W mark, which is the maximum power draw from a PCI-Express slot. Since the card has no additional power connectors, this is the ideal result - close to 75 W but not significantly more.

 

[RussianSensation]

There's not overclocking very much and then there's only overclocking by 5-7%. Even for a reference card that's pretty crappy.

When early 7970 reviews came out, most couldn't get past 1125mhz due to an artificial lock. It required unofficial MSI AB unlock limits. Also, we don't know what overvolt was applied, if any.

Besides, even if a $239 480 has 0% overclocking headroom, it's still by far a better deal for the target market than a $410-420 1070 is. There is no way 1070 will be 70-75% faster than a 480. On price/performance, 1070 already lost. How many 1080p 60Hz gamers even have a 4770/4790/6700K OC? The slower the CPU, the less the delta will be in favour of the 1070 due to severe CPU bottlenecks that exist at 1080p gaming.

Also, while the hype is on the 480, if 470 4GB costs $149 and it has 2048 SPs, mild overclocking should bring it to 85-90% of 480's performance. An even better deal for mainstream gamers. NV will need 1050/1060 to compete. Right now their PR/viral marketers are just purposely positioning 1070 (while completely ignoring CPU bottlenecks and price) against the 480 because that's all NV has.

 

[krumme]

When early 7970 reviews came out, most couldn't get past 1125mhz due to an artificial lock. It required unofficial MSI AB unlock limits. Also, we don't know what overvolt was applied, if any.

Besides, even if a $239 480 has 0% overclocking headroom, it's still by far a better deal for the target market than a $410-420 1070. There is no way 1070 will be 70-75% faster than a 480. On price/performance, 1070 already lost. How many 1080p 60Hz gamers even have a 4770/4790/6700K OC? The slower the CPU, the less the delta will be in favour of the 1070 due to severe CPU bottlenecks that exist at 1080p gaming.

Also, while the hype is on the 480, if 470 4GB costs $149 and it has 2048 SPs, mild overclocking should bring it to 85-90% of 480's performance. An even better deal for mainstream gamers. NV will need 1050/1060 to compete. Right now their PR/viral marketers are just purposely positioning 1070 (while completely ignoring CPU bottlenecks and price) against the 480 because that's all NV has.

If amds claim there will be aib 300usd version there is no way around more performance. And well for the aib 6 plus 8 to give any sense.

Its pretty much a given, the question is to what extend. If all aib 480x hits a 1400 cieling its a damn shame imo. We want that oc crazy stuff to man up ! Lol

 

[realibrad]

If amds claim there will be aib 300usd version there is no way around more performance. And well for the aib 6 plus 8 to give any sense.

Its pretty much a given, the question is to what extend. If all aib 480x hits a 1400 cieling its a damn shame imo. We want that oc crazy stuff to man up ! Lol

Dont expect to be able to do more OC than 28nm. As we get smaller nodes, OC goes down.

 

[antihelten]

When early 7970 reviews came out, most couldn't get past 1125mhz due to an artificial lock. It required unofficial MSI AB unlock limits. Also, we don't know what overvolt was applied, if any.

It's certainly possible that there could be any number of reasons for the poor overclocking that doesn't have anything to do with the GPU itself. Hopefully this turns out to be the case, and we will see better overclocking once those issues are dealt (be they locks in the software, or insufficient power delivery from a 6 pin connector).

Besides, even if a $239 480 has 0% overclocking headroom, it's still by far a better deal for the target market than a $410-420 1070 is. There is no way 1070 will be 70-75% faster than a 480. On price/performance, 1070 already lost. How many 1080p 60Hz gamers even have a 4770/4790/6700K OC? The slower the CPU, the less the delta will be in favour of the 1070 due to severe CPU bottlenecks that exist at 1080p gaming.

Well, I don't think there's really a great deal of cross shopping at those price points in the first place, but even so the 480 clearly has better perf/$ assuming that it ends up at 390X performance.

On the other hand if the 480 only matches a 390 and the 1070 manages to hit it's MSRP ($380) around the time of the 480 launch, then things would look quite different. At that point the 1070 would be ~50% faster whilst costing ~60% more. Taking into account that perf/$ almost always goes down a little as you go up in tier, and this isn't really a bad matchup for the 1070.

I guess we will have to see where the RX 480 lands.

