AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[Silverforce11]

it's barely OCed

if a miniscule increase in performance is worth a 2 year wait, well, there might be a bit of bias on your part

Would an OC 970 beat a 390X in those 3 games?

I already linked benches for World of Tanks that show a stock 970 beating 290X by a fair margin.

Here's The Witcher 3:

390X loses to 980, a bit faster than stock 970. Do you think an OC 970 is going to beat a 390X? Yes it will.

All the more credible leaks so far say the same thing, ~390X performance.

If it can't overclock to 1.4ghz, that's the major letdown IMO.

But 390X performance class for $199/$229 is good.

You are trying to hard to make it seem like a bad GPU.. maybe price isn't a factor where you are from. In that case, why bother with mainstream cards? Go pay $699 for a 1080.

ps. A 970 could always OC to beat a 980 and by extension, a 390X. This is what made it a great GPU for the price.

 

[AtenRa]

it's barely OCed

if a miniscule increase in performance is worth a 2 year wait, well, there might be a bit of bias on your part

Did you say the same for the GTX 960 over the HD7970 ???
Was it worth it to wait for 2 years for a slower card vs the HD7970 ??? :whiste:

From GTX 960 2GB review
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_960_Gaming/images/perfrel_1920.gif

I hope you understand now that comparing a $330 GTX 970 to a $199 RX 480 in that context is not apples to apples.

 

[lyssword]

I thought it was already settled that 480x was around 390/970 performance. what are the overclocks is the question now

 

[AtenRa]

For those that have a problem with blowers, i guess they will have the same problems with the GTX 1060 as well

http://www.techpowerup.com/223696/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-surfaces-in-hong-kong-market

Thread crapping and off-topic is not allowed here.
This thread is about the R480, not the GTX 1060
Markfw900

 

[Thala]

if a miniscule increase in performance is worth a 2 year wait, well, there might be a bit of bias on your part

Did it ever came to your attention that the successor to GTX 970 is GTX 1070...a $400 part mind you? You are looking in the completely wrong price bracket if you want to upgrade from GTX 970.

 

[PhonakV30]

dunno what did he expect? it's going to replace with 380X with performance 390 at low price.8GB , 110W.

 

[mohit9206]

Depends on the buyer, if he's going CF then the 8GB 480s will be much better, quieter & cooler than CFed 290s though moving away from 390 will definitely be a sidegrade. So unless you've bought the 290/x at a firesale, the 8GB 480 variants would definitely be something worth upgrading to.

Why would you crossfire 2 RX480s when a single 1070 8gb will give similar perf and will be much cooler,quieter and consume less power.Who would deal with hassle of Crossfire when developers hardly ever optimize games for dual amd cards.

 

[R0H1T]

Why would you crossfire 2 RX480s when a single 1070 8gb will give similar perf and will be much cooler,quieter and consume less power.Who would deal with hassle of Crossfire when developers hardly ever optimize games for dual amd cards.

CFed 480s will be closer to 1080, as AMD said IIRC during the preview/launch, also they'll have similar perf/W though you're right as the single 1070 will be cooler & quieter. The perf/$ will still be massively in favor of AMD, till the time they release a direct competitor to 1070 or 1080.

 

[Silverforce11]

For reference, since that Polish RX 480 review used the Zotac 970 AMP card:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/71...me-core-edition-video-card-review/index7.html

It's faster than a 980?

 

[mohit9206]

CFed 480s will be closer to 1080, as AMD said IIRC during the preview/launch, also they'll have similar perf/W though you're right as the single 1070 will be cooler & quieter. The perf/$ will still be massively in favor of AMD, till the time they release a direct competitor to 1070 or 1080.

That was only in AOTS test.Also how many games are optimized for Crossfire?If someone were to decide between two 2 RX480 or single 1070 ,i would always recommend single card. But maybe two RX470's might be better buy than single 1070 but again most experts say better to buy one higher end card than two lower end ones.

 

[selni]

For reference, since that Polish RX 480 review used the Zotac 970 AMP card:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/71...me-core-edition-video-card-review/index7.html

It's faster than a 980?

Than a 980 reference sure - there could be a pretty big difference between maxwell reference and custom cards due to how well it clocked and the reference blower being at best adequate.

