AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[sze5003]

Good Lord of FUD, WTF did I just read?
VASTLY (twice, Karl, TWICE!!!) superior perf/$ card is somehow... worse value?


Jeez.

If you are comparing "increase", compare it to price increase too .
7970 is what, 100$-ish today? (probably more, but let's be generous).

480 => costs 100$ to upgrade, 49% increase, about 2$ per 1%.
1070 => costs 300 to upgrade, 100% increas, about 3$ per 1%.

Considering that I'm playing at 1080p currently, I was thinking maybe to get a 1440p monitor that's why I thought about the 1070. But I like keeping my cards a long time. I've had this 7970ghz for 4+ years and now it will go to my little brother when I build him a new PC.

Oh and the cheapest 1070 is $430 with tax for my state.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Do we have any indication if these are 6 pin cards being OCed or the 8+6pin versions?

Can't wait for the reviews to end these endless rumors.

 

[sze5003]

Do we have any indication if these are 6 pin cards being OCed or the 8+6pin versions?

Can't wait for the reviews to end these endless rumors.

I've read a few times reference will be 6 pin. Aib models could be 8 pin versions. Wednesday needs to come sooner.

 

[Yakk]

Do we have any indication if these are 6 pin cards being OCed or the 8+6pin versions?

Can't wait for the reviews to end these endless rumors.

So far seems launch are 6 pin, AIB 8 or 8+6 pin. So far Powercolor looks to have their AIB version or around Mid-July.

 

[realibrad]

Good Lord of FUD, WTF did I just read?
VASTLY (twice, Karl, TWICE!!!) superior perf/$ card is somehow... worse value?


Jeez.

If you are comparing "increase", compare it to price increase too .
7970 is what, 100$-ish today? (probably more, but let's be generous).

480 => costs 100$ to upgrade, 49% increase, about 2$ per 1%.
1070 => costs 300 to upgrade, 100% increas, about 3$ per 1%.

What you just did makes no sense.

The 7970 is already bought and is a sunk cost. It should in no way be in the calculation in terms of price. It is simply a baseline of perf.

A 480 does not cost $100 to upgrade, it costs $200. You cannot buy a $100 480. The money spent on the original card does not carry over with a purchase of a new card. Just because the value of the original card is $100 means nothing.

If you want to buy a new 480 or 1070, it will cost 200+ or 400+ and that is how you could base your calculations on.

 

[sze5003]

What you just did makes no sense.

The 7970 is already bought and is a sunk cost. It should in no way be in the calculation in terms of price. It is simply a baseline of perf.

A 480 does not cost $100 to upgrade, it costs $200. You cannot buy a $100 480. The money spent on the original card does not carry over with a purchase of a new card. Just because the value of the original card is $100 means nothing.

If you want to buy a new 480 or 1070, it will cost 200+ or 400+ and that is how you could base your calculations on.

Right because I'm giving this card away anyway. I could sell it but for what $80 to $100? I spend more than that in groceries and gas a week. So to me I'm not considering what I have now at all towards any upgrade.

 

[HurleyBird]

Normally AMD has rock stable drivers at launch, its not like Nvidia does it leaving sli users out of a functional driver for a whole year.

I didn't experience the GCN launch drivers, but the Maxwell 2 launch drivers were downright criminal. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, if AMD fumbles the launch drivers on Polaris they won't be able to brush it off that same way Nvidia can.

 

[Mopetar]

What you just did makes no sense.

It makes sense if you factor in the resale value of the current card. However waiting any longer is going to see the value of a 7000 series card drop significantly as there are going to be new 470 and 460 cards at aggressive prices that devalue the older cards by a lot.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I didn't experience the GCN launch drivers, but the Maxwell 2 launch drivers were downright criminal. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, if AMD fumbles the launch drivers on Polaris they won't be able to brush it off that same way Nvidia can.

I bought a 7970 on release and had zero issues of any kind with the launch drivers. The main issue was that months later amd got the cards to gain a bunch of performance and the goal posts that are constantly on the move switched from gtx680 is faster to amd has horrible drivers because they left all this performance on the table. The real story was amd's drivers are good and just became great.

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[Shivansps]

I'm mostly surprised we get games with consistent performance at all on that landfill-tier CPU.

I'm fairly certain it's responsible for the general lack of 60 FPS games.

Keep in mind that dirty tricks are used on PS4, DOOM for instance, it dinamically scales down both resolution and details on the PS4 to maintain 60 fps, something that is not true on the PC version, so there is no way to do a fair comparison, and DOOM is kinda the best example of that you gona find out there.

But i can put it really simple for you, you like PS4? then buy a console and dont bother me anymore, i gona keep using PC and i like things that actually work here, not things that are adopted just because consoles are underpowered in some way.

 

[tonyfreak215]

Keep in mind that dirty tricks are used on PS4, DOOM for instance, it dinamically scales down both resolution and details on the PS4 to maintain 60 fps, something that is not true on the PC version, so there is no way to do a fair comparison, and DOOM is kinda the best example of that you gona find out there.