Also, while the hype is on the 480, if 470 4GB costs $149 and it has 2048 SPs, mild overclocking should bring it to 85-90% of 480's performance. An even better deal for mainstream gamers. NV will need 1050/1060 to compete. Right now their PR/viral marketers are just purposely positioning 1070 (while completely ignoring CPU bottlenecks and price) against the 480 because that's all NV has.

I definitely agree that the 470 has the potential to be a bit of a sleeper hit, although it's worth noting that some rumors put it at 1792 SPs.

If amds claim there will be aib 300usd version there is no way around more performance. And well for the aib 6 plus 8 to give any sense.

Its pretty much a given, the question is to what extend. If all aib 480x hits a 1400 cieling its a damn shame imo. We want that oc crazy stuff to man up ! Lol

If Polaris 10 can only hit 1400 MHz even with better power delivery and whatnot (assuming that this is the bottleneck), then I really don't see how AIB partners would be able to get away with a $300 price point (1400 MHz is only about 10% over stock).

So hopefully Lisa Su's comment about hitting $300 is indicative of Polaris being capable of more than 1400 MHz, but who knows.

 

[krumme]

Dont expect to be able to do more OC than 28nm. As we get smaller nodes, OC goes down.

Yeaa i know but dont remind me. As i wrote a few post back the voltage freq scope is smaller for finfit. But oc is a great part of enthusiasm.

I remember oc my 386sx by soldering a new xo to the motherboard. Lol.

 

[krumme]

A 75w low clock 470 4g would be great if any aib made it btw.

 

[TeknoBug]

The versions you are looking at are probably 8GB versions (at least it seems like this is the case for most vendors out there).

The 8GB version would be about $240 (based on the newegg prices), which is equivalent to $305 CAD. Add 13% sales tax on top of this and you get $345 CAD. So no $370 is not really a massive ripoff, it's only 7% above the expected price, which is actually quite low for early pre-launch listings like these.



Comparisons to a GTX 970 isn't terribly interesting since Nvidia tends to do better in Witcher 3, especially with HairWorks on.

The more interesting question is how a 390/390X does at those settings.

$370 BEFORE taxes, mind you. That'd come to $418.

The listings I found has been removed, the prices were probably badly estimated.

 

[antihelten]

$370 BEFORE taxes, mind you. That'd come to $418.

The listings I found has been removed, the prices were probably badly estimated.

I assumed that the price was with tax, since most e-tailers tend to do so in my experience, but then again I'm not from Canada, so I have no idea what they do there.

 

[krumme]

Detailed look at Crimson's new OC built in tool. Custom voltage for a range of power states along with custom fan curves.

Fan is very low RPM.

A pair of RX 480 in CF:

Man i would like that rpm to go below 500 rpm at idle or perhaps even stop. Is it possible?. I can not tell from the pics on the controlpanel...

Not that those 776 rpm is going to blow off your hat but still...

 

[Yakk]

$230usd is approx $305 CAD + import tariffs + transport + tax.

Yeah Canada is expensive.

 

[Bryf50]

 

[therealnickdanger]

So if I had to summarize all 134 pages of this thread so far, it would be:

1. Stock 480 to be ~390 perf (maybe up to 390X in some scenarios) for $199-230
2. AIB 480 to be ~390X perf (maybe up to Fury in some scenarios) for $230-250
3. June 29th availability - high

As of right now, 390s are selling for around $250 brand new and 390Xs are around $300. With the 970 selling for around $275-300 and the 906 selling for around $160-200, I'm not sure the 480 will make the big splash everyone is expecting. Obviously other benefits include DP1.4/HDMI2.0/HEVC, etc.

Unless AIB OC models actually get close to the Fury/980/Ti, it seems like the pricing has already dropped to accommodate the 480. I'm sure that the 970 and 960 will be slashed pretty heavily, though.

 

[antihelten]

So if I had to summarize all 134 pages of this thread so far, it would be:

1. Stock 480 to be ~390 perf (maybe up to 390X in some scenarios) for $199-230
2. AIB 480 to be ~390X perf (maybe up to Fury in some scenarios) for $230-250
3. June 29th availability - high

I would say that a more accurate summation would be:

1. Stock 480 to be ~390X perf with possibly crappy overclockability for $199-250 (the XFX reference card on Newegg was $250, although that included a backplate).
2. AIB 480 to be between 390X and Fury perf (depending on factory overclock), with decent to good overclockability (depending on how much headroom the factory overclock leaves) for $250-300.
3. June 29th availability - high.

