AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

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3DVagabond

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Wouldn't be surprised to see a Sapphire triple-fan cooler, Radeon Fury style for a RX480. That would probably beat the Sapphire Fury's performance and noise levels, which would basically set it in a class of its own as best out of the box air cooled card.



Don't think it'll need a 3 fan. This should be more than adequate.
 

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For those of us who bought a 290 at $210 or a 290x at $260, this is a bit underwhelming. But maybe it just goes to show what incredible value those cards offered. I think it's great that AMD is offering what looks like a fantastic card at $199. I guess it's just not meant for people like me who jumped on an all-time great deal back in early 2015.

AMD's lack of marketing skill/dollars caused drastic reductions (that and I think they had a glut of inventory due to mining crash). That truly was a great deal.

People were still recommending 970/980 though because of reviews making it seem like they were actually faster than the Hawaii cards. It wasn't until the 300 series launched and we quit seeing reference 290/X benches in most reviews that people figured out that Hawaii was indeed as fast or faster.

Seems strange considering by then I don't think there were any reference cards available any more. Maybe the odd one or two could be found for mining. But they were pretty much gone burger. Hell, you still see some sites list 290's instead of 390's on their graphs today. lol
 

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I'm surprised to see so many advocates for blower coolers. I'm a layman what it comes to GPUs, but based on my personal experience, blower coolers are awful.

In 2012, I bought an EVGA GeForce 660 Superclocked card with a blower cooler, and by now it is causing me all kinds of problems, many of which probably happen because it overheats. I expect that the crappy blower cooler on it is a large reason for why that card is so faulty.

After that GPU crashes my system (often when it does so, a hear a sound as if a vacuum cleaner turned on inside of my PC; I think the sound originates from that GPU's blower fan becoming mega screwed up), which it does all the time, it is always very hot to the touch.

Now I have to buy a new GPU since that old one is defective. The RX 480 would be a good candidate, except that the blower cooler on is to me an instant red flag that screams, "This is crap, don't buy it." I like my hardware to last as long as possible, and blower coolers are counter-productive to that goal IMO. I expect that if I were to buy an RX 480 with a blower cooler, I'd probably have to replace that in a few years too.

AMD's designers should have known that blower coolers are bad and therefore decided instead to put something better on those cards. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't have, unless they wanted to be cheap and cut corners on quality.

what a lot of people don't realize is that whatever temps will be in the launch day reviews are the best case scenario

blowers get dusty real quick and their cooling performance goes down. without taking the cooler apart (which is something 99% of people won't do), you can only do so much (and let's be honest, a lot of people won't even do any basic cleaning).

as a result, after a couple of months we could have a lot of RX 480's that are permanently hot and underclocked. just saying.
 
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Polish magazine CDA was released today with card review, some info:

RX480 1266MHz 8000Mhz 8gb ref
970 Zotac Amp Omega
Tested on I5 6600K

"Radeon is slighty slower than custom oc'd 970 but beats stock 970"

"Reference model we had in test was pretty bad in terms of oc, it overclocked by 5%"

R480 - Zotac 970

Metro:Last Light Redux:

1920 45 49
2560 26 28
3840 10 12

Witcher 3 high:

1920 50 52
2560 37 39
3840 22 23

World of Tanks high:

1920 95 107
2560 78 91
3840 39 43

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5296153&postcount=928

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5296172&postcount=932

oh well, it seems that a 2 year old mainstream card (GTX 970) spanks the overhyped RX 480 in nearly every scenario. So much for >R9 390X performance.
 
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Erenhardt

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what a lot of people don't realize is that whatever temps will be in the launch day reviews are the best case scenario

blowers get dusty real quick and their cooling performance goes down. without taking the cooler apart (which is something 99% of people won't do), you can only do so much (and let's be honest, a lot of people won't even do any basic cleaning).

as a result, after a couple of months we could have a lot of RX 480's that are permanently hot and underclocked. just saying.

LOL WUT?!
Get this crap out of this thread. You can discuss blower coolers in "Cases&Cooling" subforum.
Also, it is mind blowing that someone is suggesting $100 premium NV FE cooler is somehow performing better when clogged with cats fur, yet it is throttling in mint condition on open test bench in AC room.

reported.
 

ozzy702

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LOL WUT?!
Get this crap out of this thread. You can discuss blower coolers in "Cases&Cooling" subforum.
Also, it is mind blowing that someone is suggesting $100 premium NV FE cooler is somehow performing better when clogged with cats fur, yet it is throttling in mint condition on open test bench in AC room.

reported.

Yup. Blowers are terrible for a number of reasons regardless of which company is making them. He certainly did come off with an NVIDIA bias on the last two posts.