 

[agfkfhahddhdn]

Yup. Blowers are terrible for a number of reasons regardless of which company is making them. He certainly did come off with an NVIDIA bias on the last two posts.

I'm looking forward to selling my GTX780 (currently up for sale) and replacing it with an AIB 480 as a stopgap measure for the enthusiast cards being released next year. I kick myself over and over again with the purchase of that turd that has simply not aged well at all.

Seems like the best move at this stage. I could use a new card now but I don't think I can justify spending even $400-$450 on a 1070 when you know the real super high-end stuff is probably 6-8 months away.

This is getting ridiculous.

Want me to give you the perfect reason to buy a blower card for those 99% people who never open their PC to do even basic cleaning? Position a vacuum cleaner at the exit ventilation of your card and suck the dust out. In a few seconds you do 80% of the cleaning with 20% of the effort.

Is the blower fan overall better? NO, but it does present a set of unique advantages that makes it worthwhile as an option for specific builds.

So let's recap:
1. You don't like unstable drivers, so you don't like RX 480.
2. People don't clean their PCs, so you don't like the RX 480.

Is there anything you do like about the RX 480, preferably due to an actual characteristic of the product?

Prattling on about AMD's supposedly unstable drivers should be bannable at this point, it's just a blatant lie and fanboyism.

 

[boozzer]

guys, I believe we are all getting trolled? he is not here to discuss, he will not acknowledge your points, he will repeat his inane points, and he will continue to spam them no matter how you counter them because he will ignore all your points. it is pro level work.

 

[RussianSensation]

Did it ever came to your attention that the successor to GTX 970 is GTX 1070...a $400 part mind you? You are looking in the completely wrong price bracket if you want to upgrade from GTX 970.

They are doing it on purpose. It's just a diversion tactic. Should we compare $399-449 1070 to after-market 980Ti cards that can be found on Newegg for $410-420 and make a claim that NV hasn't moved price/performance in a year?

There are clearly biased gamers or NV paid marketing or gamers who don't understand tech upgrade paths -- all trying to do whatever possible to crap on the 480.

One more time, repeat after me:

Mainstream gamer:
760->960: 11-15% performance increase

In a similar timeframe:
960-> RX480: 50-70% performance increase

Mainstream/performance gamers would never buy a $329 390/970 as that falls out of their budget. In fact, many on this very forum recommended 960 over 280X/380X/290, completely disregarding price/performance or longevity.

Now they are saying 480 isn't a good upgrade over 390/390X/970/980? If you didn't recommend those cards over a 960 in every 960 thread since January 2015, you are either shilling or trolling.

They are also purposely ignoring worldwide prices. R9 390/390X/970 never sold for $229-239 MSRP without rebates. After-market 290/290X dropping to $200/250 in the US was a deal of a lifetime. But again, someone like me can use that to discredit the 480 since I recommended those cards all the time. Someone who never or rarely recommended those deals over 960/970/980 but randomly starts spamming the thread that RX480 isn't a good upgrade over 290/290X/390/970 clearly isn't objective.

For all Hawaii owners, how in the world did you expect RX480 to be a real upgrade over your 290/290X? That's like asking a 7850 to deliver 50-60% more performance over the 6950-6970. Get real and start learning GPU history and understanding what SKUs / product lines go where. RX480 was never ever designed to be a Hawaii upgrade.

Only HardOCP or someone similarly delusional would believe AMD upgraded Card A (390/390X) with Card B (480) across generations with no material performance gains. It's actually insulting people on a tech forum type this nonsense and believe it. What's next? Vega is a Volta competitor?

The doom and gloomers projecting no architectural improvements and how RX 480 is a fail since is a fail 390/390X "successor" are going to eat crow IF RX 480 is only a 32 ROP card. This 1 spec alone will outright embarrass the entire HardOCP / forum community and every person that tried to compare RX 480 to 970/980/390/390X and kept calling it a fail. It's going to be even more hilarious seeing Kyle desperately trying to justify his uninformed rants when AMD launches RX 490 cards as 390/390X replacements.

Look at the product names
GTX760 -> 960
GTX 970 -> 1070
GTX 980 -> 1080

R9 380 -> RX 480
R9 390 -> RX 490

Why is RX480 a 390/390X replacement?

Stop with the FUD.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

So that reviewer was using older drivers and nvidia games?

I guess wait for benchmarks. Though if it wants to do VR, it'll at least be 970 performance for 200 bucks. Don't magically expect it to be somehow 1070 performance for 200 USD lol.

 

[agfkfhahddhdn]

So that reviewer was using older drivers and nvidia games?

I guess wait for benchmarks. Though if it wants to do VR, it'll at least be 970 performance for 200 bucks. Don't magically expect it to be somehow 1070 performance for 200 USD lol.

I wonder if part of the reason for the lengthy NDA is so they have as much time as possible to fine-tune the release drivers.

 

[zinfamous]

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5296153&postcount=928

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5296172&postcount=932

oh well, it seems that a 2 year old mainstream card (GTX 970) spanks the overhyped RX 480 in nearly every scenario. So much for >R9 390X performance.

the data you just posted doesn't even say that.

How much does nVidia pay you for these posts, or is it even more pathetic--you're some kind of "fan" of a silicon-chip printing company?

sad.

Best that could be hoped in this thread is for rumor and innuendo to be taken as pure speculation and remain as objective as possible. But then there are little people like you making baseless claims and never responding when being called out. Smacks of shilling.


Insulting others is not allowed here. This is a technical forum
Markfw900

 

[zinfamous]

For those that have a problem with blowers, i guess they will have the same problems with the GTX 1060 as well

http://www.techpowerup.com/223696/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-surfaces-in-hong-kong-market

Thread crapping and off-topic is not allowed here.
This thread is about the R480, not the GTX 1060
Markfw900

but that one has real value added because it has pretty lines and a nice black on silver aesthetic. It creates more cooling and better horsepower.

 

[Face2Face]

For reference, since that Polish RX 480 review used the Zotac 970 AMP card:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/71...me-core-edition-video-card-review/index7.html

It's faster than a 980?

Looks like they were using the Alpha Omega, not the Extreme.

Extreme:
Base: 1228 MHz
Boost: 1380 MHz

Omega
Base: 1152 MHz
Boost: 1304 MHz

 

[PeckingOrder]

Looks like they were using the Alpha Omega, not the Extreme.

Extreme:
Base: 1228 MHz
Boost: 1380 MHz

Omega
Base: 1152 MHz
Boost: 1304 MHz

exactly, their card is barely OCed. RX 480 @ stock will be lucky to match GTX 970 @ stock

 

[crisium]

exactly, their card is barely OCed. RX 480 @ stock will be lucky to match GTX 970 @ stock

Well, you can't be lucky most of the time. Good luck with your prediction of stock reference 970 beating stock reference 480 in the majority of tests.

 

[lukart]

For those that have a problem with blowers, i guess they will have the same problems with the GTX 1060 as well

http://www.techpowerup.com/223696/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-surfaces-in-hong-kong-market

Thread crapping and off-topic is not allowed here.
This thread is about the R480, not the GTX 1060
Markfw900

July

 

[khon]

exactly, their card is barely OCed. RX 480 @ stock will be lucky to match GTX 970 @ stock

We will know tomorrow, but since a stock R9 390 @ stock beats a GTX 970 @ stock, I would be quite surprised if an RX 480 @ stock can't do the same.

 

[xthetenth]

For reference, since that Polish RX 480 review used the Zotac 970 AMP card:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/71...me-core-edition-video-card-review/index7.html

It's faster than a 980?

Is the amp omega the same as the extreme core edition?

 

[Silverforce11]

Looks like they were using the Alpha Omega, not the Extreme.

Extreme:
Base: 1228 MHz
Boost: 1380 MHz

Omega
Base: 1152 MHz
Boost: 1304 MHz

Oh okay, instead of the paper spec boost clocks (should be known that NV's paper clocks don't match their real gaming clocks. Either way, 76mhz differential resulting instead of an OC 970 that BEATS at 980 in many of the games tested, it'll probably trade blows with a 980 then.

My point is they tested 3 games which runs better on NV, where a 390X would struggle vs a 980 anyway, and tested it against an OC 970 that is about 980 performance... so the only conclusion from this is that the RX 480 is actually performing around 390X levels. Whether that's better than 980 perf class or not, depends on the games.