It is certainly possible that the stock 480 only performs at 390 level, but most rumors and speculation in this thread would seem to peg it at 390X level, as far as I can tell.

 

[krumme]

Thanx. 112.8w usage at 94% gpu load at stock clock. Is there more to it?

 

[SSBrain]

~110W might be hitting the default (0%) power limit. I remember others reporting about a similar power consumption.

 

[krumme]

Do we have any baffin p11 leaks or statements for clock as that is surely what we can get from p10. Eg where does the 1400MHz rumour comes from?
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2849/radeon-rx-460

 

[PeckingOrder]

I assume that screenshot isn't yours.

but if it happens to be yours, can you Furmark the [redacted] out of the card?


Profanity isn't allowed in VC&G

-Elfear

 

[agfkfhahddhdn]

It is absolutely fascinating to watch the hype and pessimism ebb and flow as each 480 leak is revealed.

 

[Maverick177]

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/amd-catalyst-15-7-driver-download.html

You're welcome.

The link eventually redirects to AMD's webpage.

 

[crisium]

It is absolutely fascinating to watch the hype and pessimism ebb and flow as each 480 leak is revealed.

We need some catfood bets to really make it fascinating.

 

[Yakk]

What was wrong with that card? Legitimate question.

The Devil 13 is probably the most extreme specialty card currently being made.

The last Devil 13 290x & 390 cards probably weighed over 3KG (had a separate support post), a 15-phase voltage regulator, and four 8-pin PCIe power connectors to feed it 600+ 75 watts of power. All cooled by air only.

Certainly not for the average user.

2x RX480 GPUs would be nowhere near that kind of power requirement... Except...Maybe... if they stick 4 GPUs on one card! :awe:

 

[zentan]

So if I had to summarize all 134 pages of this thread so far, it would be:

1. Stock 480 to be ~390 perf (maybe up to 390X in some scenarios) for $199-230
2. AIB 480 to be ~390X perf (maybe up to Fury in some scenarios) for $230-250
3. June 29th availability - high

As of right now, 390s are selling for around $250 brand new and 390Xs are around $300. With the 970 selling for around $275-300 and the 906 selling for around $160-200, I'm not sure the 480 will make the big splash everyone is expecting. Obviously other benefits include DP1.4/HDMI2.0/HEVC, etc.

Unless AIB OC models actually get close to the Fury/980/Ti, it seems like the pricing has already dropped to accommodate the 480. I'm sure that the 970 and 960 will be slashed pretty heavily, though.

While we don't know the exact performance yet but even if it is just ~390-390x level as soon as the 230$ RX 480 is available I think most others (hawaii and 970) would mostly be irrelevant from a new buyer's perspective,be it VRAM (8G vs 3.5 effective),power consumption,ports or some better features.
Also AMD should release rx470 as soon as possible as it could be even better value for most buyers. Effectively they would have no competition until gp106 drops off(and is competitive at comparable by price/perf and other metrics).

 

[krumme]

We need some catfood bets to really make it fascinating.

I am not going to eat catfood ffs But the hiding behind a mask is weak ass sauce.

My guess is all 6 plus 8 pins aib (95%) is 1400 plus off the bat and 90% 480x sold will be below 250usd.
90% good brand aib will hit 1500 plus with voltage oc. Tdp...who cares. Less than oc 970 anyway.

 

[therealnickdanger]

While we don't know the exact performance yet but even if it is just ~390-390x level as soon as the 230$ RX 480 is available I think most others (hawaii and 970) would mostly be irrelevant from a new buyer's perspective,be it VRAM (8G vs 3.5 effective),power consumption,ports or some better features.
Also AMD should release rx470 as soon as possible as it could be even better value for most buyers. Effectively they would have no competition until gp106 drops off(and is competitive at comparable by price/perf and other metrics).

If it is truly superior to the 390/X/980/970 across the bulk of games and can stay under $250, then for SURE I can see it being recommendation number uno for any new buyer. Hawaii is a compute beast, however, so people with mixed use will probably stock up on discounted Hawaii instead. We have to accept the fact that existing hardware has been refined and polished to an extent that anyone expecting stock 480 v. stock comparisons with day 1 drivers will probably be disenchanted, probably even OC 480 v. OC comparisons.

I kind of want to not visit any tech websites until August. LOL