AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[sze5003]

1070 is ~ 2X faster than the 280X/7970Ghz.
-> $420 / 100% increase in performance = $4.20 per 1% increase upgrade

RX 480 ~ 390X is 49% faster than 280X/7970Ghz.
-> $240 / 49% increase = $4.90 per each 1% increase

If you look at it like that, 1070 is a better upgrade for you if the intention is to keep the card for 3-4 years and esp. if you want to upgrade to 1440p this year. Vega may not be out until late Q1 2017.

You also mentioned that you will pass your 7970Ghz to your brother. That means when it comes time to upgrade the 1070, you can pass that card to him too, in turn making his upgrade from 7970Ghz to 1070 bigger too. If I had a little brother that I passed on my GPU, I'd get the 1070.

It all depends if I want to get a new monitor by the end of the summer too. But the value of the 480 seems just too good to pass up. Can't wait for the reviews.

 

[Unoid]

Meh, I really don't have anything riding on the success of this card. If it's good enough, I'll buy it. If it's not, I'll buy the 1070. The 1070 is more expensive but it'll probably last a bit longer. I try not to think about any of that though because it's so much more fun to get riled about about baseless speculation.

Last longer? You should read up on how AMD's cards continue to improve generations later and end up outlasting nvidia.

 

[Yakk]

If history repeats itself, the 1070 will get progressively slower as time moves on. nVidia has no interest in updating drivers for older cards.

With DX12 & Vulkan, it won't just be the drivers. If nvidia slows down optimizations on previous generation products like in the past, then they may also suffer in new games even more.

 

[maddie]

It might only be drawing 110W at stock clock speeds and voltage, but it might also be the case that it doesn't have much OC room without increasing the voltage, but also the case that the chip is already close to the voltage limit as well.

If that's the case you end up with a chip that draws low power, but neither has much room for an overclock or an overvolt. Presumably, there are going to be some chips that can hit the stock clock speeds at lower voltage levels, so those are going into the bin that gets used for the alleged $300 AIB cards.

It could be a case of something that gets better as the process matures at GF or one where Polaris should have been a bigger chip given the limitations of the process.

Do these two statements even make sense in the same paragraph?

A high voltage chip of this performance level and also drawing only 110W. Seems contradictory.

 

[lukart]

The Devil 13 is probably the most extreme specialty card currently being made.

The last Devil 13 290x & 390 cards probably weighed over 3KG (had a separate support post), a 15-phase voltage regulator, and four 8-pin PCIe power connectors to feed it 600+ 75 watts of power. All cooled by air only.

Certainly not for the average user.

2x RX480 GPUs would be nowhere near that kind of power requirement... Except...Maybe... if they stick 4 GPUs on one card! :awe:

My thoughts exactly. I wonder if PowerColor if uses a Dual 470 2x4Gb if that would match or beat 1070?

Because if the 480 stock performs around 970, and 2x970 SLI cannot beat one 1070, Im guessing its pointless to make one.

Also looks like these GPUs dont overclock that much, 100Mhz max on stock voltages is what Im hearing.

 

[krumme]

1070 is ~ 2X faster than the 280X/7970Ghz.
-> $420 / 100% increase in performance = $4.20 per 1% increase upgrade

RX 480 ~ 390X is 49% faster than 280X/7970Ghz.
-> $240 / 49% increase = $4.90 per each 1% increase

If you look at it like that, 1070 is a better upgrade for you if the intention is to keep the card for 3-4 years and esp. if you want to upgrade to 1440p this year. Vega may not be out until late Q1 2017.

You also mentioned that you will pass your 7970Ghz to your brother. That means when it comes time to upgrade the 1070, you can pass that card to him too, in turn making his upgrade from 7970Ghz to 1070 bigger too. If I had a little brother that I passed on my GPU, I'd get the 1070.

Gfx is hardly and investment but If you do calculations with cost vs perf like that you would normally not depreciate the 280x 7970 to zero but set it at second hand resell value.

Its all a backwards way to upgrade though imo. I think the way is to first ask: What is the perf target i want? How much perf % increase is needed? And go from the goal there and see if things fit and then go back and forth.

 

[maddie]

My thoughts exactly. I wonder if PowerColor if uses a Dual 470 2x4Gb if that would match or beat 1070?

Because if the 480 stock performs around 970, and 2x970 SLI cannot beat one 1070, Im guessing its pointless to make one.

Also looks like these GPUs dont overclock that much, 100Mhz max on stock voltages is what Im hearing.

If it appears that the RX480 is around 390, then just use the 295X2 results for XFire performance levels. TPU has a large # of games with this data.

I think the low overclock on stock volts is intrinsic to some of the power saving techniques used in Polaris.

 

[Sweepr]

Japan:

The day it is scheduled to RX 480 GDDR5 8GB model from multiple manufacturers to be released, price is about 35,000 yen - 38,000 yen including tax ($345-375). There is a talk of about 1,500 units for the Japanese market.

Radeon RX 480 (custom) mid July or later
Radeon RX 470 late July
Radeon RX 460 early August

www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2016/0625/167934

 

[therealnickdanger]

So... can we switch gears to discussing 470/460?

Rumor is that the 460 2GB will sell for just $99, 4GB $119. 470 4GB $149, 8GB $179.

So... a $99 Polaris GPU, assuming it has all the same decode/encode features and display support... are we thinking "ultimate HTPC card"?

I really hope they decide to go half-height, short length with this one. Passive likely?

 

[kraatus77]

Darkweb:

custom cards will release 2 years later. and will cost 6969$ performance is very close to 750ti

threadcrapping and trolling are not allowed
Markfw900

 

[RussianSensation]

Japan:

Radeon RX 480 (custom) mid July
Radeon RX 470 late July
Radeon RX 460 early August

Those launch pre-order Japanese prices mean nothing.

1st week of launch in Russia, 1070 sold for 35,000 rubles and 1080 for 55,000. Right now 1070 can be purchased for 29,000 and 1080 for 42,000. In Canada, launch 1070s cost $619.99, and now we have cards for $569.99.

In the U.S., 480 will launch at $239-249. AMD should sell more 480s in July than NV will have sold 1070+1080 combined by July 31st. The target market for 470/480 is absolutely huge.

During the peak mining period 2-3 months ago, each 390 SKU was selling 200-300 units every 2-3 days on Newegg US. In our mining thread, many are waiting to unleash on the 480s. Most people buying 1070/1080 are buying just 1. Miners will be buying in 5/10 units at a time.

 

[krumme]

Darkweb:

Muhaha
In yesterdays darkweb news kyle announched ocuk is sitting on aprox 66% of the 480x stock in uk. Amazon.co.uk behold ! Lol.

 

[Shivansps]

Something would have had to go extremely wrong with Polaris if it's only getting 390 performance.





It has 90% of the shaders at 126.66% of the clock speed. Ignoring the differences in memory for time being we should see a ~13% performance improvement over the 390 when we're not bottlenecked by the memory or some other aspect of the hardware that's cut back.

It has half the rops and 130gb/s less, that could easily explain it.

But it has new tech to counter that. What whould be my guess? Probably some wild variations game to game.

 

[IEC]

Japan:

Radeon RX 480 (custom) mid July
Radeon RX 470 late July
Radeon RX 460 early August

Link to primary source so I can verify translation?

Not that it matters, because electronics prices in Japan are stupidly high and unrepresentative of the expected USD price. I imagine people in Japan will simply order cards from the USA given the recently much-improved JPY to USD exchange rate and still save a bundle versus buying domestic.

 

[Mopetar]

Do these two statements even make sense in the same paragraph?

A high voltage chip of this performance level and also drawing only 110W. Seems contradictory.

Just because a card can draw up to 150W doesn't mean that it will always do so. AMD has said that they have 2x+ perf/watt with Polaris so if it has about the same performance as a 390/X, it makes perfect sense that it should draw at most half the power.

What I'm saying is that the 480 could already be using up almost all of its headroom in terms of clock speed for a given voltage as well as how much voltage the card can handle. For example, someone could build a board with 2x 8-pin power connectors, but it's highly unlikely that you could supply 375W of power to Polaris without damaging the chip.

If both of those are true (or close enough to it) it would explain why there are rumors that are stating that it only draws about 110W but it isn't overclocking very well. Obviously either or both of those could be false, but if you assume that both are true (or have some truth to them) then you need an explanation for why both of those rumors would be true and the only way that works is if you assume that most of the Polaris chips (at least the ones being used in reference card designs at any rate) are at their limits or are being artificially limited through bios settings that amount to the same thing.

 

[RussianSensation]

Muhaha
In yesterdays darkweb news kyle announched ocuk is sitting on aprox 66% of the 480x stock in uk. Amazon.co.uk behold ! Lol.

I am honestly shocked how can someone who spent a decade(s) on building his site's reputation online, building a solid community, and gaining trust of consumers/gamers throw it all away in such a short period of time. Even from a business point of view, unless he was delusional that NV will forever have 80%+ market share, he should have thought ahead that should AMD actually return to historical market share, he will forever lose the trust of objective/brand agnostic and AMD-loyal gamers.