Forza does the same thing.

 

[Bacon1]

images removed

You left off the other dozen pictures

All from here: http://imgur.com/a/3iTkS (lots more pictures of the XFX card / unboxing)

 

[RussianSensation]

Good Lord of FUD, WTF did I just read?
VASTLY (twice, Karl, TWICE!!!) superior perf/$ card is somehow... worse value?


Jeez.

If you are comparing "increase", compare it to price increase too .
7970 is what, 100$-ish today? (probably more, but let's be generous).

480 => costs 100$ to upgrade, 49% increase, about 2$ per 1%.
1070 => costs 300 to upgrade, 100% increas, about 3$ per 1%.

Way to misconstrue my post. I never said 1070 is a better value than RX 480 overall. I am simply responding to his specific case. He is going to pass down his card to his brother which means $100 in resale value cannot be used to make 480 a $100 card. He also mentioned he wanted to get a 1440p monitor. In that case, the extra performance to get him to 60 FPS at 1440p on a 1070 has to be counted. Thirdly, if he passes on his 1070 on his next upgrade, his brother will once again have a bigger upgrade from his 7970Ghz. There is non-monetary value in making someone you care about happy that price/performance metric doesn't measure. In his particular situation, I would choose 1070. Although, another alternative is to buy an RX 480, pass the 7970 to his brother, buy a 2017 GPU in 12 months, pass on the 480, sell the 7970. Both strategies work.

My response to him is in no way supposed to be used to draw conclusions on a stand-alone $229 480 against a stand-alone $400-450 1070. Similarly, if someone is building a new rig for $1000-1200 and going with a 480, the price/performance should be calculated differently when considering 480 vs. 1070. Since it's impossible to keep track of every poster's unique case (full system build vs. upgrade vs. passing down old parts to loved ones), for simplicity's sake using stand-alone price/performance is the default choice, but not the only way to calculate price/performance.

If you read my other comments, you would have also seen that I emphasized 480's Ethereum mining capability, which completely tilts the scales in its favour over the 1070.

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I am not too happy that AMD isn't going to have AIB cards and 4GB $199 cards on June 29th. Seems both AMD and NV rushed the 1st gen 14/16nm launch. It also seems AMD has no response whatsoever once NV releases 1050/1060 cards. Forfeiting the entire $300+ market to NV for 6-9 months is going to give NV close to 100% market share in those segments.

 

[Shivansps]

His point is also partially correct.

AMD is on GCN for a long time, so they continue to support older GCN cards in their game optimized drivers. The effect cascades down.

This is the reason why my old 7950 (280) is still a stellar 1080p performer. OC (40% overclock, no slouch) it beats the likes of the gtx 960 OC. Supposedly newer tech.

Until AMD changes the base architecture, their game optimizations as well as console developers optimizing their game engines for GCN, PC gamers on GCN cards will see continued improvement & support.

With Polaris and Vega still being GCN, we can expect this trend to continue. Especially so that all the major new consoles are again, GCN based.

It's a combination effect.

The combination effect whould be true under DX12 only, not under DX11, there drivers matters much, much more, im not gona say that consoles support does not matter at all, because specific shaders gona have an effect, althought you can fix that as well on drivers.

We just cant forget that the HD7800 series are still sold today as R7 370, and as a result of that, they still get priority driver optimizations. Compared to GTX600 series that are long forgotten, that what makes the difference, hell we know that old Nvidia cards start to leg behind the newer Nvidia cards as well because of this.

It whould be interesting to see how AMD will handle old GCN on drivers after Polaris launch, AMD today sells GCN 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2... at the same time, as a result of that they all get priority updates.
Polaris will be GCN 2.0 i think, reemplacing all old GCN cards, so we cant be sure about what they gona do with the old GCN, neither what they gona do after Polaris get reeplaced. That just guesswork.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Way to misconstrue my post. I never said 1070 is a better value than RX 480 overall. I am simply responding to his specific case. He is going to pass down his card to his brother which means $100 in resale value cannot be used to make 480 a $100 card. He also mentioned he wanted to get a 1440p monitor. In that case, the extra performance to get him to 60 FPS at 1440p on a 1070 has to be counted. Thirdly, if he passes on his 1070 on his next upgrade, his brother will once again have a bigger upgrade from his 7970Ghz. There is non-monetary value in making someone you care about happy that price/performance metric doesn't measure. In his particular situation, I would choose 1070. Although, another alternative is to buy an RX 480, pass the 7970 to his brother, buy a 2017 GPU in 12 months, pass on the 480, sell the 7970. Both strategies work.

My response to him is in no way supposed to be used to draw conclusions on a stand-alone $229 480 against a stand-alone $400-450 1070. Similarly, if someone is building a new rig for $1000-1200 and going with a 480, the price/performance should be calculated differently when considering 480 vs. 1070. Since it's impossible to keep track of every poster's unique case (full system build vs. upgrade vs. passing down old parts to loved ones), for simplicity's sake using stand-alone price/performance is the default choice, but not the only way to calculate price/performance.