I'm looking forward to selling my GTX780 (currently up for sale) and replacing it with an AIB 480 as a stopgap measure for the enthusiast cards being released next year. I kick myself over and over again with the purchase of that turd that has simply not aged well at all.
 

coercitiv

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what a lot of people don't realize is that whatever temps will be in the launch day reviews are the best case scenario

blowers get dusty real quick and their cooling performance goes down. without taking the cooler apart (which is something 99% of people won't do), you can only do so much (and let's be honest, a lot of people won't even do any basic cleaning).

as a result, after a couple of months we could have a lot of RX 480's that are permanently hot and underclocked. just saying.
This is getting ridiculous.

Want me to give you the perfect reason to buy a blower card for those 99% people who never open their PC to do even basic cleaning? Position a vacuum cleaner at the exit ventilation of your card and suck the dust out. In a few seconds you do 80% of the cleaning with 20% of the effort.

Is the blower fan overall better? NO, but it does present a set of unique advantages that makes it worthwhile as an option for specific builds.

So let's recap:
1. You don't like unstable drivers, so you don't like RX 480.
2. People don't clean their PCs, so you don't like the RX 480.

Is there anything you do like about the RX 480, preferably due to an actual characteristic of the product?
 

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DisarmedDespot

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Cheapest gtx 970 on newegg is 265$ after 2 years.
This gpu is priced at 200$(4GB version for apples to apples price comparison)at launch.

Anyone know anything about the Zotac GTX 970 AMP! Omega? That's the version they tested. If they OC'd the balls off it, that'd explain it beating the 480. OC headroom seems poor, but I'll wait for other reviews.
 

Killrose

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I doubt any review sites have had the official bios sent to them yet. Don't they usually get them a few hours before actual launch? I know its been mentioned that this occurs by reviewers sometimes
 
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http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5296153&postcount=928

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5296172&postcount=932

oh well, it seems that a 2 year old mainstream card (GTX 970) spanks the overhyped RX 480 in nearly every scenario. So much for >R9 390X performance.



970 OC is Zotac AMP model.

In those 3 particular games, even if the RX 480 = 390X, a 390X would actually not match a GTX 980 or OC 970 performance.

Here you can see, even a reference 970 wrecks a R290X. Basically even a 390X has no chance against an OC 970.

 
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Anyone know anything about the Zotac GTX 970 AMP! Omega? That's the version they tested. If they OC'd the balls off it, that'd explain it beating the 480. OC headroom seems poor, but I'll wait for other reviews.

An OC 970 will even beat a GTX 980.

For perspective.

These 3 game benches looks like RX 480 ~ 390X performance.
 

3DVagabond

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what a lot of people don't realize is that whatever temps will be in the launch day reviews are the best case scenario

blowers get dusty real quick and their cooling performance goes down. without taking the cooler apart (which is something 99% of people won't do), you can only do so much (and let's be honest, a lot of people won't even do any basic cleaning).

as a result, after a couple of months we could have a lot of RX 480's that are permanently hot and underclocked. just saying.

Do the fairies keep the custom cooler designs clean?
 

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How can they possibly ship a high volume product with only 5% frequency overhead? A bit in the wrong side of the bell curve and the product is DOA.
 
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How can they possibly ship a high volume product with only 5% frequency overhead? A bit in the wrong side of the bell curve and the product is DOA.

Does seem strange, considering a perf/w part with relatively low clocks on FinFet, can't even do a 5% OC.

Not long to go though, see what it does with +vcore in proper reviews.
 

Hitman928

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Their firestrike extreme scores seem incredibly low for all the cards listed. They must mean ultra and not extreme. Even then they seem a bit low for overclocked cards, unless they're giving the overall score instead of the graphics score?
 

mohit9206

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For those of us who bought a 290 at $210 or a 290x at $260, this is a bit underwhelming. But maybe it just goes to show what incredible value those cards offered. I think it's great that AMD is offering what looks like a fantastic card at $199. I guess it's just not meant for people like me who jumped on an all-time great deal back in early 2015.
Yeah 290 was an incredible deal. Not only that but rx480 gpu is not meant for people who like to upgrade their cards every year. So if you bought a $250 290 in 2015, you would normally keep it for 2-3 years like 95% of people do and buy the next $250 card in 2018 which should be a good upgrade from 290.
People who buy new card every year would obviously be disappointed because there just isn't the performance jump in one year anymore as it used to be 10 years ago.
 

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Yeah 290 was an incredible deal. Not only that but rx480 gpu is not meant for people who like to upgrade their cards every year. So if you bought a $250 290 in 2015, you would normally keep it for 2-3 years like 95% of people do and buy the next $250 card in 2018 which should be a good upgrade from 290.
People who buy new card every year would obviously be disappointed because there just isn't the performance jump in one year anymore as it used to be 10 years ago.
Depends on the buyer, if he's going CF then the 8GB 480s will be much better, quieter & cooler than CFed 290s though moving away from 390 will definitely be a sidegrade. So unless you've bought the 290/x at a firesale, the 8GB 480 variants would definitely be something worth upgrading to.
 
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