How can someone be considered an objective professional after giving a 960 2GB a Gold Award in April of 2015 (!) against a 280X, but then go on to bash and downplay P10 and AMD's new launch strategy?

They guy should literally recommend every AMD GPU for the next 2-3 years after the horrible advice he provided in recent years. Today a 280X is 23% faster than a 960 2GB at 1080p.

Let's not forget, he also gave Gold Awards to the garbage GTX660/660Ti series when HD7870/7950 by far outlasted them and beat them in modern games anyway.

If you start looking back at it, HardOCP has not been objective at all since Kepler generation in 2012.

For crying out loud, they managed to give a $650 780 a Gold Award and that was one of the worst videocards made in the last 5 years.

 

[Yakk]

Looks like the US are also starting to get shipments of 480 cards! And in large quantities, some stores have up to 25x the stock they received of 1080 cards!

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-shipments-hit-us-stores/

Wow, expect some stores not to respect start sales dates too I would guess.

 

[Shivansps]

Just because a card can draw up to 150W doesn't mean that it will always do so. AMD has said that they have 2x+ perf/watt with Polaris so if it has about the same performance as a 390/X, it makes perfect sense that it should draw at most half the power.

What I'm saying is that the 480 could already be using up almost all of its headroom in terms of clock speed for a given voltage as well as how much voltage the card can handle. For example, someone could build a board with 2x 8-pin power connectors, but it's highly unlikely that you could supply 375W of power to Polaris without damaging the chip.

If both of those are true (or close enough to it) it would explain why there are rumors that are stating that it only draws about 110W but it isn't overclocking very well. Obviously either or both of those could be false, but if you assume that both are true (or have some truth to them) then you need an explanation for why both of those rumors would be true and the only way that works is if you assume that most of the Polaris chips (at least the ones being used in reference card designs at any rate) are at their limits or are being artificially limited through bios settings that amount to the same thing.

RX480 could easily use up to 150W with a 6pin(75W+75W), and then it can go out of spec to 200W whiout issues, ill say thats more than enoght for RX480 even with crazy high OC.
So its more than likely its gona get artificially limited on PWM firmware, and people gona think its the 6pin, but it will have nothing to do with it.

 

[Bacon1]

https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/746411638840926208 join the rebellion

 

[Shivansps]

https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/746411638840926208 join the rebellion

Less talking and more results please.

 

[RussianSensation]

Less talking and more results please.

"AMD’s RX 480 is now beginning to hit US stores. In quantities that are allegedly more than 20 times larger than GTX 1080 shipments at launch."

 

[Shivansps]

"AMD’s RX 480 is now beginning to hit US stores. In quantities that are allegedly more than 20 times larger than GTX 1080 shipments at launch."

I was talking about lifting the NDA so we can all see the performance instead of keep seeling hype, i was not thinking about comparing stocks of a mainstream card vs top-of-the-line high end one, thats dumb to start with.

 

[Mopetar]

RX480 could easily use up to 150W with a 6pin(75W+75W), and then it can go out of spec to 200W whiout issues, ill say thats more than enoght for RX480 even with crazy high OC.
So its more than likely its gona get artificially limited on PWM firmware, and people gona think its the 6pin, but it will have nothing to do with it.

Sure, but then you must assume all of the rumors suggesting ~110W power usage are baseless. Either that or the rumors about really poor OC are also baseless. Both don't make sense when taken together unless you assume that the reference 480 chips are already pushed to their limits.

That doesn't mean all 480 are bad or can't OC as AMD may well have kept the worst binned chips for the reference cards and given the third party manufacturers the chips that can handle more of an OC or more voltage.

Also, if the 480 is using most of the 150W TDP, it invalidates AMD's perf/watt claims, especially if you think that the card is only around 390 levels of performance.

 

[Sweepr]

Sure, a single store represents NVIDIA/AMD shipments in the entire US.

Interestingly, yesterday a Microcenter branch in Overland Park Kansas revealed to a customer that they’re receiving a shipment of 100 RX 480 cards on the 28th of June. That’s exactly 25 times as many GTX 1080 cards the same branch had at launch, which was only four.

Some people really don't read anything but the title.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Less talking and more results please.

Yea, a "bit" overdone. It is after all just a piece of electronics, and one that only a small part of the population will even know or care about. It could be funny if done tongue in cheek, but I think it is deadly serious. Ads like that just drive me away from their products.