If you read my other comments, you would have also seen that I emphasized 480's Ethereum mining capability, which completely tilts the scales in its favour over the 1070.

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I am not too happy that AMD isn't going to have AIB cards and 4GB $199 cards on June 29th. Seems both AMD and NV rushed the 1st gen 14/16nm launch. It also seems AMD has no response whatsoever once NV releases 1050/1060 cards. Forfeiting the entire $300+ market to NV for 6-9 months is going to give NV close to 100% market share in those segments.

The thing about the gtx1070 and 1080 is that they are not targeting performance levels well. In my opinion the gtx1070 needs to be about 20% faster to be the perfect 1440p cards and the 1080 needs to be around 50% faster to be the 4k card. They just aren't good buys but they are the fastest thing around so people are buying them. Big Pascal and Vega are going to be what gets gpu performance where it needs to be for the 4k push.

So they may sell (what little stock they have) but only to people that need the fastest for fastest's sake. Everyone else is waiting for the true high end which is obviously coming in about 6 months.

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[maddie]

You left off the other dozen pictures

All from here: http://imgur.com/a/3iTkS (lots more pictures of the XFX card / unboxing)

So low power and low to mid temps.

Why were these not being shown with the other ones?

 

[maddie]

I am not too happy that AMD isn't going to have AIB cards and 4GB $199 cards on June 29th. Seems both AMD and NV rushed the 1st gen 14/16nm launch. It also seems AMD has no response whatsoever once NV releases 1050/1060 cards. Forfeiting the entire $300+ market to NV for 6-9 months is going to give NV close to 100% market share in those segments.

OK, I'm officially confused.

 

[medi04]

I keep hearing about Pascal being sold out... and that surprises me.
As far as Germany goes, they are in stock for weeks (first at shameless 499/789€, now the latter is 744€ I think, still way beyond reasonable).

What you just did makes no sense.

It is a lovely spin and twist (many wouldn't even get what's wrong).

480 is a MUCH higher perf/$ card than 1070.

That's, in fact, end of the story. (or it should have been, at least)

But if you insist on "diffing" vs some "base card, do it with price too, not to get pure FUD results.

 

[Sweepr]

Here's from another source, now at stock with review drivers.

Third source for >87° C under load. Second image is a bit scary, GPU-Z error?

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4633576998

0.8.9 should support Polaris:

TechPowerUp released the latest version of GPU-Z, the popular graphics subsystem information and diagnostic utility. Version 0.8.9 adds support for AMD "Polaris" GPUs, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, reading overclock on GTX 1080 / GTX 1070; and BIOS extraction support for the GTX 1080 / GTX 1070. It also adds support for NVIDIA Quadro M2000 and AMD E8860. Version 0.8.9 also addresses a few key bugs, such as memory monitoring sometimes resetting when the usage is above 4 GB, doubling of default memory clock on GeForce GT 220 / GT 240, and cards with GDDR5X memory, such as the GTX 1080; and a few UI bugs.

Ps: #1 and 3 are not CrossFire, and the source (Xfastest) doesn't mention anything like that for #2 either.

 

[boozzer]

OK, I'm officially confused.

RS is thinking that 1060/ti will perform better than 480 for around 300$.

 

[Elixer]

damn, these driver instability rumors really make me wanna buy nVidia

seems like AMD have messed up again

I suppose you haven't noticed the constant stream of driver issues on the Nvidia side either?

I got both AMD & nvidia GPUs, they all have issues at some point, and they usually both try to fix issues by the next release date.

In this case, it could have been an unstable system to begin with, or many other factors involved, you can't just look at one example and then spread FUD about it without looking like a troll.
*edit, and looking at http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38318739&postcount=424 you are posting crossfire results... making it sound like it is a single card.
That last part fits it seems.

 

[IEC]

Third source for >87° C under load. Second image is a bit scary, GPU-Z error?

0.8.9 should support Polaris:

Why are you posting cards in a Crossfire configuration and implying it is representative of a single card?

 

[agfkfhahddhdn]

I suppose you haven't noticed the constant stream of driver issues on the Nvidia side either?

I got both AMD & nvidia GPUs, they all have issues at some point, and they usually both try to fix issues by the next release date.

In this case, it could have been an unstable system to begin with, or many other factors involved, you can't just look at one example and then spread FUD about it without looking like a troll.

There was a dude talking in another forum claiming that every AMD card he ever used gave him near-constant BSODs. And he refused to understand that wasn't normal behavior for AMD drivers, even at their absolute worst, and there was clearly something else wrong with his setup that was causing the crashes.

 

[boozzer]

Why are you posting cards in a Crossfire configuration and implying it is representative of a single card?

because fud.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

because fud.

+1 :thumbsup: